I've heard of methods using the parking brake, revving it up a bit, release clutch, then releasing the parking brake..and I've also heard of releasing the clutch slowly with the regular brake still in then releasing the brake.
YACT: Best way to go up inclines from a start with MT?
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Use the parking brake?! WTF. Just learn how to let out the clutch and push on the gas with enough coordination to not stall the car. It's not rocket science people.
What I don't understand is why in this day and age of computer controlled ABS, the car doesn't automatically apply the brakes to stop you from rolling back when your shifter is not in reverse or neutral.
On really steep inclines you need to use the parking brake, but on most hills you just need to do as Heisenberg said.
People who have MT don't want the car to drive itself. On an automatic, the car doesn't roll backwards when in drive.
I heard about the Subaru Hill-Holder, but doesn't that use the clutch instead of the brakes? I am wondering why everyone isn't implementing the brake approach now that they got ABS computers anyways. Just an extra function for the computer to do.
So I am guessing people with MT don't want ABS either? You can make it a setting that you can turn on and off with a button, since it's done by computer, just like stability control.
NutBucket
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http://www.scoobymods.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2746
How the new hill holder works. Trying to find something on the old version.
How the new hill holder works. Trying to find something on the old version.
Subaru's hill-holder uses the brakes IIRC. Not all Subarus have them though. Mine doesn't, so I just use a quick transition from brake to clutch/gas.
The Stigenator
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try doing some of the complex stuff in san fransisco..
First pull handbrake.. if that's not enough press brake.. to hold car.
Next if your foot isnt on the brake, then press gas, release clutch and when the engine engages, just release the handbrake.. I usually keep my hand on the handbrake so its a smooth release.
Now if your foot is on the brake then quickly move out of brake to the gas and release clutch at the same time along with the hand brake.. you can try heel and toe for the brake/gas if needed.. this thing requires some finesse, and your not an expert on a manual tranny and your driving in san fransisco.. then i suggest you take an auto.. or dont drive.
First pull handbrake.. if that's not enough press brake.. to hold car.
Next if your foot isnt on the brake, then press gas, release clutch and when the engine engages, just release the handbrake.. I usually keep my hand on the handbrake so its a smooth release.
Now if your foot is on the brake then quickly move out of brake to the gas and release clutch at the same time along with the hand brake.. you can try heel and toe for the brake/gas if needed.. this thing requires some finesse, and your not an expert on a manual tranny and your driving in san fransisco.. then i suggest you take an auto.. or dont drive.
Just go out and practice on hills. Learn learn learn. I never use(d, I miss my stick) the parking brake unless I was parking. It's all about clutch and gas.
But it seems like a hydraulic system. I want something that is like ABS, electric system that basically stops the car from rolling back. Seems to me like the auto engineers are just lazy. They should just make everything drive-by-wire. It's the 21st century for crying out loud.
AgaBoogaBoo
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I'm still learning, and when we left a restaraunt I was driving back from, I had to go up a pretty big incline which I had to stop at till I could join with the traffick. Anyway, my dad just told me to that since I was stopped, I should push clutch, shift to first, put right hand on emergency brakes and then give decent amount of gas and just use clutch almost to help keep the car in one place, luckily I didn't need to use e-brake, but that's another choice.
I suppose you could put ebrake, shift into gear, start giving gas, let go of ebrake and then slowly clutch.
I suppose you could put ebrake, shift into gear, start giving gas, let go of ebrake and then slowly clutch.
Vic
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My Subaru doesn't have the hill-holder.
I don't need it anyway. You just have to be quick. Right at the same time you're moving your right foot from the brake to the gas, lift up on the clutch to the bottom of the "mesh point". That will prevent the car from rolling backwards. It will, however, begin to induce an engine stall. So quickly (we're talking milliseconds here) apply gas (give a little extra), smoothly release the clutch, and go forward as normal.
It's all just a quick shuffling of the feet that comes with practice. I don't even think about it anymore, and I don't roll back half-an-inch on even the steepest hills.
I don't need it anyway. You just have to be quick. Right at the same time you're moving your right foot from the brake to the gas, lift up on the clutch to the bottom of the "mesh point". That will prevent the car from rolling backwards. It will, however, begin to induce an engine stall. So quickly (we're talking milliseconds here) apply gas (give a little extra), smoothly release the clutch, and go forward as normal.
It's all just a quick shuffling of the feet that comes with practice. I don't even think about it anymore, and I don't roll back half-an-inch on even the steepest hills.
I think the parking brake method is the easiest. With that it's:
1. Apply parking brake.
2. Clutch down, foot on gas.
3. Let the clutch out as you release the parking brake and push the gas down.
The alternative is to let the clutch out while your right foot is still on the brake until the clutch will hold the car, then move your right foot to the gas.
1. Apply parking brake.
2. Clutch down, foot on gas.
3. Let the clutch out as you release the parking brake and push the gas down.
The alternative is to let the clutch out while your right foot is still on the brake until the clutch will hold the car, then move your right foot to the gas.
Vic
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This is the technique that I was talking about in my previous post, and have used regularly for more than a decade. It's so easy once you get the hang of it that you stop thinking about it and it's totally second nature. Just remember to grab the gas quickly before the engine stalls.
Just do what you normally do....only faster.
I am a strong advocate of learning it the "right" way. If you're in a sticky situation, then use the handbrake if you must, but don't rely on it. You may one day drive a car with a foot-operated handbrake and then you will find you don't have enough feet to work all 3 pedals....
I am a strong advocate of learning it the "right" way. If you're in a sticky situation, then use the handbrake if you must, but don't rely on it. You may one day drive a car with a foot-operated handbrake and then you will find you don't have enough feet to work all 3 pedals....
Or you can just redline it and dump the clutch after you bounce off the rev limiter a few times. 
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