probably go with the bimmer
ever looked at the WRX? way faster than both those cars, but not as high class though
ever looked at the WRX? way faster than both those cars, but not as high class though
If your budget is $21k, you're obviously not going to be buying new, correct? If that is the case, and if I were in your shoes, I would be looking at E39 BMWs (540, 530, 528, 525) if AWD is not "required". There are tons of 'em out there around that price. Personally, I think that the 3 series is weak in the rear leg-room department.
BUT, if you're really leaning towards one of the two above, I have no place to say anything, since I have never been in the new A4. They do have a rather nice exterior! I have driven a friend's '00 A6 though, and I can tell ya that it definitely didn't have the "driver's car" feel to it, although the interior was quite nice, and had MUCH more room in the rear than my old 5.
BUT, if you're really leaning towards one of the two above, I have no place to say anything, since I have never been in the new A4. They do have a rather nice exterior! I have driven a friend's '00 A6 though, and I can tell ya that it definitely didn't have the "driver's car" feel to it, although the interior was quite nice, and had MUCH more room in the rear than my old 5.
Definitely not, the A6 is built on the Passat chassis. Just take a look at the cars side by side.
Originally posted by: Mill
And Lexus is a Toyota, etc etc etc.
Heh, but driving a Jetta, I can tell you that MANY parts for Jettas are shared with the A4. Shudder....
You can lift up one side of the car so only two wheels say on the passanger side were making contact on ICE, and it would still go straight if floored (i've read this on www.audiworld.com). Audi came out first with FWD (I think audi was the first to develop fwd in a production car), then moved to AWD. The quattro system is one of the best if not the best out there in terms of AWD (4wd and awd are different), I wonder how'd it compare to the new G35X....
Originally posted by: geno
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Didn't you just answer the question in the question?
Not really, I stated that Quattro has a better reputation, that doesn't make it a better system by default
And how does that compare with BMW's AWD?
BMW's awd system on the 3 series is not that good comapred to the Quattro system. I read this a while back in Car and Driver magazine when they compared the two systems. Think about this too; Audi has been deveoping and improving AWD
for quite some time. BMW is primarily a RWD (the 3 series and the suvs they make i think are the only cars they offer awd on) focused company. It would be safe to say that Audi would have considerably more experience in making their AWD system one of the best, better than the 3 series one. IMO, I think BMW's awd system just makes the car slower and heavier than it needs to be. I were to choose between the two, I'd definately get the Audi quattro. But for crisp handling thats been upheld throughout the years in car magazine tests, I'd get a base bmw, their rwd platform has been refined to benchmark quality.
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I realize that Audi has been doing this for YEARS more than BMW has, and I wouldn't for a second doubt that Quattro is better. But I'm curious to know how one can say that it's "far superior", what about it makes it far superior as an AWD system? Better torque diversion? Less understeer than most AWD systems? More intelligent distribution of power during normal driving?
Just looking for some facts, that's all
Just looking for some facts, that's all
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If you're buying a car at a dealer, also take into account the level of service you are given at this dealer. In my opinion this is very, very important. I bought my Mitsubishi Lancer a bit on impulse... and I didn't really pay much attention to the dealer, I was inexperienced. Not to say I made a mistake, I love the car - it's better value than every car I've compared it to. But - the dealer is absolute sh!t and for that reason I will never buy a vehicle from them again. There is a Mitsubishi dealer I know of that is good, and I may buy an EVO from them... but otherwise I won't even consider a Mitsubishi, based solely on the experience of being shafted at numerous Mitsubishi dealers.
Now, for bang-for-buck the Mitsubishi Ralliart is hard to beat, in terms of performance as well. However if you are looking at A4 and 325, I would definitely have to recommend the 325. I say this not having test driven the Audi, though. I did test drive the BMW 325i and I absolutely loved it. Had I the down payment at the time Id probably have traded in my Lancer and got the BMW.
The handling was amazing, even at 170KMH. And that's another thing.. I showed up to the dealer in my baggy sweater and baggy jeans, greasy hair and he still treated me professionally and with respect, and offered a test drive. The service at that dealer was exceptional. The salesman was not pushy nor shady. I would buy from them just for that level of service. Also their warranty service was amazing where I went. Basically you will only ever pay for your brakes or tires or whatever. Everything is guaranteed (they are confident about their product) - they offered free lifetime oil changes, even though it only NEEDS an oil change every 20,000KM!
I don't know how Audi is but unless the driving feel and customer service is at least better than BMW, I would get the BMW. The BMW also had exceptional value. For a base price of $35k CANADIAN, the 320i was incredible value. However I test drove the 325i with sports package (17" mags) fully loaded for $45k CAN.
I don't know about the AWD systems of Audi and BMW - I would take just the RWD BMW. They still have a whole buttload of traction and directional stability control technologies you may want to take into account. A backwheeldrive BMW with good tires will fare very well in poor conditions despite not being AWD.
I guess anything is better in the winter than my lancer with 14" donut wheels and horrible (and bald) tires...
Now, for bang-for-buck the Mitsubishi Ralliart is hard to beat, in terms of performance as well. However if you are looking at A4 and 325, I would definitely have to recommend the 325. I say this not having test driven the Audi, though. I did test drive the BMW 325i and I absolutely loved it. Had I the down payment at the time Id probably have traded in my Lancer and got the BMW.
The handling was amazing, even at 170KMH. And that's another thing.. I showed up to the dealer in my baggy sweater and baggy jeans, greasy hair and he still treated me professionally and with respect, and offered a test drive. The service at that dealer was exceptional. The salesman was not pushy nor shady. I would buy from them just for that level of service. Also their warranty service was amazing where I went. Basically you will only ever pay for your brakes or tires or whatever. Everything is guaranteed (they are confident about their product) - they offered free lifetime oil changes, even though it only NEEDS an oil change every 20,000KM!
I don't know how Audi is but unless the driving feel and customer service is at least better than BMW, I would get the BMW. The BMW also had exceptional value. For a base price of $35k CANADIAN, the 320i was incredible value. However I test drove the 325i with sports package (17" mags) fully loaded for $45k CAN.
I don't know about the AWD systems of Audi and BMW - I would take just the RWD BMW. They still have a whole buttload of traction and directional stability control technologies you may want to take into account. A backwheeldrive BMW with good tires will fare very well in poor conditions despite not being AWD.
I guess anything is better in the winter than my lancer with 14" donut wheels and horrible (and bald) tires...
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