YABT: More bank reamery

Miramonti

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Higher APR's and inactivity fees apparently aren't enough.

Unbelievable. This makes most of look pretty stupid for borrowing money from lenders with provisions that allow them to change the loan terms to anything they want anytime they want. :|

Citibank says its only changing a "small number of accounts". Imo, this will probably be another industry trend to pilfer its customers.


On Friday, American Banker reported that Citigroup is imposing annual fees on some of its existing credit card accounts.

Citi spokesman Samuel Wang said in an e-mail statement:

"We have adjusted pricing and card terms for some customers as part of our regular account reviews. This is an ongoing process to ensure we offer terms, interest rates, credit lines and products based on individual needs and risk profiles. These changes also reflect the dramatically higher cost of doing business in our industry as we work to preserve the broad availability of credit."

"A small number of Citi customers may be notified of an annual fee," he added, without providing a total. He declined to provide a range of fees or the reason certain accounts were targeted.

One unhappy recipient of the terms-change notification -- my mom -- gave me a copy of the letter. It announces that an annual fee of $90 will be charged to her account starting next year in September, and every year afterward, unless she charged a minimum of $2,400 during the previous year. The only other alternative was opting out by Sept. 30, 2009, which would close her account.

The customer service representative she spoke with reiterated their offer to waive the fee if she charged $2,400 to her card. She decided the math made no sense -- $2,400 a year to save $90 -- and shuttered the account.


Because I know many will ask, here's how closing accounts affects your credit score. It doesn't matter who initiates the move, the result is the same. Once the balance is paid off, the credit limit no longer counts toward your debt-to-available credit ratio. If that ratio then increases, your score can suffer. Paying down balances on other accounts should help offset score damage. Read my column "Why closing a credit card account hurts score" for a more detailed explanation.

Citi isn't alone in penalizing borrowers who aren't profitable enough. Fifth Third Bank now charges a $19 inactivity fee on accounts with no activity in 12 months.

Credit card issuers are exploring ways to profit in the face of restrictions under the CARD Act, which among other things, will prohibit rate hikes on existing balances unless the increase is due to a 60-day late payment, promotional rate expiration, index movement tied to the variable rate or the end of a workout arrangement. Industry representatives have warned that the law would cause a resurgence in annual fees.

Already annual fees have picked up in credit card solicitations. About 28 percent of all mailed credit card offers carried an annual fee in the second quarter of 2009, up from 17 percent a year ago, according to direct mail tracking service Synovate Mail Monitor. The average annual fee on mailed offers increased to $82 this year, a record high in nearly 20 years.

The CARD Act doesn't restrict annual fees per se but requires 45 days' advance notification before implementing a new interest rate or fee. This requirement goes into effect today.
 

Miramonti

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Originally posted by: CRXican
$2,400 in a year aint shit

:roll:

Most people have numerous cards. Fvck them if they are going to penalize people for not giving them one's business, that's bullsh!t.
 

rivan

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Originally posted by: CRXican
$2,400 in a year aint shit

It is for some people. And what bearing does the amount have on whether this is right or not?

Your choices are: pay the fee or drop the card and your credit score suffers. Which means other cards will raise your rates, among other things.

The credit score started out as a fairly decent thing but it's been perverted into something that's far too invasive. Fees for inactivity with the threat of impacting your score amounts to extortion.
 

OutHouse

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the bank i was with a few years ago started doing the same shit. i closed my account and went with a credit union. fuck banks and their fees

edit; a lot of people in atot worry about their credit scores way to much.
 

rivan

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Originally posted by: Citrix
the bank i was with a few years ago started doing the same shit. i closed my account and went with a credit union. fuck banks and their fees

edit; a lot of people in atot worry about their credit scores way to much.

I worry about it only because I do things like buy houses. And cars. Have have credit cards.

I guess that wouldn't apply to very many other people here. I mean I must be in the minority, not paying cash for my car, right?
 

Miramonti

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Originally posted by: Citrix
the bank i was with a few years ago started doing the same shit. i closed my account and went with a credit union. fuck banks and their fees

edit; a lot of people in atot worry about their credit scores way to much.

good timing.

I worried a lot about my credit score up until buying a house last year. Now I don't really care, except my citibank account has a $25k limit and about $3k debt on it. I've already opted out effective 11/09, but as a result my debt-to-credit ratio is going to skyrocket, potentially increasing my rate on another card. It's fvcking ridiculous.
 

OutHouse

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Originally posted by: rivan
Originally posted by: Citrix
the bank i was with a few years ago started doing the same shit. i closed my account and went with a credit union. fuck banks and their fees

edit; a lot of people in atot worry about their credit scores way to much.

I worry about it only because I do things like buy houses. And cars. Have have credit cards.

I guess that wouldn't apply to very many other people here. I mean I must be in the minority, not paying cash for my car, right?

how many houses and cars do you buy in a year?
 

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Originally posted by: zoiks
Originally posted by: Kroze
why do you even need a credit card.

Kroze asked why do you even need a credit card.

In the least, people have debt on them that they can't quickly get rid of, even if they never use them again, and banks are exploiting this to rape them for more money.

Most people have obviously learned about the evil of banks and credit cards the hard way, but it's too late for most people to do anything about it.

I've considered myself as responsible as anyone with credit card balances, but never saw this kind of absurd sh!t coming. I'd pay them off if I could, but its not possible right now and that's the case with many other people.
 

trmiv

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Citi sucks. They just basically stole $116 from me when they for some reason processed an autopayment for an account that had a frigging ZERO balance. I got an email that the payment was made, so I was like "WTF, there's no balance on that account????" I called their "customer service" and was told that since it didn't post they could stop it. Well today, sure enough, the frigging payment is deducted from my bank account. Thanks citi! So now I have to wait for these dickheads to send me a check for the money they took from my bank account since that card has long since been cut up.
 

allisolm

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"A small number of Citi customers may be notified of an annual fee..."

Having seen the threads here about rates being jacked up and limits being lowered for what seem to be random accounts, it will be interesting to see what kind of customers make up this "small number". We'll see if there's any rhyme or reason to the ones who get notified of a fee.

I know that I will cease to use any card that requires a fee from me. If they all go to fees, I'll go to cash/checks.
 

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Originally posted by: allisolm
"A small number of Citi customers may be notified of an annual fee..."

Having seen the threads here about rates being jacked up and limits being lowered for what seem to be random accounts, it will be interesting to see what kind of customers make up this "small number". We'll see if there's any rhyme or reason to the ones who get notified of a fee.

I know that I will cease to use any card that requires a fee from me. If they all go to fees, I'll go to cash/checks.

Imo, this is the equivalent to a 'test market' experiment to see how the industry responds. If they jump on board as well, they'll 'quietly' subject the masses to it (if they haven't planned on that already.) Otherwise, if they stand alone, they'll risk losing their new business to others.
 

Modelworks

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ABC had a segment about how card companies are now closing card accounts that are not making them money. Several people that were interviewed said they got card cancelled notices on cards that they didn't use often or use at all. Looks like the, get the card, but don't have to use it idea is about to die.
 

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Originally posted by: Modelworks
ABC had a segment about how card companies are now closing card accounts that are not making them money. Several people that were interviewed said they got card cancelled notices on cards that they didn't use often or use at all. Looks like the, get the card, but don't have to use it idea is about to die.

ever since I had a credit card (like 10 years ago) i've been hearing people got their no annual fees card cancelled if they don't use it. this isn't a new concept. Discover cancelled me.
 

rivan

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Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: rivan
Originally posted by: Citrix
the bank i was with a few years ago started doing the same shit. i closed my account and went with a credit union. fuck banks and their fees

edit; a lot of people in atot worry about their credit scores way to much.

I worry about it only because I do things like buy houses. And cars. Have have credit cards.

I guess that wouldn't apply to very many other people here. I mean I must be in the minority, not paying cash for my car, right?

how many houses and cars do you buy in a year?

Fewer than one per year, but a credit score doesn't move quickly (at least not UP) and I'd rather have it in a good spot when I do make big purchases.

Doesn't take much to make a HUGE difference on large purchases.