XP issues with old Ti-4200 vid card?

novice

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I posted this in the video forum and haven't received any responses, so I thought I would try it here in the hope that someone else may offer some suggestions.
I just swapped out the motherboard and cpu from my youngest son's system upgrading him form an Intel PIII 866 to a Shuttle AN35N N-Force 400 Ultra with XP-1700 T-Bred. I did a clean install of XP Home after reformatting the C drive. XP installed its' own driver for the MSI Geforce 4 Ti-4200 video card, and everything seemed to be okay, until we tried to play Call of Duty, and it gave us the "no Open GL" and could not run. We have tried repeatedly to remove the driver for the vid card and install different ones, both new from Nvidia's website, as well as older "tried and true" drivers like the 45.23 detonators. It seems like XP auto loads its' own driver and overwrites whatever we try to install. The frustration is that the old INtel 815 chipset board with Win2K ran it just fine, while the new improved faster system with more up to date OS can't even run it. Any ideas or suggestions? I can't keep staying up until 2:00 a.m. trying to get it to work Thanks for any suggestions.
 

Stumps

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you need to set the Video driver to VGA first, although you should have been still able to install the Nvidia drivers even when the MS drivers is used

you need to install nvidia's reference drivers....the 45 series detonators are the best for the GF3/4 TI series.

MS's drivers don't support OpenGL.
 

novice

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Thanks for the reply stumps. But as I said in the original post:
We have tried repeatedly to remove the driver for the vid card and install different ones, both new from Nvidia's website, as well as older "tried and true" drivers like the 45.23 detonators. It seems like XP auto loads its' own driver and overwrites whatever we try to install. The frustration is that the old INtel 815 chipset board with Win2K ran it just fine, while the new improved faster system with more up to date OS can't even run it. Any ideas or suggestions? I can't keep staying up until 2:00 a.m. trying to get it to work Thanks for any suggestions.

Is there some kind of "autoload" feature in Windows XP that automatically installs MS drivers at boot up? Can it be turned off so the reference drivers can be installed and stay installed?
 

Bozo Galora

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Yeah, its called windows file protection WFP - sometimes it never lets go, ESPECIALLY WQHL signed drivers.
There are ways to disable it, and software that does it with a batch type file, but its kind of techie stuff
http://www.bitsum.com/aboutwfp.asp
There is a quickie reg tweak method, but it really doesnt work

However, your best shot is to go in safe mode and remove THE CARD from device manager (AND any "ghost" cards), then go to add remove and delete nvidia stuff if still there after that. Then go in registry (type regedit in run command) and do a search for anything nvidia on WHOLE registry and delete them all, including root folders.
Then reboot, and you will get the new hardware found, but immediately cancel out of that - no matter what it says - do not search for drivers or allow to load its own. You should be in VGA mode. Basic VGA after normal boot and new HW found = success.
Then do the nvidia .exe thingy OR if the card is now showing as unknown in Dev Manager, do a driver update. Right click extract the .exe to a folder you name "drivers" or something, and point the update to the driver folder.
I seem to recall 77.77 drivers worked well with 4200

And I'm not a big gamer, but I believe certain games can be set in options to OGL or DirX

The funny part is that MS has carried it foward to Vista - its now WRP (Windows Resource Protection)

Edit:
http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?cat=10&sort=&page=2
 

novice

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Thanks, Bozo. That was the type of reply iwas hoping for. Gives me something else to try, at least. If all else fails, I guess I can reload Windows 2000, and go from there.
 

novice

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Thanks again, Bozo. I was able to get the 77.77 drivers installed and now it is running Open GL just fine. Appreciate your help.