XP can't see 98

[Poda]

I have 2 computers connected to a modem through a hub. Each has their own IP and accesses the internet simultaneously fine. However, they can't see each other on a network. 98 can't see XP and XP can't see 98. All I actually need is XP to see 98. I've tried XP's setup wizard, still no luck. I've tried adding different protocols I read about like NetBeui, but that did nothing either.

I'm pretty much out of answers. Does anyone know of a way to make XP see the 98 machine?

 

[bruceb]

Poda .. please see this link ... it gives step by step what you need to do to get them to talk to each other.

http://www.windowsnetworking.c...utorials/wxpwin9x.html

 

[Poda]

Hi, Bruce. I just did everything in that link, but no luck. XP will only show itself in the network neighborhood, but not the 98 machine. Any ideas?

 

[DrGreen2007]

Dont use the network neighborhood, it doesnt always work correctly.

You should be able to access the 98 PC by going to Start>Run and typing in \\98PCIPaddress\ShareName

 

[Poda]

Hi, Dr. Green. It says

The network path was not found.

 

[spidey07]

enable netbios over TCP on ALL machines connected to the hub/switch. Don't worry, what you're going though is typical. Go to www.ezlan.net and look at the sharing guide. You have to get everything exactly right and there's a lot of steps that need to be done. Also don't forget about any firewalls running on ANY machine even if you don't want them to participate in sharing.

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link
http://www.ezlan.net/sharing.html

 

[Poda]

Thanks dude. I don't know what it is. They just can't see each other for whatever reason.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Poda
Thanks dude. I don't know what it is. They just can't see each other for whatever reason.

All I can say is troubleshooting windows browsing (ability to 'see' each other) is a supreme pain and knowing what to look for can be difficult.

Also I implore you not to reboot things willy-nilly and wait at least 30 minutes to let things settle down after each change. So make changes, reboot the XP machine and let it get fully booted, then boot the 98 box.

XP should be the master browser for your workgroup but it can take some time for that to happen (30 minuts +) and rebooting machines only makes it worse.

If you have other protocols or have ever loaded other protocols things can get really fubarred, really quick. The best way to troubleshoot this is by looking at the output of "net config server" and "net config workstation" on every single machine that is attached to the hub/switch. Just because you haven't enabled sharing on other machines doesn't mean they aren't participating in name resolution/browsing.

 

[Poda]

Weird, dude. I had it working for a few minutes. Just to refresh I use a modem and a hub. Today, my internet went down. When that happens, the computers each get signed some bizaare ip like 192. something. The weird thing is, suddenly XP and 98 could see each other. When the internet came back though, they couldn't see each other any more . Any ideas what this could mean?

 

[DrGreen2007]

Thats not a bizarre IP, thats pretty much the standard IP type to be assigned by a home router or modem with router built in.

What IP's are they getting when they can get onto the internet?

 

[Poda]

I just disconneted the cable from the modem and let it give them the IPs 192.168.100.10 and .11.

Again, they were able to see each other.

When I hook the modem back up, they get the IPs 76.73.223.223 and 216.186.140.62.

Then they can't see each other anymore .

 

[DrGreen2007]

Looks like your modem gives the PC's actual internet IP's and your 'hub' is giving out 192.168.x.x IP's when the modem is unplugged

sounds like your hub is a router

 

[JackMDS]

Your Modem is a Modem only or a Modem/Router (post your so call modem name and model), and the same concerning the Hub.

If it ios a modem only and you can use two computers it menas that you ISP gives you two external IPs.

I.e. You do not have a private network but your computers become part of the Internet (which is highly insecure).

May be you should read this and get a starting point.

The content of the following links will provide you with a basic tutorial about Sharing Internet and using Wire & Wireless; it is short and to the point. Few of the pages were written by me ages ago. You might ignore the prices, and the specific choice of hardware, stick with the principles, they are still the same.

Basic Options for Internet Connection Sharing - http://www.anandtech.com/guides/viewfaq.aspx?i=105

Hubs, routers, switches, DSL, LANs, WANs...? - http://www.anandtech.com/guides/viewfaq.aspx?i=48

Wireless Principles - http://www.anandtech.com/guides/viewfaq.aspx?i=122

Connection Diagram With Cable/DSL Router: http://www.ezlan.net/network/router.jpg

 

[Poda]

Thanks, I'll read that. I have 3 computers hooked up actually. 2 are XP and one is 98. It's the 98 one that I can't see, but the others are ok.

 

[Poda]

Modem is a WebSTAR DPC2100R2.
Hub is http://www.networkeverywhere.com/products/nh1005.asp

 

[JackMDS]

Your HUb is a regular "Dumb" hub.

The WebSTAR DPC2100R2 seem to be a Rebadged Linksys Cable Modem.

I think that you need a Router in order to use the Internet connection with 3 computers.

Example, http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16833156038

 

[Poda]

Yeah, I might pick up a router to give a try. All 3 are on the internet simultaneously with my 3 ips, just none of them can see 98 in the network.

 

[JackMDS]

Win98 Sharing here, http://www.anandtech.com/guides/viewfaq.aspx?i=92

 

[Poda]

Ok, I have the Win98 setup like that and the NetBEUI is default. I had NetBEUI I got somewhere off the net for XP, since I can't find it when going to the add protocol since I upgraded to SP3. But, I think it might have been wrong since I couldn't do any properties on it. Do you know where I can get the NetBEUI for XP SP3?

 

[Poda]

Wow dude it works. I reread your thing about installing all 3 protocols. I figured what the heck. Now it works. Thanks for the help dude.

 

[JackMDS]

NetBEUI worked because it is does Not care about the IPs.

However if you sit directly on the Internet you expose yourself to trouble, so get a Router when you have a chance.