YACT: Give me the low down on this car...

[DrumminBoy]

My friend just bought a '95 Dodge Stealth Twin Turbo AWD 5 spd w/ 90k for $4200. Is this car pretty fast? How reliable are they? I've never really heard anything about these cars, so I was just curious.

 

[conjur]

Cons:

1) Chrysler product
2) Pushing 100k miles on a Chrysler product (can you say, clutch/transmission problems?)
3) Twin turbos on a Chrysler product

 

[StageLeft]

Well damn that is pretty cheap. Pretty fast car too...I remember a guy from back home plowed into a couple of kids when he was racing a rustang one evening. Killed both of them and ruined his life.

 

[notfred]

It's hardly a Chrysler product. It's a Mitsubishi 3000GT.

 

[RedRooster]

Originally posted by: conjur
Cons:

1) Chrysler product
2) Pushing 100k miles on a Chrysler product (can you say, clutch/transmission problems?)
3) Twin turbos on a Chrysler product

Isn't it more Mitsubishi than Chrysler?

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: conjur
Cons:

1) Chrysler product
2) Pushing 100k miles on a Chrysler product (can you say, clutch/transmission problems?)
3) Twin turbos on a Chrysler product

Yeah, it goes without saying that the car is going to die in the near future . Still, until then he has around 300 horses to play with and a pretty unique car on the road, and all that for a damn good price. A similar nissan 300ZX twin turbo of the same year with same miles and similar horses will cost you low teens give or take.

 

[conjur]

Site with Stealth info

Mitsu or not...it's backed by Chrysler...built under Chrysler quality specs.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: conjur
Site with Stealth info

Mitsu or not...it's backed by Chrysler...built under Chrysler quality specs.

Chrysler quality specs They have any?

Damn that bastard is 3800 pounds in twin turbo form.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: conjur
Site with Stealth info

Mitsu or not...it's backed by Chrysler...built under Chrysler quality specs.

Nope.

"Although most of the Stealth was designed and built by Mitsubishi, the body styling is unique to the Stealth and was designed by Dodge." Dodge only did minor alterations to the bodywork.

ZV

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: conjur
Site with Stealth info

Mitsu or not...it's backed by Chrysler...built under Chrysler quality specs.

Nope.

"Although most of the Stealth was designed and built by Mitsubishi, the body styling is unique to the Stealth and was designed by Dodge." Dodge only did minor alterations to the bodywork.

ZV

Right...but you can bet the Dodges coming off that assembly line were subject to lesser quality guidelines than were the Mitsus.

 

[conjur]

damn fusetalk

 

[opticalmace]

Holy crap! That's an awesome price.

 

[DrumminBoy]

Originally posted by: opticalmace
Holy crap! That's an awesome price.

yeah it is. Kinda makes me wonder too..and it came with 2 12's in back, nice Kenwood HU, Motegi rims with newer tires, and a recently replaced turbo. KBB has the private party value at 9.5....hmm, seems like somethin isnt right here.

 

[Vic]

That's a great price! Those sold for like $35k new. Pretty low mileage for a '95 too.

Reliability will not be too stellar, but shouldn't be horrible either. How you treat it (and how it has been treated) is an important factor. Though somewhat big and heavy, those beasts had a lot power.

 

[SammyBoy]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: conjur
Site with Stealth info

Mitsu or not...it's backed by Chrysler...built under Chrysler quality specs.

Nope.

"Although most of the Stealth was designed and built by Mitsubishi, the body styling is unique to the Stealth and was designed by Dodge." Dodge only did minor alterations to the bodywork.

ZV

Right...but you can bet the Dodges coming off that assembly line were subject to lesser quality guidelines than were the Mitsus.

conjur give it up, you're wrong dumbass. It's got the same engine as the mitsu, same turbos, same tranny. I'm not sure but there's a good chance the 3000GT's that were sold here were also built on this continent (once again, I'm not sure, and if someoen says they were sent over from Japan I'm not gonna keep saying nope, they were built in the US). Anyhow, you're wrong.

The only downside to the stealth is the back is uglier than the GT. Still a helluva price, and I'd worry a lot more about how hard it was driven than what the badge on the back says, a 3000GT that was driven like a race car for 100k wouldn't be in any better shape than a stealth driven the same way.

STupid head.

 

[conjur]

"Dumbass"

Wow...how incredibly intelligent of you.

In case you didn't know, and apparently you don't, cars made on the SAME assembly line but badged differently are subjected to DIFFERENT quality standards. That's one reason why the Nissan Quest was much better in quality than the Ford Windstar, for one example.

 

[T2T III]

Originally posted by: SammyBoy

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: conjur
Site with Stealth info

Mitsu or not...it's backed by Chrysler...built under Chrysler quality specs.

Nope.

"Although most of the Stealth was designed and built by Mitsubishi, the body styling is unique to the Stealth and was designed by Dodge." Dodge only did minor alterations to the bodywork.

ZV

Right...but you can bet the Dodges coming off that assembly line were subject to lesser quality guidelines than were the Mitsus.

conjur give it up, you're wrong dumbass. It's got the same engine as the mitsu, same turbos, same tranny. I'm not sure but there's a good chance the 3000GT's that were sold here were also built on this continent (once again, I'm not sure, and if someoen says they were sent over from Japan I'm not gonna keep saying nope, they were built in the US). Anyhow, you're wrong.

The only downside to the stealth is the back is uglier than the GT. Still a helluva price, and I'd worry a lot more about how hard it was driven than what the badge on the back says, a 3000GT that was driven like a race car for 100k wouldn't be in any better shape than a stealth driven the same way.

STupid head.

Well, I've owned a Dodge that had a Mitsubishi engine in it. Best thing I ever did was sell that P.O.S.

 

[Vic]

Editting my previous post above, it appears that BOTH cars were manufactured by Mitsubishi in Nagoya, Japan. Dodge only designed and controlled the styling, so all internals are Mitsu designed and controlled.
Whether that's a plus or minus, I can't say, but it pretty much invalidates Conjur's statements.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Vic
Editting my previous post above, it appears that BOTH cars were manufactured by Mitsubishi in Nagoya, Japan. Dodge only designed and controlled the styling, so all internals are Mitsu designed and controlled.
Whether that's a plus or minus, I can't say, but it pretty invalidates Conjur's statements.

<sigh>

you people just don't get it.

DIFFERENT quality levels were more than likely in place. It's very commonplace for vehicles built in the same plant but badged for different mfrs to have DIFFERENT quality standards applied to them. Esp. for plants here in the States.

And, it's not like Mitsubishi was a bastion of high-quality anyway.

And a high-mileage turbo? Two of them?

 

[RedRooster]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Vic
Editting my previous post above, it appears that BOTH cars were manufactured by Mitsubishi in Nagoya, Japan. Dodge only designed and controlled the styling, so all internals are Mitsu designed and controlled.
Whether that's a plus or minus, I can't say, but it pretty invalidates Conjur's statements.

<sigh>

you people just don't get it.

DIFFERENT quality levels were more than likely in place. It's very commonplace for vehicles built in the same plant but badged for different mfrs to have DIFFERENT quality standards applied to them.

And, it's not like Mitsubishi was a bastion of high-quality anyway.

And a high-mileage turbo? Two of them?

You make it sound like two cars are coming down the line, and Hop-Sing says to Yung-Ho "Hey this is a Mitsu, let's make sure it's put together right. Then we'll let that second one go right on by us."
I would think it'd be tough to have two distinctly seperate standards in the very same plant.

 

[RedRooster]

although I do agree with the crappy fusetalk.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: RedRooster

Originally posted by: conjur
<sigh>

you people just don't get it.

DIFFERENT quality levels were more than likely in place. It's very commonplace for vehicles built in the same plant but badged for different mfrs to have DIFFERENT quality standards applied to them.

And, it's not like Mitsubishi was a bastion of high-quality anyway.

And a high-mileage turbo? Two of them?

You make it sound like two cars are coming down the line, and Hop-Sing says to Yung-Ho "Hey this is a Mitsu, let's make sure it's put together right. Then we'll let that second one go right on by us."
I would think it'd be tough to have to distinctly seperate standards in the very same plant.

No, it's not. There are quality tests performed at random and certain specs that must be met that are measured throughout the plant and outside of the plant (post-production.)

I worked for a company that supplied quality control software to various Ford plants around the world and spent a fair amount of time in those plants.

 

[LAUST]

I think they dip them in lead

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: conjur
And, it's not like Mitsubishi was a bastion of high-quality anyway.

That was part of my point. Mitsu got slammed in the late '90s for fudging reliability numbers to the Japanese gov't.

And a high-mileage turbo? Two of them?

If you read above, you will see that those were recently replaced on the car in question.

As it is, this is a case of one manufacturer building a car for another, not a joint venture. So this would be more similar to the Toyota Corolla/Geo Prism situation, where Toyota built the Prism completely (including quality control) and sold them GM for some (unknown) wholesale price. During those years, reviewers hailed the Prism as a shining star of reliability in GM's line-up.

edit: and it has a Getrag trans in an AWD. It doesn't get much more reliable than that tranny-wise.