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YACT: Old lady crossed double yellow and hit me...

Gerbil333

Diamond Member
On Saturday I was taking my girlfriend somewhere. I pulled up to an intersection at which I needed to get into the left turn lane, but there were double yellow lines, so I had to wait behind the cars in front of me, which were stopped at a stop light. I came to a complete stop, shifted to first gear, had my left blinker on, and as soon as I was past the double yellow lines, I looked to my left and then pulled into the left turn lane.

About 1.5 seconds later -- with my entire car already in the left turn lane, but still at about a 20 degree angle -- I heard a crash. I hardly felt it, but I put the car in neutral, pulled the E-brake, and turned on my hazard lights. An old lady had hit me, and her vehicle wasn't even in the lane :| It was half in the left turn lane, and half in the lane going the opposite direction! I rolled down my window because she was trying to talk. The first thing she said was, "You pulled out in front of me!!"

That was probably confusing. Here's a diagram. My car = red, old lady = grey, stopped cars = yellow.

I didn't get any tickets. However, the officer did say, "one witness was unsure if you used your turn signal." :| He told me that since I insisted that I had used my signal, and the witness was unsure, he wouldn't hand out a ticket, although he could have. I know I did, and so did my girlfriend.

Now for the interesting parts:

-Right before she was allowed to leave, the old lady said to my girlfriend and me, "I'm diabetic, and I've been sucking on a cough drop to maintain my sugar. I need to go home and eat dinner or I'll pass out."

WHY WERE YOU DRIVING THEN!?

-She kept trying to discuss the accident with me. I finally told her that we're not supposed to discuss the incident. Her response was, "[chuckling]I don't care about that.

-Right after she had hit my door, she backed up, and then pulled up right next to my car. She wanted us to both move our car's to a parking lot across the street. I told her that we were supposed to leave our cars there, but she kept moving...

-The old lady was the police officer's neighbor. Shouldn't he have called in someone else?

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Everyone has been telling me that the old lady was at fault, not me. I'm getting nervous though, because neither of us recieved any tickets, we both have State Farm Insurance, and the lady kept telling the officer that it was my fault. They'll probably make each person pay for the damages, and my rates will get jacked up (I won't even be 18 for another couple months...).

Comments?
 
Originally posted by: Gerbil333
as soon as I was past the double yellow lines, I looked to my left and then pulled into the left turn lane.

What did you see when you looked left?

From your diagram it looks like you didn't check your left blind spot before changing lanes...

The fact that you were hit on the side and not from behind suggests that your car wasn't at a stop.

She wanted us to both move our car's to a parking lot across the street. I told her that we were supposed to leave our cars there, but she kept moving...

She was right. After an accident - you should get out of the flow of traffic if you can. You can and should be cited for blocking traffic after an accident if your car is capable of pulling off the road.

In the future, avoid angling your car prior to making a left-turn. Always let someone hit you from behind - in nearly every case, they will automatically be at-fault.

Remember that anytime you make a turn - it's your responsibility to make sure that traffic is clear. If you're hit from ANY direction other than from behind, chances are that you'll be found at least partially at-fault for impeding the flow of traffic.
 
From what it looks like, you might end up being at fault in the accident for failure to yield (she technically she was in the lane first and had the right of way). I had this happen to me a few years ago, except I would have been the grey car), and the person who turned into me was found to be at fault.

Still, you might want to see what the police report said, as that will play a part in how State Farm determines who's at fault (and gets to have higher rates).
 
Well the other possibility is that she really REALLY didn't want you to get in front of her and so she tried to "force her way into the lane" even if she needed to cross the double yellow to get around you.

That sounds more like something an ol' fogey would do since their reaction time is crappy and she was inattentive to the fact that you were already out into the lane. I guess you could almost say that you were hit from behind. But then again, some states have a blanket "It's your fault if you're making a left" clause.
 
Originally posted by: KokomoGST
Well the other possibility is that she really REALLY didn't want you to get in front of her and so she tried to "force her way into the lane" even if she needed to cross the double yellow to get around you.

That sounds more like something an ol' fogey would do since their reaction time is crappy and she was inattentive to the fact that you were already out into the lane. I guess you could almost say that you were hit from behind. But then again, some states have a blanket "It's your fault if you're making a left" clause.

More reason to NEVER angle your car when making a left turn.

If you're ever in an accident - it's ALWAYS "best" to be rear-ended. The only way someone can rear-end you is by NOT paying attention - there is little you can do to avoid it from happening.
 
You were partially at fault, but the majority of it should be hers. You are partially because you should have looked first to see if anyone was heading for where you were going to go. She should be the one to pay, but I think you'll end up with at least part of the damages.

And as for the diabetes part, you probably don't know anyone who has it and that is why you are making a fool of yourself by complaining about it. Blood sugar can be a very volitile thing. It can take less than an hour to go from being in good shape to near a coma. Lots of people with diabetes have set schedules where they eat in order to maintain their sugar levels. By getting in the accident, it probably upset her schedule. I still don't think this is any excuse for anything and she should take responsibility, but I thought I would let you know.
 
Get a lawyer. I'm sure that BS the old lady said about the cough drop can easily render her defense to nil. If she isn't fit to drive, she shouldn't and isn't there a law for that?
 
I still not entirely sure what happened and I'd have to see a picture of the actually road to make a judgement. But from what you've said, I think its her fault. It sounds like you waited until the turning lane was available (i.e. traffic moved forward enough that you could use the actual, legally painted turn lane, as opposed to just driving through an oncoming traffic lane that eventually became the turn lane.) and then turned into it, while she decided to jump the gun and drive through the oncoming traffic lane to cut into the turning lane.

I say she's at fault because she wasn't even an actual fvcking lane at the time. But I'm sure in a court of law they'll award her 10,000 for being an old woman and raise your insurance rates.
 
It sounds like she didn't want to wait in the line of traffic to get into the left turn lane herself? Even though I do this sometimes, I'm pretty sure it's illegal and it's also dangerous for obvious reasons. I'm always very careful when I attempt this maneuver because you never know when someone might try the same thing.
 
Originally posted by: Jzero
It sounds like she didn't want to wait in the line of traffic to get into the left turn lane herself? Even though I do this sometimes, I'm pretty sure it's illegal and it's also dangerous for obvious reasons. I'm always very careful when I attempt this maneuver because you never know when someone might try the same thing.

Affirmative. That was always my feeling. I know I'm probably not suppose to be doing it so I'm extra careful.
 
Wow, that's an awesoem diagram. And what she did is a pretty common thing, yet it's still a violation I believe. For the future - always be careful when switching into a left turn only lane, because a lot of people switch early.
 
That sucks, if it happened like you said I would have been pissed at the cop for being "kind enough not to give ME a ticket."
 
Originally posted by: Argo
Wow, that's an awesoem diagram. And what she did is a pretty common thing, yet it's still a violation I believe. For the future - always be careful when switching into a left turn only lane, because a lot of people switch early.


no kidding :thumbsup: diagram.

im surprised the cop didn't give her a ticket for crossing the double lines. It's like "passing" in a no-passing zone isn't it? Were there no witnesses to back up your story about the double lines?
 
Yes, I have one witness plus my girlfriend...although they'll probably ignore my gf.

The old lady had one witness too.

I agree that I should have checked my blind spot. I'm partially at fault for that. However, this was an extremely short turn lane, and I was worrying about oncoming traffic wanting to go in the opposite direction in the lane -- I focused more on the oncoming traffic instead of worrying about people driving illegally behind me. What if I'd smashed head on into another vehicle??? Yes, I could have done more to check, but the fact is, she should have been behind me and turned into the lane when it was legal for her to do so. If she'd done it legally, nothing would have happened. I suppose the same could be said if I'd checked my blind spot; however, I likely would have honked at her for finding that she was driving illegally and could have hit me.
 
I will never use State Farm again after I had a situation like yours (we both had State Farm). The other driver was 100% at fault, he rear-ended me going over 35mph while I was stopped in a line of traffic (he wasn't watching the road, and admitted it to the cops.) State Farm handled it so badly, cheaped out left and right (like, they insisted on locating a used muffler to put on the car, WTF?) I hate that company.
 
You were obeying traffic laws. She crossed a double yellow, and wasn't. She's at fault. Make sure to bring that up if it ever goes any further.
 
Originally posted by: ddjkdg
That sucks, if it happened like you said I would have been pissed at the cop for being "kind enough not to give ME a ticket."

Pfft. I've heard plenty of stories like that. Including a friend of mine who was driving in the snow, his car spun out, then he regained control of it. A van that was behind him rearended him and the cops said HE was at fault. What a pile. I think they just show up and flip a coin or whoever has the bigger tits wins.

OP says he should check his blind spot, but WTF...how are you suppose to know some nut job is going to fabricate a lane where there isn't one.
 
Originally posted by: PingSpike
Pfft. I've heard plenty of stories like that. Including a friend of mine who was driving in the snow, his car spun out, then he regained control of it. A van that was behind him rearended him and the cops said HE was at fault. What a pile. I think they just show up and flip a coin or whoever has the bigger tits wins.
Technically if you lost control of the vehicle you're at fault. The cops were likely looking at that and not whether or not the other guy was driving too close/etc.
 
If that diagram is correct then you look as if you went out of your way to totally avoid even having your rear bumper cross over the double yellow line... which is why you were at an angle. Obviously she had no problem with crossing the double yellow.

This is one of those funny situations that piss me off. The OP should have made sure that no one was coming but had the woman actually followed the law the accident wouldn't have happened anyway.
 
It doesnt matter who she lives next to. As far as moving the vehciles.... well, back in the day, that is what most ppl did. they didn't hold up three lanes of traffic for two hours, while ppl dealt with a fender bender. Her car was in the position it was, perhaps, because she tried to swerve to avoid hitting you.

If she was in the left lane and you pulled into the left lane, she would not be at fault, as she was already there and has the right of way. Are you sure you checked your blind spot? Not trying to be mean, I promise, but.. just cause you didn't see her, doesnt mean she wasnt there. That has happened to me once or twice in 25yrs of driving.

Do you think she was in the right lane, behind you, and pulled to the left lane as you did and hit you?

🙂
 
Originally posted by: KarenMarie
If she was in the left lane and you pulled into the left lane, she would not be at fault, as she was already there and has the right of way.

The lane hasn't even started yet. So how could she have right of way?????
 
I cannot believe that you are at fault. Look to me as if she turned into that lane from the other side of the road and YOU have the right of way. Plus she crossed the double yellow line.
 
Originally posted by: KarenMarie
It doesnt matter who she lives next to. As far as moving the vehciles.... well, back in the day, that is what most ppl did. they didn't hold up three lanes of traffic for two hours, while ppl dealt with a fender bender. Her car was in the position it was, perhaps, because she tried to swerve to avoid hitting you.

If she was in the left lane and you pulled into the left lane, she would not be at fault, as she was already there and has the right of way. Are you sure you checked your blind spot? Not trying to be mean, I promise, but.. just cause you didn't see her, doesnt mean she wasnt there. That has happened to me once or twice in 25yrs of driving.

Do you think she was in the right lane, behind you, and pulled to the left lane as you did and hit you?

🙂

That doesn't change the fact that she crossed a double yellow line to get where she was.

JW
 
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