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YACT: fuel consumption difference between AC on high and low

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Originally posted by: Maximus96
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Is it this time again already?

yes, especially with premium in my area already $3.50 a gallon.


Between your sig and buying an $800k house I have to wonder why you would be asking this? If you want to really save 20 cents a gallon and a few MPG, buy a Civic.
 
Originally posted by: LordMorpheus
Originally posted by: Maximus96
does having AC on high or low affect the gas mileage? I always thought it'll waste less gas if i have it on low instead of full blast on high. then i heard somewhere that if the AC compressor is on, it uses the same amount of gas regardless of the fan setting...which is true? this may affect my driving conditions this summer as two of my cars drinks premium...

When the A/C on the compressor runs, and I think it only has one setting. However, when you blow more air through the device (high setting), you add more heat to the expansion fluid (usually RJ-12 in cars, these days) than you would with a low speed setting, so the compressor doesn't have to work as hard to return the fluid to a liquid on a low fan setting as it does on a high fan setting.

Could be the difference isn't huge but when you aren't cooling as much air you should put less drag on the motor.

It's R-134a.

R-12 was outlawed years ago. You cant get this stuff any more


 
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: Maximus96
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Is it this time again already?

yes, especially with premium in my area already $3.50 a gallon.


Between your sig and buying an $800k house I have to wonder why you would be asking this? If you want to really save 20 cents a gallon and a few MPG, buy a Civic.

i'm a cheapskate...after buying the house i'll have to pinch the pennies even harder...so everything counts...
 
Fan speed by itself won't affect your mileage.

The only way I can see that running the fan on high with the A/C on could possibly make a difference, is that the compressor would run longer between times when it cycles off.

If you run the fan on low, the compressor will, once the car is as cool as you want it, cycle on and off, based on the low side pressure. When the pressure gets high enough, it turns the compressor on...when it gets low enough, it cuts it off.

If you run the fan on high, and it's pretty hot outside, chances are the compressor will never cut off, especially if you're in traffic. It might if you're on a long highway run, but not in traffic.

So, even though the difference in mileage will be minute, this is the only way that running the fan on high might change it.
 
Originally posted by: jupiter57
You will likely burn exactly the same amount of gas either way.
Irregardless, running your AC with the windows up is (supposedly) more economical than no AC and windows down by design.
That wasn't always the case, before cars & trucks were designed and streamlined as they are today, along with the newer compressors being more efficient, the old AC compressors really pulled the engine down, thereby burning more gas.

FYI Irregardless is not a word
 
the compressor will cycle on and off with most cars (even my old Accord). the higher the fan setting, the more time it spends cycled on. at "1," my A/C barely cycles on. and i know when it comes on and off because i can feel the difference in power very distinctly (yay for 4 cylinder "power"). so yeah, a lower setting will save a tiny amount of gas. but damn, you'd never notice it. just turn it up as high as you want.

and BTW, my car gets way better mileage with the A/C than with the windows down. most "tests" you see, including the myth busters bullsh!t, were done at ridiculously low speeds, and with the A/C cranked up so high the driver had to wear ski clothing. this does not even remotely represent the real world. drive 80 MPH, make it comfortable inside, and try it again, dumbasses. not only does the drag become more of an issue, but 5 HP out of the 30 your car might need at 40 MPH is a much bigger difference than 5 HP out of the 70+ you might be using at 80 MPH. on a percentage basis, the A/C becomes more and more trivial the faster you drive, whereas the drag of having your windows down becomes more and more of a problem.
 
Originally posted by: thomsbrain
most "tests" you see, including the myth busters bullsh!t, were done at ridiculously low speeds, and with the A/C cranked up so high the driver had to wear ski clothing. this does not even remotely represent the real world. drive 80 MPH, make it comfortable inside, and try it again, dumbasses.

Umm, hello DUMBASS, most tests won't advocate speeding. And 80MPH is hardly the average speed most people travel. So that's not real world either.
 
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: Ronstang
They concluded after retesting the myth using a better methodology that it is in fact more fuel efficient to have the windows down with no AC. I have verified this fact on every car I have ever owned or driven for the last 25 years. It has applied to all of them. I keep track of gas usage and conditions and have always found the AC impacts gas mileage negatively compared to the window being down.
Interesting. I've never seen A/C impact highway mileage for me. Cruising above 50 mph A/C has never measureably hurt mileage for me. Now, having the A/C on in traffic will kill mileage for me. If you're going to be on the highway all day, you're usually better off with the A/C on, but you're more efficient in town with the windows down. At least, that has been my experience with the cars I've driven.

ZV


Not from my findinds. I tested this many times. My SHO for example. Averaging 70mph on the highway with the windows down resulted in ~29 mpg. With the windows up and AC on the same exact trip at 70 moh would result in ~27 mpg. This was with the entire tank of gas being driven on the highway during a trip. I have verified this with other vehicles too. No matter what the criteria, speed and highway/in town driving, I have always gotten better mileage with the windows down and AC off in every car I have driven long enough to get the data.

Why would you drive on the highway with the windows down? That is LOUD and ANNOYING.
 
Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Why would you drive on the highway with the windows down? That is LOUD and ANNOYING.

That is a matter of opinion. I am a classic car guy so I am used to driving cars that do not have AC, in fact I prefer not to use the AC. I don't even use it in my Lexus on a daily basis in Texas in the middle of the summer unless there are women with me. I don't like AC. I grew up with the windows down at 70 mph and that is the way I prefer to drive. Shelby doesn't have AC and I love to listen to the engine roar and it is especially cool hearing the mechanical lifters and exhaust echo off the median wall. To each their own buddy, to each their own.

 
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Why would you drive on the highway with the windows down? That is LOUD and ANNOYING.

That is a matter of opinion. I am a classic car guy so I am used to driving cars that do not have AC, in fact I prefer not to use the AC. I don't even use it in my Lexus on a daily basis in Texas in the middle of the summer unless there are women with me. I don't like AC. I grew up with the windows down at 70 mph and that is the way I prefer to drive. Shelby doesn't have AC and I love to listen to the engine roar and it is especially cool hearing the mechanical lifters and exhaust echo off the median wall. To each their own buddy, to each their own.

I would mention something about long-term hearing loss, but I ride a motorcycle🙁
 
Wow.

Its a relatively simple test.

Someone get a GM Tech II Diagnostic Scanner.

Go to Engine Performance and look at Load % with teh AC on and off. Compare with other diagnostic readings and extrapolate loss of power attributed to AC.

Simple!
 
Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Why would you drive on the highway with the windows down? That is LOUD and ANNOYING.

That is a matter of opinion. I am a classic car guy so I am used to driving cars that do not have AC, in fact I prefer not to use the AC. I don't even use it in my Lexus on a daily basis in Texas in the middle of the summer unless there are women with me. I don't like AC. I grew up with the windows down at 70 mph and that is the way I prefer to drive. Shelby doesn't have AC and I love to listen to the engine roar and it is especially cool hearing the mechanical lifters and exhaust echo off the median wall. To each their own buddy, to each their own.

I would mention something about long-term hearing loss, but I ride a motorcycle🙁

I doubt I will have any hearing loss from wind noise in a car and I isn,t like I drive the Shelby 24/7. You worry too much.

 
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Why would you drive on the highway with the windows down? That is LOUD and ANNOYING.

That is a matter of opinion. I am a classic car guy so I am used to driving cars that do not have AC, in fact I prefer not to use the AC. I don't even use it in my Lexus on a daily basis in Texas in the middle of the summer unless there are women with me. I don't like AC. I grew up with the windows down at 70 mph and that is the way I prefer to drive. Shelby doesn't have AC and I love to listen to the engine roar and it is especially cool hearing the mechanical lifters and exhaust echo off the median wall. To each their own buddy, to each their own.


I agree on lots of this, however I think what you drive plays a huge factor in whether or not a person might like to drive with the windows down.

We drove a Grand Marquis to Dallas this past weekend, in that with the windows down at highway speed, there is hardly any wind buffeting at all. Now in everyday life I drive a full sized pickup or SUV, driving in either of those with the windows down at highway speed is downright torture.


 
Originally posted by: Sluggo
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Why would you drive on the highway with the windows down? That is LOUD and ANNOYING.

That is a matter of opinion. I am a classic car guy so I am used to driving cars that do not have AC, in fact I prefer not to use the AC. I don't even use it in my Lexus on a daily basis in Texas in the middle of the summer unless there are women with me. I don't like AC. I grew up with the windows down at 70 mph and that is the way I prefer to drive. Shelby doesn't have AC and I love to listen to the engine roar and it is especially cool hearing the mechanical lifters and exhaust echo off the median wall. To each their own buddy, to each their own.


I agree on lots of this, however I think what you drive plays a huge factor in whether or not a person might like to drive with the windows down.

We drove a Grand Marquis to Dallas this past weekend, in that with the windows down at highway speed, there is hardly any wind buffeting at all. Now in everyday life I drive a full sized pickup or SUV, driving in either of those with the windows down at highway speed is downright torture.

I understand what you are saying and you are right about different cars having different noise levels. The reason there is more noise/buffeting in a lot of newer cars is the lack of wing windows which most classic/older cars have. There are plenty of newer cars that don't have a lot of problems with noise like my SHO. My Lexus is a lttle worse but then again it is a car designed for people that would die if they didn't have AC in Monterey CA.

Personally I have not found a car that the noise from having the windows down at speed bothers me. I guess I am so used to having the windows down I don't even notice it.
 
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: jupiter57
You will likely burn exactly the same amount of gas either way.
Irregardless, running your AC with the windows up is (supposedly) more economical than no AC and windows down by design.
That wasn't always the case, before cars & trucks were designed and streamlined as they are today, along with the newer compressors being more efficient, the old AC compressors really pulled the engine down, thereby burning more gas.

FYI Irregardless is not a word
It's not?
 
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