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XP-90c or an XP120?

Rob_63

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I am in need of another cooling setup for my 3.8 P4 775. I cannot use a Zalman 7700 due to space limitations with my case, (lian pc1200b) it will not fit due to the board overhang of the fan and the compartment wall.

So that leaves me to decide between an XP-90c or another XP-120.

Has anyone had both that can give their opinion as to which is better?

Thanks!
 
Haven't used both (or either) I am currently using a XP-90. Both of those are great Heatsinks but the XP-120 Might block your memory slots (depends on the mobo) as it extend way right and way left of the CPU. The XP-90c is supposed to be just as good as the XP-120 but only extends to the left of the CPU and not the right (which is almost never an issue but you never know till you look) its draw back is that it is a huge copper heatsingk and like all copper sinks it is alot heavier then the original, and being a huge copper heatsink it makes it quite abit heavier then most copper sinks. Honestly you probably want to go with either the XP90 (non C) or the XP-120 as the C may make your mobo bend where one shouldn't. The difference between the two is usually something like 2-3c under load.
 
I've used both (and reviewed both over at silentpcreview.com) and the XP-120 beats the XP-90 by only a few degrees. Problem with the XP-120 is it's size which can cause compatibility issues with mobo components and/or PSUs, depending on your hardware. The safe way to go is the XP-90, and unless you're really anal about your temps, you'll see no real cooling difference between it and the XP-120.
 
I currently use the XP-120. The XP-120 has a thermal resistance of 0.167, while the XP-90 is something closer to 0.18. By comparison, all of the Zalman 7x00-Cu coolers show a minimum TR value of between 0.19 and 0.24 when the fans are spinning at a realistically high enough speed.

I wrote to ThermalRight many months ago when the the XP-90"C" version was first introduced, and they suggested that the copper version was worth at most about 1 to 2C in reduction of load temperature in comparison to the original XP-90 under controlled conditions (room ambient, test-bed, etc.)

However, the latest development from ThermalRight is the successor to the XP-120, dubbed the SI-120. The SI and XP versions have the same basic design and the same basic footprint, "wingspan," and "basic" appearance. The SI version, however, has been designed to avoid incompatibility with some motherboards in current production or those which were being produced when the XP version was introduced (requiring the bending of capacitor wire-mounts for the ASUS P4C800-E mobo, for example).

The SI version weighs in at 400 grams, while the XP-120 weighed 375 grams. This is no accident, since the SI incorporates a nickel-plated copper heatsink-base that significantly improves performance, and you will find a recent review at OverClockers.com dated August 27, '05, proving that the SI version exhibits a thermal resistance of 0.14 with the 120mm fan in the test-bed spinning in the acceptable range of 2,000-plus rpm.

By comparison, three Swiftech water-cooling kits sold at Sidewindercomputers.com demonstrate thermal resistance values ranging from 0.125 through 0.15.

The recent review of the Zalman CNPS-9500 cooler tried to control all the coolers in the comparison test (including the ThermalRight XP120) to 25 CFM of fan throughput and something between 16 and 20-plus dBA in measured noise. In that test, the Zalman cooler showed a thermal resistance of 0.18 and the XP120's value was 0.20-plus, but "in the wash," they both "tied" in the evaluation.

In that comparison, one would have to make certain assumptions to judge the cooling capabilities of the Zalman, the first of which would be the assumption that thermal resistance increases linearly with higher CFM, which (obviously) would be accompanied by an increase in noise level. However, this assumption carries little certainty: there is an absolute limit of CFM beyond which an increase in CFM does not change the thermal resistance of the heatpipe cooler beyond its maximum. Since the review never reported "a maximum," we are left with about as much uncertainty as before that particular (American) review was published.

However, a review at Hartware.de -- a German tech-review web-site -- was more realistic in its comparison between the CNPS-9500 and the XP120, employing more realistic fan-speeds and CFM in its comparison between the two. It also acknowledged that the Zalman cooler trumped all others except the XP120. But the table of test results shows that at the same room ambient, the XP120 shows a load temperature of 1C lower than the CNPS-9500, when the "roughly equivalent" fan speeds are kicked up to a realistic level to test full cooling capability (as opposed to pure, 100% noiselessness.)

It should therefore be obvious that while Zalman hyped their CNPS-9500 to equal or exceed water-cooling using deceptive or meaningless graphs of temperature against fan-speed in their advertisements, we actually have concrete proof that ThermalRight's SI-120 really does perform within the "water-cooling range" of thermal resistance values. The comparison showing equivalency between the CNPS-9500 and the XP120 further substantiates this statement.

 
Thanks to those that replied, and BonzaiDuck thanks for taking the time for a very informitive post.

I have several 775 P4 rigs, and was using an XP-120 on my most recent. I am a bit anal about temps because I run Folding @ Home on them 24/7 so the cooler the better. I think after reading your post BD I will go with the Sl-120 and pass my XP 120 down to my boys 3.6 Asus rig, and my daughter will get his XP-90 for her 3.4 Intel brand rig.
 
Originally posted by: BonzaiDuck

The SI version weighs in at 400 grams, while the XP-120 weighed 375 grams. This is no accident, since the SI incorporates a nickel-plated copper heatsink-base that significantly improves performance, and you will find a recent review at OverClockers.com dated August 27, '05, proving that the SI version exhibits a thermal resistance of 0.14 with the 120mm fan in the test-bed spinning in the acceptable range of 2,000-plus rpm.

Does this Nickel plating actually help? I lapped the plating on my XP-120 down to the copper after I got it because I read in some forums that people were getting 1-3 degrees cooler temps by doing so.

I just ordered the Sl-120 so I will have a chance to compare it against the XP coolers now.
 
Originally posted by: Trucker61
Originally posted by: BonzaiDuck

The SI version weighs in at 400 grams, while the XP-120 weighed 375 grams. This is no accident, since the SI incorporates a nickel-plated copper heatsink-base that significantly improves performance, and you will find a recent review at OverClockers.com dated August 27, '05, proving that the SI version exhibits a thermal resistance of 0.14 with the 120mm fan in the test-bed spinning in the acceptable range of 2,000-plus rpm.

Does this Nickel plating actually help? I lapped the plating on my XP-120 down to the copper after I got it because I read in some forums that people were getting 1-3 degrees cooler temps by doing so.

I just ordered the Sl-120 so I will have a chance to compare it against the XP coolers now.


The nickel plating was to prevent contamination, oxidisation and rust, etc. etc.
 
XP-90C. Don't have worry about compatibility issues, plus I don't think it's necessary to shell out the extra bucks for few degrees of CPU temp reduction.
 
I have had both I can offer this:

I currently have the XP90c because it doesn't have any mobo clearance or case clearance issues like the XP120 "could" have.

I noticed this with the XP120......I am a person who upgrades a lot and the way the xp120 was oriented usually got in the way of "something" that would end up requiring me to remove it to complete my upgrade. It could be adding or removing memory, etc....

Don't get me wrong though...it cools very well when paired up with a quiet/high cfm fan. When I switched to the XP90c and a high cfm 92mm fan....I did sacrifice a little noise for a 2-4c drop in temp, but.........it doesn't get in the way of anything now.

just my $.02
 
Just make sure its compatible, im using XP-90 with my DFI and it somewhat blocks my 4th ram slot, making it a b1tch to put in the ram(because I need it for dual-channel).
 
Not if you were already considering the XP-90.

The advantage of the XP120 and SI120 are the capability to mount 120mm x25mm or 120mm x 38mm fans -- spinning slower, providing greater CFM throughput.

Many have said -- and I recommend -- a Panaflo 92mm x 25mm fan. My personal preference is for "wide range" on the fan speed if controlled either from motherboard (with SpeedFan) or a front-panel controller. So I would pick the "H1" model or however they designate their "high-speed" or "high-throughput" model. If, 70 to 80% of the time, it is only running at say 60 to 70% of full top-end speed, it should have the same noise profile as the "L1" or "M1" models.

But basically -- a Panaflo 92mm -- your choice of about three.
 
Thanks, Kensai, for the note on the nickel-plating.

If it were my choice, and my graphics adapter isn't only a half-inch or so from my CPU, I'd go with the SI-120. It has some of the features of the XP90Cu, and the size and fan-compatibility of the XP-120.

I'd pick an XP90 or 90C where the 120-models just won't fit -- either for proximity to the graphics adapter, or case-chassis issues.

Also, I would measure -- carefully -- before I decide. The Lian-Li VB-1x00 ATX/BTX compatible cases may not fit a CNPS-7700, but they MIGHT fit an XP/SI-120.

Measure twice; order once. If you can fit it, get it.
 
Well I have had the SI 120 for several days now, it is a little higher then the XP 120. Much easier to mount because the main cooling fins are farther away from the spring tabs that lock into the brackets. Without the cooling fins that run down to the base and with the incease in clearance height there is more room to manuever your fingers during installation. Comparing it to the XP the SI is relatively even in cooling performance. Maybe 1 degree warmer than the XP.
 
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