YA 9/11 Thread, but this time with new stuff

PurdueRy

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And to add to that, those Loose Change guys need to learn how to debate. Acting like complete asshats on TV is not a good way to get people on your side. Keeping your cool and making sensible arguments is.
 

PurdueRy

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I love how they go from saying that they should have shot down the plane that cheney knew was coming then to the argument that a plane couldn't have crashed into the pentagon and therefore it MUST HAVE BEEN A CRUISE MISSLE!!!!one11!!OMGWTF

Yes, I know I am posting too much but I love seeing people make themselves look like idiots.
 

dug777

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I can't believe that someone hasn't stabbed those idiots to death with a rusty spork.
 
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I really dont think they believe anything they are saying. I think they are just trying to get famous and they have succeeded...its the dumb people that believe them that are the problem :)
 

Journer

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OMFG BUSH IS A FREE MASON WE ALL DIE AHHHHHHHHHHHH

lol i liked the loose change doc...didnt agree with some things, but they posed good questions...
 
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Originally posted by: sadguy
here's a new one:


One of the top demolition experts in the world is shocked at WTC7's collapse and says it was a controlled demolition. Watch his disbelief when told WTC#7 fell on the same day as the twin towers. It then hits him that 9/11 was an inside job:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uqrn5x2_f6Q

Jowenko's credentials:
http://www.jowenko.nl/

sure it was controlled demolition...and no one working there ever noticed them planting thousands of explosives and everyone who worked doing it has kept totally silent :)
 

dwell

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Ha. Those kids got owned. The Popular Mechanics guys just laid the facts and all the dumb kids did was get pissed of and say, "MAN THE GOBERMENT LIED!"
 

EagleKeeper

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It is a conspiracy:p. the show had to have been rigged to show them in bad light.
 

PurdueRy

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
It is a conspiracy:p. the show had to have been rigged to show them in bad light.

What disturbs me is all the people on youtube that think that the PM guys lost the debate...

I am ashamed to be similar in age to these loose change people.
 

Feldenak

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Originally posted by: PurdueRy
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
It is a conspiracy:p. the show had to have been rigged to show them in bad light.

What disturbs me is all the people on youtube that think that the PM guys lost the debate...

I am ashamed to be similar in age to these loose change people.

Intellectual debate is a disappearing art. :(
 

Queasy

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I like how this is the first thing that comes out of the mouths of the 9/11 "Truthers":

JASON BERMAS: I'd just like to thank you for the opportunity to take on the government's lies and Popular Mechanics, which is a Hearst yellow journalism publication?s lies, as well.

All credibility is just shot out the window right there. Their entire interview was pretty much them calling the Popular Mechanics guys liars while the Popular Mechanics guys were making their case with facts.

One of the Popular Mechanics guys ran an Op-Ed in the NY Post afterwards.

September 12, 2006 -- ON Feb. 7, 2005, I became a member of the Bush/Halliburton/Zionist/CIA/New World Order/Illuminati conspiracy for world domination. That day, Popular Mechanics, the magazine I edit, hit newsstands with a story debunking 9/11 conspiracy theories. Within hours, the online community of 9/11 conspiracy buffs - which calls itself the "9/11 Truth Movement" - was aflame with wild fantasies about me, my staff and the article we had published. Conspiracy Web sites labeled Popular Mechanics a "CIA front organization" and compared us to Nazis and war criminals.
For a 104-year-old magazine about science, technology, home improvement and car maintenance, this was pretty extreme stuff. What had we done to provoke such outrage?

Research.

Conspiracy theories alleging that 9/11 was a U.S. government operation are rapidly infiltrating the mainstream. These notions are advanced by hundreds of books, over a million Web pages and even in some college classrooms. The movie "Loose Change," a slick roundup of popular conspiracy claims, has become an Internet sensation.

Worse, these fantasies are gaining influence on the international stage. French author Thierry Meyssan's "The Big Lie," which argues that the U.S. military orchestrated the attacks, was a bestseller in France, and his claims have been widely repeated in European and Middle Eastern media. And recent surveys reveal that, even in moderate Muslim countries such as Turkey and Jordan, majorities of the public believe that no Arab terrorists were involved in the attacks.

"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion," Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan was fond of saying. "He is not entitled to his own facts." Yet conspiracy theorists want to pick and choose which facts to believe.

Rather than grapple with the huge preponderance of evidence in support of the mainstream view of 9/11, they tend to focus on a handful of small anomalies that they believe cast doubt on the conventional account. These anomalies include the claim that the hole in the Pentagon was too small to have been made by a commercial jet (but just right for a cruise missile); that the Twin Towers were too robustly built to have been destroyed by the jet impacts and fires (so they must have been felled by explosives), and more. If true, these and similar assertions would cast serious doubt on the mainstream account of 9/11.

But they're not true. Popular Mechanics has been fact-checking such claims since late 2004, and recently published a book on the topic. We've pored over transcripts, flight logs and blueprints, and interviewed more than 300 sources - including engineers, aviation experts, military officials, eyewitnesses and members of investigative teams.

In every single case, we found that the very facts used by conspiracy theorists to support their fantasies are mistaken, misunderstood or deliberately falsified.

Here's one example: Meyssan and hundreds of Web sites cite an eyewitness who said the craft that hit the Pentagon looked "like a cruise missile with wings." Here's what that witness, a Washington, D.C., broadcaster named Mike Walter, actually told CNN: "I looked out my window and I saw this plane, this jet, an American Airlines jet, coming. And I thought, 'This doesn't add up. It's really low.' And I saw it. I mean, it was like a cruise missile with wings. It went right there and slammed right into the Pentagon."

We talked to Walter and, like so many of the experts and witnesses widely quoted by conspiracy theorists, he told us he is heartsick to see the way his words have been twisted: "I struggle with the fact that my comments will forever be taken out of context."

Here's another: An article in the American Free Press claims that a seismograph at Columbia University's Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory picked up signals indicating that large bombs were detonated in the towers. The article quotes Columbia geologist Won-Young Kim and certainly looks authoritative. Yet the truth on this issue is not hard to find. A published Lamont-Doherty report on the seismic record of 9/11 says no such thing. Kim told Popular Mechanics that the publication's interpretation of his research was "categorically incorrect." Yet the claim is repeated verbatim on more than 50 Web sites as well as in the film "Loose Change."

Every 9/11 conspiracy theory we investigated was based on similarly shoddy evidence. Most of these falsehoods are easy to refute simply by checking the original source material or talking to experts in the relevant fields. And yet even the flimsiest claims are repeated constantly in conspiracy circles, passed from Web site to book to Web site in an endless daisy chain. And any witness, expert - or publication - that tries to set the record straight is immediately vilified as being part of the conspiracy.

The American public has every right to ask hard questions about 9/11. And informed skepticism about government and media can be healthy. But skepticism needs to be based on facts, not fallacies. Unfortunately, for all too many, conspiratorial fantasies offer a seductive alternative to grappling with the hard realities of a post-9/11 world.

James B. Meigs is editor-in-chief of Popular Mechanics. The magazine's new book, "Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can't Stand up to the Facts," is just out.
 

Amused

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I've seen a lot of stupidity in my life. Hell, I've even committed some of it. But this 9/11 conspiracy bullsh!t stands out as the largest case of widespread stupidity I've seen in a long time.

This debate needs to be seen repeatedly by the poor suckers who were ignorantly duped by this Loose Change nonsense.
 

lokiju

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Man I'm about half way through the second video and these lose change guys are just mind set on their agenda and will never ever admit to anything else being the case.

They don't want to look at the facts, they want to believe what they believe and that it.