Originally posted by: KenGr Ultimately horsepower is energy
Originally posted by: Howard
"Power" output. And 57lb-ft of torque with that much displacement?Originally posted by: Eli
LOL @ this thread...
Horsepower is a "stupid" number. Torque is what puts you in your seat when you accelerate. Horsepower is just another method of measuring energy output.
It's basically already been covered. The massive torque is a function of the extremely long stroke. The extremely long stroke is a cause of the very low redline.
Let's take an old Hit and Miss engine, for example.
The Stover 6HP gasoline engine made in 1922 makes full power @ 550RPM.
5 3/4" bore and a 8" stroke. That means it's producing 57ftlbs of torque at 550RPM, yet only 6HP.
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: KenGr Ultimately horsepower is energy
technically, no, its not.
Originally posted by: Migroo
No. it is not because deisel is slow burning.
Deisel needs a lot of compression to burn. That means you need a 'thin' piston with a high stroke (a wide piston with a short stroke wouldnt 'do' as the deisel needs to be in a small concentration in order to burn). Since the high stroke has so much further to 'travel' compared to a petrol engine's relative wide piston and short stroke, thats why they cannot rev very high.
The high torque level is directly related to the long stroke - it means more mechanical advantage.
This is very similar to a low revving V8 (numbers of cylinders or capacity have nothing to do with it, just giving it a name) compared to a high revving 1600cc. Just a deisel has an even bigger difference.
Yeah, true.Originally posted by: Migroo
They can, but thats nothing to do with it - its all relational.
In most cases the bore/stroke ratio of a deisel remains the same - small bore compared to high stroke - thats why most deisels cant reve very high.
Originally posted by: ndee
so for acceleration, torque is important?
Originally posted by: KenGr
I'm sorry but I just don't agree that there is an inherent need for long stoke diesels. Large "industrial type" engines, whether gas or diesel, have an incentive to be long stroke. The don't need to operate at high speed but they do need to operate at maximum output for long periods of time with great reliability. In a tractor, for instance you want to run it constantly at full power and expect a 10 or 20 year span between overhauls. So you design and govern it to operate at a torque peak of, say, 2200 rpm. Back on the farm we had diesel and gas tractors and they both had similar long stroke designs.
To have a large displacement in these engines, you need a long stroke. If you make the bore large, the piston becomes so heavy you can't get any engine speed out of it at all.
On the other hand, automotive diesels operate at higher speeds, have a lighter weight design since they don't operate at constant maximum output. These engines tend to have square bores like gasoline engines. For example, the latest Mercedes diesel V8 has 86mm bore and 86mm stroke. I recently saw a planned Dodge diesel for SUVs and it's dimensions were 94mm x 100mm.
When accelerating, torque is what puts you in your seat.. so yes, it is important for that.Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: ndee
so for acceleration, torque is important?
No, for pulling heavy weight consistently, torgue is important.
