XP64 Bit

[indtram]

Probably an oft repeated observation!!

I have upgraded my M/c to AMD Athlon64Bit, ASUS k8V-MX Mother Board and 1 GB Ram, 80 GB SATA Hdd.

I was wondering if it is worth it to go in for Windows 64 Bit ??

Are there any driver issues with it ???

I have Samsung Color Laser Printer, any driver issues with that ???

OR it makes sense sticking to Windows XP professional !!

Seeking Suggestions PLEASE.

Thanx

 

[Schadenfroh]

Read this thread

 

[thirdeye]

I've been running it for well over 6 months with no issues. Only thing I can't use still is my scanner, but it's way old anyways.

 

[Maximilian]

Short answer: no

Windows vista is coming soon anyways, xp-64 will probably be forgotten about, like 2000 was when xp came along.

 

[DBSX]

Short answer: no

Windows vista is coming soon anyways, xp-64 will probably be forgotten about, like 2000 was when xp came along.

I don't think Windows 2000 was ever "forgotten about" there is still a sizable base of people using Windows 2000. Granted, XP gets all the "buzz" but 2000 is still a very viable system.

Having said that, unless you have a need to address 4GB of RAM than I am not sure XP x64 would be "worth it" necessarily. Most newer hardware and software should work without much issue, though some security software and utilities doesn't work properly.

If you are not sure if what you have will work, you can download or order x64 Trial from Microsoft and try it out.

\Dan

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: DBSX

Short answer: no

Windows vista is coming soon anyways, xp-64 will probably be forgotten about, like 2000 was when xp came along.

I don't think Windows 2000 was ever "forgotten about" there is still a sizable base of people using Windows 2000. Granted, XP gets all the "buzz" but 2000 is still a very viable system.

Having said that, unless you have a need to address 4GB of RAM than I am not sure XP x64 would be "worth it" necessarily. Most newer hardware and software should work without much issue, though some security software and utilities doesn't work properly.

If you are not sure if what you have will work, you can download or order x64 Trial from Microsoft and try it out.

\Dan

Well said. Drivers are the biggest issue facing XP x64 users. The second issue are certain programs like mIRC do not work since they have some legacy 16BIT code still left in them. MS Has canceled 16BIT support for all 64BIT OS'.

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: DBSX

Short answer: no

Windows vista is coming soon anyways, xp-64 will probably be forgotten about, like 2000 was when xp came along.

I don't think Windows 2000 was ever "forgotten about" there is still a sizable base of people using Windows 2000. Granted, XP gets all the "buzz" but 2000 is still a very viable system.

Having said that, unless you have a need to address 4GB of RAM than I am not sure XP x64 would be "worth it" necessarily. Most newer hardware and software should work without much issue, though some security software and utilities doesn't work properly.

If you are not sure if what you have will work, you can download or order x64 Trial from Microsoft and try it out.

\Dan

Well said. Drivers are the biggest issue facing XP x64 users. The second issue are certain programs like mIRC do not work since they have some legacy 16BIT code still left in them. MS Has canceled 16BIT support for all 64BIT OS'.

mIRC works fine.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: ViRGE

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: DBSX

Short answer: no

Windows vista is coming soon anyways, xp-64 will probably be forgotten about, like 2000 was when xp came along.

I don't think Windows 2000 was ever "forgotten about" there is still a sizable base of people using Windows 2000. Granted, XP gets all the "buzz" but 2000 is still a very viable system.

Having said that, unless you have a need to address 4GB of RAM than I am not sure XP x64 would be "worth it" necessarily. Most newer hardware and software should work without much issue, though some security software and utilities doesn't work properly.

If you are not sure if what you have will work, you can download or order x64 Trial from Microsoft and try it out.

\Dan

Well said. Drivers are the biggest issue facing XP x64 users. The second issue are certain programs like mIRC do not work since they have some legacy 16BIT code still left in them. MS Has canceled 16BIT support for all 64BIT OS'.

mIRC works fine.

That's good to know. I should know better not to do it*, but I was just re-quoting what was said in the official XP64 thread.


*I always check my information before I post it. (99% of the time)

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: ViRGE

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: DBSX

Short answer: no

Windows vista is coming soon anyways, xp-64 will probably be forgotten about, like 2000 was when xp came along.

I don't think Windows 2000 was ever "forgotten about" there is still a sizable base of people using Windows 2000. Granted, XP gets all the "buzz" but 2000 is still a very viable system.

Having said that, unless you have a need to address 4GB of RAM than I am not sure XP x64 would be "worth it" necessarily. Most newer hardware and software should work without much issue, though some security software and utilities doesn't work properly.

If you are not sure if what you have will work, you can download or order x64 Trial from Microsoft and try it out.

\Dan

Well said. Drivers are the biggest issue facing XP x64 users. The second issue are certain programs like mIRC do not work since they have some legacy 16BIT code still left in them. MS Has canceled 16BIT support for all 64BIT OS'.

mIRC works fine.

That's good to know. I should know better not to do it*, but I was just re-quoting what was said in the official XP64 thread.


*I always check my information before I post it. (99% of the time)

You haven't read the thread in a while then, mIRC was fixed and I edited out that comment about 8 months ago.

 

[EndGame]

I've got 64 bit XP and I'm also running the latest Vista beta I received from MS. I like 64 bit XP for phot work and encoding and gaming, but imho, at this point, wait for Vista. I was apprehensive about installing the beta and put it on a system I don't use that much with only 1GB of ram. I can tell you that you will need at least that with 2GB's being better, but, imho, it IS worth it. So far Vista beta is very stable, very fast and nothing like XP. You'll just have to try it and see. One thing I really like is start up/shut down is extremely fast.

 

[Madwand1]

I don't believe that Vista will somehow magically cause 64-bit drivers to appear. It's going to have a 32-bit version, and the same issues will apply.

XP-64 drivers also tend to work in Vista-64, so if you're hoping to get support in Vista, you might as well push the hardware vendors now. It's basically the same problem.

I'd say that the real differences start to be felt with > 3GB RAM. /3GB covers up to 3 GB (per-application address space). Beyond that, you need either very painful-to-write software, or 64-bit.

64-bit also lets you have >2 TB on one volume. Maybe I'll set up a 2.1 TB array next week just so that I can say that I've actually used it...

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: Madwand1
I don't believe that Vista will somehow magically cause 64-bit drivers to appear. It's going to have a 32-bit version, and the same issues will apply.

XP-64 drivers also tend to work in Vista-64, so if you're hoping to get support in Vista, you might as well push the hardware vendors now. It's basically the same problem.

I'd say that the real differences start to be felt with > 3GB RAM. /3GB covers up to 3 GB (per-application address space). Beyond that, you need either very painful-to-write software, or 64-bit.

64-bit also lets you have >2 TB on one volume. Maybe I'll set up a 2.1 TB array next week just so that I can say that I've actually used it...

As part of an Initiave, Mr Gates has been working with hardware companies to make sure drivers from all companies are ready by the time Windows Vista arrives. So chaces are you will have a driver for your hardware, just as long as the piece of hardware does not use the ISA bus.

 

[RebateMonger]

Originally posted by: Googer
As part of an Initiave, Mr Gates has been working with hardware companies to make sure drivers from all companies are ready by the time Windows Vista arrives. So chaces are you will have a driver for your hardware, just as long as the piece of hardware does not use the ISA bus.

I hope it all works better than the last couple of OS releases. My take is that hardware makers START WORKING on the new drivers the day that a new OS is actually sold. Six months later, the (buggy) drivers start showing up.

Unless it's an HP printer. In which case there will NEVER BE drivers for the new OS.

 

[Madwand1]

Originally posted by: Googer

As part of an Initiave, Mr Gates has been working with hardware companies to make sure drivers from all companies are ready by the time Windows Vista arrives. So chaces are you will have a driver for your hardware, just as long as the piece of hardware does not use the ISA bus.

Please correct me if I'm missing something about how prevelent Vista-64 is going to be or new motivation for Vista-64 over Vista-32.

How do you convince every hardware vendor that they have to produce 64-bit drivers for home users, etc,. when there actually isn't a good reason for doing so? Financial reasoning works best of course -- what's in it for anyone to push 64-bit windows when there isn't a real customer need for it? Will everyone need to have 4 GB RAM for Vista? Is ma & pa going to cough up for it? Are you going to be able to sell $300 computers with it?

32-bit drivers, sure. 64-bit? Microsoft has a long-established history of differentiating home and advanced users, and minimizing the requirements and capability of the home users. It's only with XP that we saw things significantly changing, and even then, there's a "home" version that's not quite as capable as the "pro" version. Win-64 is decidedly "pro", and I think Vista-64 will be the same -- again, unless I'm missing something, there's no real difference there between Vista and XP regarding 32-bit vs 64-bit versions.

 

[Madwand1]

OK, I'll partly correct myself -- I see that although MS hasn't crossed the line and made 64-bit a solid requirement for Vista, they are pushing 64-bit processors for it strongly.

I'd like better support for 64-bit drivers, but if there's some advantage for Ma & Pa and poor uncle Bob to run Vista on older hardware, then I'd prefer the flexibility for 32-bit support.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: Madwand1

Originally posted by: Googer

As part of an Initiave, Mr Gates has been working with hardware companies to make sure drivers from all companies are ready by the time Windows Vista arrives. So chaces are you will have a driver for your hardware, just as long as the piece of hardware does not use the ISA bus.

Please correct me if I'm missing something about how prevelent Vista-64 is going to be or new motivation for Vista-64 over Vista-32.

How do you convince every hardware vendor that they have to produce 64-bit drivers for home users, etc,. when there actually isn't a good reason for doing so? Financial reasoning works best of course -- what's in it for anyone to push 64-bit windows when there isn't a real customer need for it? Will everyone need to have 4 GB RAM for Vista? Is ma & pa going to cough up for it? Are you going to be able to sell $300 computers with it?

32-bit drivers, sure. 64-bit? Microsoft has a long-established history of differentiating home and advanced users, and minimizing the requirements and capability of the home users. It's only with XP that we saw things significantly changing, and even then, there's a "home" version that's not quite as capable as the "pro" version. Win-64 is decidedly "pro", and I think Vista-64 will be the same -- again, unless I'm missing something, there's no real difference there between Vista and XP regarding 32-bit vs 64-bit versions.

There will be at leat 6 to 9 differant versions of Widows Vista and that is a confirmed fact.

As for the drivers I know Gates has provided some sort of incentive, I do not think it is financial but I am not 100% sure what it is he is doing about it.

Here is a chart showing the features of each of the versions of Vista. What a F******G nightmare this will be when it is released.(Screen Shot Taken from Paul Thurott's Win Supersite)

 

[Googer]

http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_editions.asp

 

[ProviaFan]

What a f___ing terrible idea! Besides, if they're going to make that many editions (not to mention an "Enterprise" one), they should at least make one of them with support for 4+ CPUs; I can't imagine why Microsoft would want to make users of 4 socket boards with PCI-Express (such as the Tyan K8QW) run a server OS if they want to do high-end workstation tasks.

 

[Navid]

Originally posted by: DBSX
If you are not sure if what you have will work, you can download or order x64 Trial from Microsoft and try it out.
\Dan

Is there a way to get the beta version of Vista to try that out?

 

[justlnluck]

So what is the deal with Athlon64 processors? Many of us own some derivative of an "Athlon64". Weren't we supposed to see some benefits? Where are they?