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YACT: engine at 220k miles, and probably need to change timing belt...

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andylawcc

Lifer
car: 1996 toyota celica ST
engine: 1.8L 7AFE
miles: just hit 220K yesterday
last time I did a timing belt replacement: probably around 135k miles.

so, I figure I will need a timing belt replaced pretty soon; along with a water pump changed (which is recommended too right?) it will cost around $250. Since the engine is getting old anyways, should I replace the whole engine instead? I was quoted $600 few months ago for a replacement engine. Heck, a 4AGE 20 Valves is around $600 here in So Cal. However, the engine is still running well and I don't feel its dying as of this moment. But who knows what gonna happen when it hits 230k or 240k....
 
Originally posted by: andylawcc
car: 1996 toyota celica ST
engine: 1.8L 7AFE
miles: just hit 220K yesterday
last time I did a timing belt replacement: probably around 135k miles.

so, I figure I will need a timing belt replaced pretty soon; along with a water pump changed (which is recommended too right?) it will cost around $250. Since the engine is getting old anyways, should I replace the whole engine instead? I was quoted $600 few months ago for a replacement engine. Heck, a 4AGE 20 Valves is around $600 here in So Cal. However, the engine is still running well and I don't feel its dying as of this moment. But who knows what gonna happen when it hits 230k or 240k....
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A replacement used engine is $600 - on top of the labor to install it. And who knows what condition that motor is in, what maintenance (or lack thereof) was performed, whether or not it was beat on...etc. If you have a motor that you know has been maintaned well and not beat...I'd do the timing belt and water pump and drive it till it died.

My .02
 
Originally posted by: NutBucket
You have a smog guy if you go for the 4AGE?
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uur... yeah... kinda.

but for the 4AGE 20v, I gain like 30-40hp, which is not my top priority (it would nice though...) the front-drive Celica is not a performer anyways, so I don't plan to spend a whole lot to improve it. I rather keep the money and put it into my next car that's worthwhile (240sx, miata, or even an EK).
 
Just go for the t-belt on your current motor. Chances are it'll last just fine.

Besides, how easy will it be to sell your Celica with a 4AGE?
 
If you replace the motor you have to replace the timing belt anyways haha

the timing belt is a standard change like a muffler
 
Originally posted by: Black88GTA

A replacement used engine is $600 - on top of the labor to install it. And who knows what condition that motor is in, what maintenance (or lack thereof) was performed, whether or not it was beat on...etc. If you have a motor that you know has been maintaned well and not beat...I'd do the timing belt and water pump and drive it till it died.
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I am kinda leaning towards the "timing belt" option too.

I was told that the 1.8L engine (which is used in the 1994-1998 Corollas and Prizm) could last till 280k-300k, which would make the "timing belt" option worthwhile.

but some said it can last only till 250k, which 30k from where I am at. in that case, and if it is true, do you think the $250 put in would be 'wasted'?
 
Originally posted by: andylawcc
Originally posted by: Black88GTA

A replacement used engine is $600 - on top of the labor to install it. And who knows what condition that motor is in, what maintenance (or lack thereof) was performed, whether or not it was beat on...etc. If you have a motor that you know has been maintaned well and not beat...I'd do the timing belt and water pump and drive it till it died.
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I am kinda leaning towards the "timing belt" option too.

I was told that the 1.8L engine (which is used in the 1994-1998 Corollas and Prizm) could last till 280k-300k, which would make the "timing belt" option worthwhile.

but some said it can last only till 250k, which 30k from where I am at. in that case, and if it is true, do you think the $250 put in would be 'wasted'?
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Don't pay any attention to that stuff. A car will last as well as you take care of it.....unless its a real POS. You car will last until you want to get rid of it.
 
Originally posted by: andylawcc
Originally posted by: Black88GTA

A replacement used engine is $600 - on top of the labor to install it. And who knows what condition that motor is in, what maintenance (or lack thereof) was performed, whether or not it was beat on...etc. If you have a motor that you know has been maintaned well and not beat...I'd do the timing belt and water pump and drive it till it died.
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I am kinda leaning towards the "timing belt" option too.

I was told that the 1.8L engine (which is used in the 1994-1998 Corollas and Prizm) could last till 280k-300k, which would make the "timing belt" option worthwhile.

but some said it can last only till 250k, which 30k from where I am at. in that case, and if it is true, do you think the $250 put in would be 'wasted'?
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Well, first off...it's never that "cut and dry." It could last another 5k, or another 105k. There's no hard and fast rule about how long a particular motor will last, only ballpark figures. It all boils down to maintenance and usage characteristics.

For the sake of argument, say it did last another 30k before it died. $250 to go 30,000 miles seems pretty good to me...that's 2 years worth of driving, going by the national average. Based on that number, I wouldn't say that's "wasted" at all. Now, if you did it and it popped 500 miles later....yeah, that would be a waste. But there's no way to predict that...so I'd just go for it and hope for the best! :thumbsup:

 
Originally posted by: iluvtruenos
4AGZE converted from blower to turbo. Forged pistons, lower compression. It's just bending over for FI.
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i had always fantasized, if my car can be fitted with the 4A-GZE (with the TMIC from the gen1 MR2), so it can be fitted with All-Trac GT4 hood.... so it can look like this www.c-one.co.jp/ PROSHOP/st205.html.

of course, i might as well pay more so it can have the 3S-GTE. 🙂
 
Originally posted by: Black88GTA
Well, first off...it's never that "cut and dry." It could last another 5k, or another 105k. There's no hard and fast rule about how long a particular motor will last, only ballpark figures. It all boils down to maintenance and usage characteristics.
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Originally posted by: NutBucket
Don't pay any attention to that stuff. A car will last as well as you take care of it.....unless its a real POS. You car will last until you want to get rid of it.
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okay, thanks guys. I am convinced then.


so, next question: how much longer you think my timing belt will last? 🙂 😉 hehe

 
Originally posted by: andylawcc
Originally posted by: Black88GTA
Well, first off...it's never that "cut and dry." It could last another 5k, or another 105k. There's no hard and fast rule about how long a particular motor will last, only ballpark figures. It all boils down to maintenance and usage characteristics.
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Originally posted by: NutBucket
Don't pay any attention to that stuff. A car will last as well as you take care of it.....unless its a real POS. You car will last until you want to get rid of it.
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okay, thanks guys. I am convinced then.


so, next question: how much longer you think my timing belt will last? 🙂 😉 hehe
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That's a game I'd NEVER play. Want to get stranded somewhere?
 
Timing belt on a 4AGE isn't too terribly bad..so I'd imagine a 7AFE wouldn't be either -- just have the belt changed..you'll be good for a while.
 
Originally posted by: andylawcc
Originally posted by: iluvtruenos
4AGZE converted from blower to turbo. Forged pistons, lower compression. It's just bending over for FI.
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i had always fantasized, if my car can be fitted with the 4A-GZE (with the TMIC from the gen1 MR2), so it can be fitted with All-Trac GT4 hood.... so it can look like this www.c-one.co.jp/ PROSHOP/st205.html.

of course, i might as well pay more so it can have the 3S-GTE. 🙂
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link no work
 
Originally posted by: andylawcc
Originally posted by: NutBucket
That's a game I'd NEVER play. Want to get stranded somewhere?
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well, it was 85k since the previous replacement... it is about time right?
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I follow the 80k rule. We'll see on the Suby since I believe it has a 105k interval.
 
just replace the timing belt and water pump. if it was me though i'd just replace the timing belt and nothing else and just wait until the water pump fails. it could last for as long as the engine does. who knows. however if you aren't doing the labor yourself and/or don't feel like taking the engine apart then replace it too.

with my car though it's a lot of work to change the water pump as the cam gears have to come off and everything. then you need new cam gear gaskets. much simplier to just replace the timing belt.
 
Originally posted by: andylawcc
Originally posted by: NutBucket
That's a game I'd NEVER play. Want to get stranded somewhere?
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well, it was 85k since the previous replacement... it is about time right?
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they can usually last anywhere from 90-100k miles. if you have a non-interface engine you can just let it go until it breaks. if not, replace it as you'll bend valves if the timing belt breaks. then it'll be time for a new engine.
 
If it is an interference engine, you should change the belt ASAP, or you will be getting a new motor if the belt breaks.

If it's a non-interference (which it most likely is, but i cant tell you for sure), the only problem snapping the timing belt will cause you is your car will break down somewhere.

edit: damn you shawn. 😛
 
Originally posted by: Shawn
Originally posted by: andylawcc
Originally posted by: NutBucket
That's a game I'd NEVER play. Want to get stranded somewhere?
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well, it was 85k since the previous replacement... it is about time right?
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they can usually last anywhere from 90-100k miles. if you have a non-interface engine you can just let it go until it breaks. if not, replace it as you'll bend valves if the timing belt breaks. then it'll be time for a new engine.
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If you change it before it breaks, you won't need a tow. 😉
 
Originally posted by: CadetLee
Originally posted by: Shawn
Originally posted by: andylawcc
Originally posted by: NutBucket
That's a game I'd NEVER play. Want to get stranded somewhere?
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well, it was 85k since the previous replacement... it is about time right?
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they can usually last anywhere from 90-100k miles. if you have a non-interface engine you can just let it go until it breaks. if not, replace it as you'll bend valves if the timing belt breaks. then it'll be time for a new engine.
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If you change it before it breaks, you won't need a tow. 😉
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true. i have AAA though so it doesn't matter. 😛
 
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