YACT: Is Hyundai that bad? (Tiburon)

[Spikesoldier]

Originally posted by: CTrain
Hey, if you're looking at the SE-R, then you should look at the ProtegeSpeed too.

Just me personally, but the MazdaSpeed looks way better then the SE-R.
Its also is faster.
If you can find any dealer that still have them in stock, they are basically giving them away.
I heard people finding them as low as $16K+TTT. Should should be able to find them for under $17K easy.

Turn up the boost a little and you have a car that is just as fast as the RSX at a fraction of the price.
My only complaint about the car is that it only gets around 24mpg but its still better then the Tiburon.

If I didn't like my 00 Si so much, I would have bought a Speed by now.

yes, the MSP is a great value. good to see another person who likes the MSP for what it gives you for so little.
do not forget the awesome suspension job they put on it, you will have much fun.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
You don't know that though. I've seen more 944s driven by schoolgirls and seen plenty of beat up looking old 944s. I think it is you whose demographic is way off.

Considering that I own a 924S, frequent three large forums (including Rennlist) dedicated to the 944 and the 924S, and constantly scan prices and conditions of the cars in order to figure the value of my own example and to see if perhaps I can sell the 924S and buy a slightly newer 944 I would say that I have a fairly good idea of the demographic and the market. The vast majority of 944's and 924S's are owned by middle-aged men who are obsessive about keeping the cars in good condition.

Your turn.

ZV

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Buying an old Porsche is a crap shoot. I wouldn't do it unless you have lots of money to put into it for repairs. A 15 year Porsche for $5k is a really really bad investment.

I own a 1976 914 as well as the '87 924S. Both are old, neither was a crap shoot. Research and inspection and there's almost no risk.

ZV

 

[WobbleWobble]

Originally posted by: CTrain
Hey, if you're looking at the SE-R, then you should look at the ProtegeSpeed too.

Just me personally, but the MazdaSpeed looks way better then the SE-R.
Its also is faster.
If you can find any dealer that still have them in stock, they are basically giving them away.
I heard people finding them as low as $16K+TTT. Should should be able to find them for under $17K easy.

Turn up the boost a little and you have a car that is just as fast as the RSX at a fraction of the price.
My only complaint about the car is that it only gets around 24mpg but its still better then the Tiburon.

If I didn't like my 00 Si so much, I would have bought a Speed by now.

I was thinking about the MazdaSpeeds too. The price is a tad higher, but it may be worth it. I'll look into it.

 

[WobbleWobble]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Oh yeah, the current SE-Rs have only automatic transmissions, at least in the US. Stay far away from that nonsense. I was quoted on an 04 se-r Spec V at $14,500 in December. They are giving these cars away right now with the horrily good rebates and/or financing rates at nissan. You can walk away with one for a song. The 04 spec vs are great vehicles. Don't, however, expect to sell it for anything significant. They have atrocious resale, because the targeted audience for these cars is not commuting businessmen, but just-out-of-school boy racers. Also, insurance is not terribly good on them (ie, high). But, they handle superbly (I recall .90 G on the skidpad, which smokes _serious_ ass).

In Canada, the SE-R also comes in auto. The SE-R Spec V comes in manual.

 

[StageLeft]

You want a Sentra SE-R Spec V. You want a Sentra SE-R Spec V. You want a Sentra SE-R Spec V. You want a Sentra SE-R Spec V. You want a Sentra SE-R Spec V. You want a Sentra SE-R Spec V. You want a Sentra SE-R Spec V. 😛

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
You don't know that though. I've seen more 944s driven by schoolgirls and seen plenty of beat up looking old 944s. I think it is you whose demographic is way off.

Considering that I own a 924S, frequent three large forums (including Rennlist) dedicated to the 944 and the 924S, and constantly scan prices and conditions of the cars in order to figure the value of my own example and to see if perhaps I can sell the 924S and buy a slightly newer 944 I would say that I have a fairly good idea of the demographic and the market. The vast majority of 944's and 924S's are owned by middle-aged men who are obsessive about keeping the cars in good condition.

Your turn.

ZV

Yes, you must see all kinds of pristine garage queens. Still, the fact remains that not everyone who owns these cars is as fanatic about them as you and your friends. Yes, I scan the European Auto Trader mags and see all kinds of "pristine" & "well maintained" German cars. Most of these people lie their faces off. Unless you know what you are doing and know a lot about these types of cars you would definitely be better off buying a new RSX...even though everyone else has one...

I know a bit about German cars. I just sold a 1994 BMW 325i which I've owned for 5 years. It was a good car and I took excellent care of it but many do not. I don't care if it is called a Porsche or BMW or Mercedes. And I have seen plenty of thrashed Porsche's in Southern California.

Personally, I think that recommending a 15 year old car which is expensive to repair and sometimes difficult to find parts for is really really poor advice.

But please, do go on about how all the Porsche owners you know are obsessive about their cars. It's really quite entertaining.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: WobbleWobble

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Oh yeah, the current SE-Rs have only automatic transmissions, at least in the US. Stay far away from that nonsense. I was quoted on an 04 se-r Spec V at $14,500 in December. They are giving these cars away right now with the horrily good rebates and/or financing rates at nissan. You can walk away with one for a song. The 04 spec vs are great vehicles. Don't, however, expect to sell it for anything significant. They have atrocious resale, because the targeted audience for these cars is not commuting businessmen, but just-out-of-school boy racers. Also, insurance is not terribly good on them (ie, high). But, they handle superbly (I recall .90 G on the skidpad, which smokes _serious_ ass).

In Canada, the SE-R also comes in auto. The SE-R Spec V comes in manual.

Yeah it's silly that the SE-R is only auto now, at least in my opinion, though the spec v is barely more expensive, and far and away the pimper ride. I expect it's a big magnet for speeding tickets though.

 

[WobbleWobble]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
You want a Sentra SE-R Spec V. You want a Sentra SE-R Spec V. You want a Sentra SE-R Spec V. You want a Sentra SE-R Spec V. You want a Sentra SE-R Spec V. You want a Sentra SE-R Spec V. You want a Sentra SE-R Spec V. 😛

It has more power than the Mazda 3 GT and it has the Sport Package which has the Rockford Fosgate audio system. But the Mazda 3 I think is more styling and comes with leather. I like Nissan's name better than Mazda, but it's no big deal. I'd get the SE-R Spec V if I got a Nissan though. It's worth the few hundred dollars more I think.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Yes, you must see all kinds of pristine garage queens. Still, the fact remains that not everyone who owns these cars is as fanatic about them as you and your friends. Yes, I scan the European Auto Trader mags and see all kinds of "pristine" & "well maintained" German cars. Most of these people lie their faces off. Unless you know what you are doing and know a lot about these types of cars you would definitely be better off buying a new RSX...even though everyone else has one...

I know a bit about German cars. I just sold a 1994 BMW 325i which I've owned for 5 years. It was a good car and I took excellent care of it but many do not. I don't care if it is called a Porsche or BMW or Mercedes. And I have seen plenty of thrashed Porsche's in Southern California.

Personally, I think that recommending a 15 year old car which is expensive to repair and sometimes difficult to find parts for is really really poor advice.

But please, do go on about how all the Porsche owners you know are obsessive about their cars. It's really quite entertaining.

I'd love to see you show me where I said that "all" owners I knew were obsessive. I believe that you'll find it quite impossible.

In all cases I said either "the majority" or the "vast majority" but never "all". You are simply incorrect. In the price range he is looking, it is quite easy to find a perfect example of a 924S or a later 944.

I also never recommended the car. I simply stated that an exceptionally-maintained example could be easily found in the price range he was in and that the car, when it has been taken care of, is not significantly more expensive than any other car of similar age. This was not in response to him, but in response to another poster who didn't think that any Porsche would be in his price range.

The Porsches are rather demanding cars inasmuch as they require that all maintenance be done according to schedule or they do bad things quickly. They aren't for anyone who isn't devoted to them. However, your irrational pessimism regarding the possibility to find an excellently-maintained 924S or 944 in the $10,000 price range is laughable. All it takes is a decent mechanic's inspection to verify a well-maintained car. Anyone who would buy any used car, regardless of make, without a thorough mechanic's inspection is foolish anyway.

I'm sorry, but in the end you remain simply mis-informed.

ZV

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Yes, you must see all kinds of pristine garage queens. Still, the fact remains that not everyone who owns these cars is as fanatic about them as you and your friends. Yes, I scan the European Auto Trader mags and see all kinds of "pristine" & "well maintained" German cars. Most of these people lie their faces off. Unless you know what you are doing and know a lot about these types of cars you would definitely be better off buying a new RSX...even though everyone else has one...

I know a bit about German cars. I just sold a 1994 BMW 325i which I've owned for 5 years. It was a good car and I took excellent care of it but many do not. I don't care if it is called a Porsche or BMW or Mercedes. And I have seen plenty of thrashed Porsche's in Southern California.

Personally, I think that recommending a 15 year old car which is expensive to repair and sometimes difficult to find parts for is really really poor advice.

But please, do go on about how all the Porsche owners you know are obsessive about their cars. It's really quite entertaining.

I'd love to see you show me where I said that "all" owners I knew were obsessive. I believe that you'll find it quite impossible.

In all cases I said either "the majority" or the "vast majority" but never "all". You are simply incorrect. In the price range he is looking, it is quite easy to find a perfect example of a 924S or a later 944.

I also never recommended the car. I simply stated that an exceptionally-maintained example could be easily found in the price range he was in and that the car, when it has been taken care of, is not significantly more expensive than any other car of similar age. This was not in response to him, but in response to another poster who didn't think that any Porsche would be in his price range.

The Porsches are rather demanding cars inasmuch as they require that all maintenance be done according to schedule or they do bad things quickly. They aren't for anyone who isn't devoted to them. However, your irrational pessimism regarding the possibility to find an excellently-maintained 924S or 944 in the $10,000 price range is laughable. All it takes is a decent mechanic's inspection to verify a well-maintained car. Anyone who would buy any used car, regardless of make, without a thorough mechanic's inspection is foolish anyway.

I'm sorry, but in the end you remain simply mis-informed.

ZV

Sorry, a "vast mojority" of the people in your opinion...

It's a fact, as cars get older it becomes increasingly difficult to find one in excellent condition, especially if it is a car that was expensive and somewhat exclusive when it was new. I think it is far better to be pessimistic when purchasing a used car than to be optimistic and a mechanic doing a $100 inspection cannot always determine whether or not a car will need considerable repairs in the next 6-12 months.

I will admit that you could find an exceptionally maintained car in the price range you mentioned but I don't think it is the norm and I think you would have to sort through many questionable cars and spend no small amount of time and/or money to find one.

I don't think I'm mis-informed.

 

[CTrain]

How much can you get a Spec-V for right now ??
If around ~$1000 less, I'd still choose the Speed.
The MazdaSpeed is a better car all around except for maybe the price.

 

[WobbleWobble]

The MazdaSpeed 2003.5 is $27595 CAD and the a fully loaded Nissan SE-R SPEC V $24,898 CAD.

So the price difference is a bit more than what I may want to consider. It's still doable, but it's still a nice chunk of change.

 

[WobbleWobble]

I test drove the Mazda 3 auto-tiptronic and it was pretty fun. Redlined the sucker 🙂

I didn't bother test driving the Sentra SE-R. The car is just too small. I didn't have arm room and I'm not even that big of a guy. I'm 5'11" and 185 pounds.

I'm going to have to give the Mazda 3 a serious look.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: WobbleWobble
The MazdaSpeed 2003.5 is $27595 CAD and the a fully loaded Nissan SE-R SPEC V $24,898 CAD.

So the price difference is a bit more than what I may want to consider. It's still doable, but it's still a nice chunk of change.

At that pricepoint (CDN$25K), just get a Mazda6 GS I4. 😛

- M4H

 

[BigSmooth]

Originally posted by: WobbleWobble
I didn't bother test driving the Sentra SE-R. The car is just too small. I didn't have arm room and I'm not even that big of a guy. I'm 5'11" and 185 pounds.

Odd, I am a pretty big guy (6' and 210, OK I'm fat 😛) and I don't feel cramped in the Sentra at all. But maybe it's because I like to sit fairly upright.

 

[WobbleWobble]

Mazda 3 and Mazda 6 I think have the same 4 cylinder engine, but the Mazda 3 is quite a bit cheaper. All the Mazdaspeeds are gone though. I was told they were all snatched up before they even hit the dealers.

 

[WobbleWobble]

Originally posted by: BigSmooth

Originally posted by: WobbleWobble
I didn't bother test driving the Sentra SE-R. The car is just too small. I didn't have arm room and I'm not even that big of a guy. I'm 5'11" and 185 pounds.

Odd, I am a pretty big guy (6' and 210, OK I'm fat 😛) and I don't feel cramped in the Sentra at all. But maybe it's because I like to sit fairly upright.

Flap your arms like a chicken. That's the arm room I need 🙂

The Mazda 3 is much more comfortable to sit in.