XP Palomino or Throughbred?

[lXl]

hi guys,
im a newbie here sorry if this topic is alrdy posted. i plainin to buy a new cpu for my msi-kt333 mobo and dont know which to buy a palomino or a t-bred core cpu. can u tell me wat is the different between the core? Thnx U

 

[ChampionAtTufshop]

palomino=.18micron
tbred both A and B =.13micron

if you are looking for overclockability then i would get a xp2400+ (tbred) or xp1600+ (palomino with agoia 0213 stepping)

the new xp2700+ and newer have 333mhz fsb whereas all palominos and up to 2600+ tbred have 266mhz fsb (afaik from amd website, but i thought i saw newegg before advertising xp2600+ with 333mhz fsb...)


http://www.lostcircuits.com/cpu/xp_2200/2.shtml

 

[RU482]

how well does the XP1700+ .13 that newegg has overclock? Assuming I have a copper heatsink and good cooling

 

[JSSheridan]

First, welcome to the forums. There are two flavors of the T'bred 2600, one with a clock speed of 2.13GHz and a 266MHz FSB and the other with a 2.083GHz clock and a 333MHz FSB. Everything that came after the 2600 comes with a 333MHz FSB. Good luck buying your CPU. Peace.

 

[Soulkeeper]

i would expect those lower end T-breds (1700+ to 2000+) to overclock very well
especially once the yeilds start getting better
i am assuming they are T-bred B cores but who knows..
I still rather have a T-bred A core than a palomino core tho

 

[jaybee]

Originally posted by: Soulkeeper
i would expect those lower end T-breds (1700+ to 2000+) to overclock very well
especially once the yeilds start getting better
i am assuming they are T-bred B cores but who knows..
I still rather have a T-bred A core than a palomino core tho

2400+ and up are B, under 2400+ are A (or Pals).

jaybee

 

[lXl]

thnx for replyin

 

[chizow]

Yah everything said above is correct. 2200+ and below are T-bred A's, don't expect T-bred B's in those models anytime soon though, they are still having problems filling their supply of 2400+ and greater CPUs.

As for T-bred A vs. late stepping Pal's, it really depends on your cooling solution. People have reported insane temps with their T-bred A's at the same speeds they got with their AGOIA pals, @ 1.8ghz. I have a 1700+ T-bred A, but also have a very nice Copper HSF (Alpha Pal8045) and an 80mm fan on it, so it actually runs much cooler than my 1800+ Pal at a higher clockspeed. It probably has to do with the much smaller die size on the T-breds, but you can expect to achieve around 1.8ghz with both. Only other consideration is that the T-bred A's don't have the laser cut pits in them, which makes changing the multiplier much easier.

Chiz

 

[Soulkeeper]

jaybee, well that was the plan...
but it would seem more efficient for AMD to transition the same core to all it's models whith only yeilds and verifications separating them

yeah if they do move them all to T-bred B it prob won't be soon. but who really knows

 

[JSSheridan]

Originally posted by: Anand Lal Shimpi here, bottom of page 3
All Thoroughbred cores will begin being manufactured to the new Revision B specifications...

That would mean that none of the CPU's being shipped out are T'bred A's, and once the OEM's and retailers have distributed them all, there won't be anymore. Peace.

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: JSSheridan

Originally posted by: Anand Lal Shimpi here, bottom of page 3
All Thoroughbred cores will begin being manufactured to the new Revision B specifications...

That would mean that none of the CPU's being shipped out are T'bred A's, and once the OEM's and retailers have distributed them all, there won't be anymore. Peace.

I read that article as well, and that line was the lasting image I had in my brain. Forced me to hastily buy a 1700+ T-bred thinking it was a Rev. B, but that wasn't the case. AMD will eventually get around to ugprading their fab process, but that costs money and resources, something that AMD is currently short of. Both the 1700+ and now 1800+ arrived after the 2400+ (Rev. B), so they are obviously being fabbed currently. My guess is that these T-bred A cores are lower yield chips from mobile lines and the 2100+ and 2200+ T-breds. Since AMD is having a tough time filling the demand for their 2400+ and higher models, I don't expect Rev. B's to be trickling down to these lower models anytime soon. Don't go out buying 1700+ and 1800+ chips until they are confirmed by their stock number, voltage, and to a lesser degree, the stepping. Check out that article over at www.overclockers.com for more info.

Chiz

Chiz

 

[Soulkeeper]

wow so we're all pretty much saying the same damn thing
i love these forums......