YAAIROT No movie rentals on YouTube with a rooted phone/tablet

[Pliablemoose]

Yet another Android isn't really open thread...

http://www.google.com/support/androidmarket/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=1306490&topic=1100171

Google won't allow rooted phones/devices to rent movies on YouTube.

First they caved to the carriers, now they're caving to the studios, what's next?

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Q: Is Android Open
A: Can I go to this website and download source code

http://source.android.com/source/index.html

If yes, then yes Android is actually open.

Next, are you REALLY blaming Google for what the Entertainment companies want. What do you want Google to do, use their clout to make companies do things their way ? But then, BOOM Google is accused to being Evil and another Apple like company.

It was either this, or no movies at all.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Q: Is Android Open
A: Can I go to this website and download source code

http://source.android.com/source/index.html

If yes, then yes Android is actually open.

How's that HoneyComb download working out for you?

 

[NikolaeVarius]

How's that HoneyComb download working out for you?

So you admit that you're wrong? Honeycomb was a special case, and it's going to get released eventually. Stay on topic and attempt to blame google for this per your OP.

 

[Pliablemoose]

So you admit that you're wrong? Honeycomb was a special case, and it's going to get released eventually. Stay on topic and attempt to blame google for this per your OP.

I have a bridge I'd like to sell, how much money do you have?

Seriously, with Android's explosive growth, and problems that have ensued, the only solution is to lock down the OS tighter and tighter.

How is my pointing out that the HC's code wasn't released an admission that Android is open?

I'm pointing out the exact opposite. Google changed the rules and you-all bought right into it.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

I have a bridge I'd like to sell, how much money do you have?

Seriously, with Android's explosive growth, and problems that have ensued, the only solution is to lock down the OS tighter and tighter.

How is my pointing out that the HC's code wasn't released an admission that Android is open?

I'm pointing out the exact opposite. Google changed the rules and you-all bought right into it.

So you're going to start completely ignoring the fact that this was not under googles control and turn it into another "android isn't open thread" huh?

Explain the different ways Android OS control has gotten tighter. Can I simply not download a Gingerbread source code anymore? Is Google preventing certain devs from using Gingerbread? Is Google putting methods to stop all methods of root or locking phones they have direct control over?

http://source.android.com/source/downloading.html

Gasp, I can download the source, I WONDER WHAT OPEN SOURCE MEANS. As for Honeycomb, yes everyone knows its still closed source. However, if you want to attempt to put some malicious reason behind it rather than an admission that the honeycomb code simply wasn't mature enough to release yet, I'm willing to listen to your hypothesis.

And explain how google changed the rules. You say things and don't explain what you mean by them. Did Google have some movie rental policy before this that they changed? Were movie rentals through Android Market allowed on rooted devices before this? I mean, if they really hated rooted phones, why not prevent them from accessing the market? Or what about Google Music, which they have direct control over, are they preventing rooted users from using that?

So yes, please explain how the rules have changed.

 

[Pliablemoose]

So you're going to start completely ignoring the fact that this was not under googles control and turn it into another "android isn't open thread" huh?

Explain the different ways Android OS control has gotten tighter. Can I simply not download a Gingerbread source code anymore? Is Google preventing certain devs from using Gingerbread? Is Google putting methods to stop all methods of root or locking phones they have direct control over?

http://source.android.com/source/downloading.html

Gasp, I can download the source, I WONDER WHAT OPEN SOURCE MEANS. As for Honeycomb, yes everyone knows its still closed source. However, if you want to attempt to put some malicious reason behind it rather than an admission that the honeycomb code simply wasn't mature enough to release yet, I'm willing to listen to your hypothesis.

And explain how google changed the rules. You say things and don't explain what you mean by them. Did Google have some movie rental policy before this that they changed? Were movie rentals through Android Market allowed on rooted devices before this? I mean, if they really hated rooted phones, why not prevent them from accessing the market? Or what about Google Music, which they have direct control over, are they preventing rooted users from using that?

So yes, please explain how the rules have changed.

How can you in your post rant about how Android is open and admit in the same post it's closed?

 

[NikolaeVarius]

How can you in your post rant about how Android is open and admit in the same post it's closed?

So, once again you ignore the rest of the post with its half dozen arguments in order to attempt to defend yourself.

Android is open, every single version up to now, except for Honeycomb, has had it's source code released. Ice Cream will have it's source code released. So I don't know if you're trying to make the argument that I'm drinking the Kool-aid or something, but I'm exactly aware of what is going on. Yes, the single version Honeycomb is closed. But unless you're arguing that a single version that google admitted wasn't prime time that remains closed, somehow now makes Android as a whole closed, I really can't say anything to counter the dumb.


So how about you make some counter arguments instead of making some weak defensive arguments in order to attempt to hold onto your non existent argument

 

[Pliablemoose]

So, once again you ignore the rest of the post with its half dozen arguments in order to attempt to defend yourself.

Android is open, every single version up to now, except for Honeycomb, has had it's source code released. Ice Cream will have it's source code released. So I don't know if you're trying to make the argument that I'm drinking the Kool-aid or something, but I'm exactly aware of what is going on. Yes, the single version Honeycomb is closed. But unless you're arguing that a single version that google admitted wasn't prime time that remains closed, somehow now makes Android as a whole closed, I really can't say anything to counter the dumb.


So how about you make some counter arguments instead of making some weak defensive arguments in order to attempt to hold onto your non existent argument

Christ, and I thought Apple fans were a PITA...

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Christ, and I thought Apple fans were a PITA...

Still haven't made a counter argument I see. Anything at all to support your position that Google is being evil. Anything at all.

Calling someone a fanboy just because he is actually able to back up his arguments with actual facts and not just name calling is simply immature and you should be ashamed good sir.

So please, provide a follow up to your post that supports your position with facts. I'm waiting.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Still haven't made a counter argument I see. Anything at all to support your position that Google is being evil. Anything at all.

Calling someone a fanboy just because he is actually able to back up his arguments with actual facts and not just name calling is simply immature and you should be ashamed good sir.

So please, provide a follow up to your post that supports your position with facts. I'm waiting.

How can Android be open and closed at the same time? It can't.

The fact that you're supporting a corporation so mindlessly is more than a little frightening.

Where did I say Google is evil? It's a corporation it's amoral, only people have the ability to be good or evil.

And you haven't seen anything yet, Google will cut deals with the music & movie industry eventually and lock the platform down.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

How can Android be open and closed at the same time? It can't.

The fact that you're supporting a corporation so mindlessly is more than a little frightening.

Where did I say Google is evil? It's a corporation it's amoral, only people have the ability to be good or evil.

Sigh

Is this argument really what you're going back on? I'm still waiting for that follow up that continues to support your OP rather you trying to defend yourself with these weak defensive arguments.

Android has many different versions. 1.6, 2.1, 2.2, 2.3, 3.0, 3.1 yadda yadda yadda. Every single one of these versions except for honeycomb has its source code available to download. Are you arguing that the single version, that can't even be used on normal phones, somehow makes the entirety of Android Closed? You're trying to argue that I'M arguing that Android is both open and closed, but I'm simply not.

Android as a whole is supposed to be an open sourced platform. A single version, which is going to get released when it's finished does not make an entire platform closed. Stop trying to twist my words around. Even IF somehow you win the argument that Android can't be both open and closed, even though its non nonsensical to say such a thing because the fact that I can download the source for every single OS on phones, there really isn't an impact to that argument.

Such an argument doesn't mean you win anything in your original post. All you win is some issue of whether or not an exception makes an entire platform description invalid. And that wasn't the topic of the original OP anyway.

So please, instead of making weak defensive arguments, please continue to explain your original post. I have inquired several times about this, and yet you have not yet continued your line of reasoning from the first post.

You say I'm blind for supporting such a corporation mindlessly. But I think I've laid out many arguments that make your OP completely invalid. Aren't YOU the one who is blindly hating because you can't support your OP and rather resort to weak defensive arguments? Facts does not make you into a blind supporter.

And as for your last point, complete conjecture. Find me a single shred of evidence for that claim. I still ask you to show me how Android has closed itself off as because of this movie deal. Or can I also claim " You haven't seen anything yet. Tomorrow Steve Jobs will announce that anyone who jailbreaks an iPhone will get killed by an app that installs itself on the iPhone and strangles you with the charging cable"

 

[Anubis]

i read this earlier and my only response was

"since when can you rent movies on youtube?"

 

[abaez]

3.0 is closed (for whatever reason), but 3.1 will be fully released.

Bad thing about it is just that people will cling to the 3.0 version being closed to argue that all of Android is closed.

 

[Pliablemoose]

i read this earlier and my only response was

"since when can you rent movies on youtube?"

http://www.youtube.com/movies

3.0 is closed (for whatever reason), but 3.1 will be fully released.

Bad thing about it is just that people will cling to the 3.0 version being closed to argue that all of Android is closed.

What concerns me is that not releasing HC is a very bad precedent, I've had every version of Android on my stuff since 1.0, all released. And the rumors I'm hearing is that Android will be more and more locked down.

 

[YoungGun21]

I'm sure there will be a workaround for those dumb enough to want to use this.

 

[boomhower]

I could care less. One, I would never rent a movie solely to watch on a phone. Two, Netflix.

 

[Bateluer]

I could care less. One, I would never rent a movie solely to watch on a phone. Two, Netflix.

This.

Anyone seriously considering renting a movie on Youtube for 3.99 is an idiot.

 

[s44]

I would never rent a movie solely to watch on a phone.

Given that all new higher-end Androids have HDMI out and DLNA server apps, you wouldn't be.

 

[iahk]

I really don't think google would even be close to where they are now if they didn't negotiate with studios and carriers. I seriously don't think this has anything to do with google being open or not. It's a matter of them not allowing rooted users view rentals due to the studios putting that into play or google not having a rental service period.

Look at it this way, if they didn't follow the studio's rules, you wouldn't be complaining about this in the first place.

If they didn't follow the carrier rules, you wouldn't have android to complain about in the first place.

 

[zerocool84]

Umm you do realize this isn't Google's decision but the MPAA??? Plus you always bring up the Honeycomb source code thingy all the time even when they said already that they're not releasing it because it's not finished. Allowing movies on things without copy protection, in one second the MPAA would yank their rights.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Umm you do realize this isn't Google's decision but the MPAA??? Plus you always bring up the Honeycomb source code thingy all the time even when they said already that they're not releasing it because it's not finished.

Yes, I bring up HC all the time, because it's good enough to launch an entire generation of tablets with the manufacturers they approve... but not good enough to release????

 

[tatteredpotato]

Android is open, gapps aren't. Video rentals are in the gapps domain. Google is doing this to appease studios.

As for HC... isn't Google releasing the source eventually? I thought the logic was to get the XOOM to market faster Moto worked closely with Google and thus the initial build of HC was very XOOM centric. There's nothing wrong with Google wanting to do some clean up of the code before release.

 

[Pliablemoose]

HC has been released on several platforms now...

Iconia Tab A100 & A500
Slider
Transformer
MeMo
XOOM
Galaxy Tab 8.9
Galaxy Tab 10.1
Thrive

 

[zoiks]

As for HC... isn't Google releasing the source eventually?

Apparently the OP can't get that thru his thick head. Google also specified the reasons why they did not want the HC source to be available but I guess that was overlooked by by Applebies and the OP alike who like to sling blatant accusations without looking at the whole picture.