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XP 2800+ better than P4 1.7GHZ - Radeon 9800Pro

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quantass

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A few benchmarks out there have caused me some concern.

We currently use a Pentium 4 @ 1.7GHZ, 768MB RDRAM, and ATI Radeon 9800Pro 128MB, 256Bit videocard within an 4x AGP slot. We'll soon be modifying the machine to a Athlon XP 2800+ Barton @ 2.0GHZ, 512MB DDR Ram, with the same ATI Radeon 9800Pro videocard but this time in a 8X AGP slot.

My question is, how does this newer PC fair against the older P4 system? 3DMark03 gives me a 6500 score on the P4 system and Im hoping the XP system will equal or better that. We get about 40FPS in Doom 3 on the P4 at 1024x768 High Quality. From what i gather the XP 2800+ is "supposed" to be comparable to a P4 @ 2.8GHZ (or is this BS?) and so Im hoping that the faster CPU will reduce any bottleneck it could have been causing on the P4 and provide better than performance from the videocard.

Will the videocard and overall game performance be equal to or better than a P4 @1.7GHZ with the newer XP 2800+ Barton system?

The XP 2800+ Barton has a 333MHZ FSB and 512 MB DDR Ram are PC2700.

Thanks.
 
the barton 2800 will cream the 1.7ghz p4. the xp 2800+ is about as fast as a P4 2.6 with dual channel memory and hyperthreading. the performance of everything wil increase.
 
You should see an improvement playing games. RDRAM while a great technology that provided alot of memory bandwith isn't being used in desktops anymore and can be difficult to find. You should be happy with your new system once it's up and running.
 
I agree with the other posters. A P4 1.7Ghz is more like a 1400+! In just about everything you do, the difference will be like night and day.
 
Im curious. Why is the lower clocked Athlon XP 2800+ Barton that much better or comparable to a P4 @ 2.6MHZ ? How is this possible?
 
Because AMD does more work per clock. Shorter instruction pipeline.

For an analogy.... AMD drives on side roads which are shorter but have slower speeds. Intel goes straight for the freeway where it may be long and with a lot of traffic you go really fast.

-Kevin
 
you get 40fps on doom3 on high and you want to upgrade? Well, to each his own i suppose. What mobo you planning on getting?
 
ahh even my brother 1600+ kicked my 1.7 P4 in the ass by 1000 pts in 3dmark01. i regret buying the P4 ( i was using the same Ti4200 on both system )

i am sure that there will be some benchmark diffence b/w P4 1.7 and 2800+, but in term of visible changes, i'm not sure you'll notice much. i suggest you save the money and get the athlon 64 and a new video card such as 6600GT, then you might notice slight changes

i don't see a point for you to upgrade now, how is the P4 bottleneckin you in term on doom 3 performance? 40fps is pretty decent....
 
Actually i made a mistake. I'm not actually upgrading my P4 system but am upgrading my other system which is an Athlon TBird 1GHZ and giving it to a friend. It uses a Gigabyte GA-7VT600-PL Rev 1.0 motherboard with 8X AGP, 400MHZ FSB, and support for all Athlon XPs. The DDR Ram, though, is only 256MB PC2100 & 256MB PC2700 (Total: 512MB) but ill be modifying the PC2100 DDR stick to a PC2700 to match up with the XP 2800+ 333MHZ FSB capacity (if that's how this stuff works). We want this system to be at least comparable to the P4 system.

Hmm, the P4 system has 768MB ram while the Athon system has 512MB. Could this be a noticable problem for games like Doom 3?

The videocard is a ATI Radeon 9800Pro 128MB 256 Bit.
 
Originally posted by: quantass
Im curious. Why is the lower clocked Athlon XP 2800+ Barton that much better or comparable to a P4 @ 2.6MHZ ? How is this possible?
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or why not revise the question to, "Why is the higher clocked P4 @ 2.6MHZ that much worse or comparable to a Athlon XP 2800+ Barton ? How is this possible?"

🙂
 
Originally posted by: quantass
Im curious. Why is the lower clocked Athlon XP 2800+ Barton that much better or comparable to a P4 @ 2.6MHZ ? How is this possible?
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They don't make a 2.6MHz P4 do they? GHz yes. IT mostly has to do with the shorter pipelines of the AXP as well as a highier IPC (Instructions Per Clock)
 
Originally posted by: quantass
A few benchmarks out there have caused me some concern.

We currently use a Pentium 4 @ 1.7GHZ, 768MB RDRAM, and ATI Radeon 9800Pro 128MB, 256Bit videocard within an 4x AGP slot. We'll soon be modifying the machine to a Athlon XP 2800+ Barton @ 2.0GHZ, 512MB DDR Ram, with the same ATI Radeon 9800Pro videocard but this time in a 8X AGP slot.

My question is, how does this newer PC fair against the older P4 system? 3DMark03 gives me a 6500 score on the P4 system and Im hoping the XP system will equal or better that. We get about 40FPS in Doom 3 on the P4 at 1024x768 High Quality. From what i gather the XP 2800+ is "supposed" to be comparable to a P4 @ 2.8GHZ (or is this BS?) and so Im hoping that the faster CPU will reduce any bottleneck it could have been causing on the P4 and provide better than performance from the videocard.

Will the videocard and overall game performance be equal to or better than a P4 @1.7GHZ with the newer XP 2800+ Barton system?

The XP 2800+ Barton has a 333MHZ FSB and 512 MB DDR Ram are PC2700.

Thanks.
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I am seriously wondering wtf is up with my system...

your system 3dmark03 6500?

while mine being a:

athlon 2800+ 64
1 GB Mushkin 3200DDR
abit kv8 pro
9800XT
audigy2 zs
120GB 8mb cache 7,200rpm seagate
ALL DRIVERS UPDATED
I get around 6530 on 3dmark03

why do you want a need an upgrade. If my system is normal then your proc, and ram must be like super duper. Or my scores just suck.

But yes the 2800+ xp will beat that willy like a red headed stepchild, should be absolutely no problem.

Yes you will notice a difference in Doom3. With only 512mb of ram it will seem a little glitchy when you go through doors(trust me i know) I had recently just upgraded my ram to a gig and no bumps or glitches whatsoever, its wonderful. If you have the extra cash I would really try and get a gig, especially if you plan on playing Half-Life 2 or any other graphically intense game in the future.
 
3d mark score wont increase as much if any really.....cpu, memory etc has less impact on scores in 3mark 03, it is soley a graphics benchmark, 3dmark 2001 however....now that was a good overall system test an i hope 3dmark 2005 is like this
 
Originally posted by: TechJunkie95242
Originally posted by: quantass
A few benchmarks out there have caused me some concern.

We currently use a Pentium 4 @ 1.7GHZ, 768MB RDRAM, and ATI Radeon 9800Pro 128MB, 256Bit videocard within an 4x AGP slot. We'll soon be modifying the machine to a Athlon XP 2800+ Barton @ 2.0GHZ, 512MB DDR Ram, with the same ATI Radeon 9800Pro videocard but this time in a 8X AGP slot.

My question is, how does this newer PC fair against the older P4 system? 3DMark03 gives me a 6500 score on the P4 system and Im hoping the XP system will equal or better that. We get about 40FPS in Doom 3 on the P4 at 1024x768 High Quality. From what i gather the XP 2800+ is "supposed" to be comparable to a P4 @ 2.8GHZ (or is this BS?) and so Im hoping that the faster CPU will reduce any bottleneck it could have been causing on the P4 and provide better than performance from the videocard.

Will the videocard and overall game performance be equal to or better than a P4 @1.7GHZ with the newer XP 2800+ Barton system?

The XP 2800+ Barton has a 333MHZ FSB and 512 MB DDR Ram are PC2700.

Thanks.
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I am seriously wondering wtf is up with my system...

your system 3dmark03 6500?

while mine being a:

athlon 2800+ 64
1 GB Mushkin 3200DDR
abit kv8 pro
9800XT
audigy2 zs
120GB 8mb cache 7,200rpm seagate
ALL DRIVERS UPDATED
I get around 6530 on 3dmark03

why do you want a need an upgrade. If my system is normal then your proc, and ram must be like super duper. Or my scores just suck.

But yes the 2800+ xp will beat that willy like a red headed stepchild, should be absolutely no problem.

Yes you will notice a difference in Doom3. With only 512mb of ram it will seem a little glitchy when you go through doors(trust me i know) I had recently just upgraded my ram to a gig and no bumps or glitches whatsoever, its wonderful. If you have the extra cash I would really try and get a gig, especially if you plan on playing Half-Life 2 or any other graphically intense game in the future.
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3D Mark 03 is really only a graphics card benchmark (as shown by the fact that 2 systems, one of which will be much better in games (Barton 2800+) gets the same score as a P4 1.7GHz. The only common factors are the score and graphics card, no coincidence...)
 
For real, thats some heck of a 9800 Pro you got.

Stock on my system I only got like 5600 in 3Dmark03

XP2500+ @ 2.2ghz
1 GB PC3200
Abit NF7-S v2
WinXP Pro SP1
Radeon 9800 Pro and I think I ran it with the Cat 4.6
 
Is 6500 in 3DMark03 really possible with a 9800 Pro 128MB running at stock (380/680)?

I have a Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB 256bit RAM. R360 core flashed to an XT and overclocked at 440/760, and I'm only getting around 6200 in 3DMark03?

Other sys specs:

ASUS A7V8X
AMD Athlon XP 2000+ (at stock)
512 MB PC2700 RAM
Driver: Omegadriver 2.5.76
 
Ok I am happy its just not my system.. my system would beat his


a64 2800+
1GB mushkin 3200DDR
abit kv8pro
9800XT at stock
120GB 8mb cache @7,200rpm


He is probably mistaken because I get exactly 6530 or really close on 3dmark03.

first test was 6530...
second test was 6517...

all within the range I am suppose to be.

I get around 18,872 on 3dmark01SE
 
Originally posted by: TechJunkie95242
Ok I am happy its just not my system.. my system would beat his


a64 2800+
1GB mushkin 3200DDR
abit kv8pro
9800XT at stock
120GB 8mb cache @7,200rpm


He is probably mistaken because I get exactly 6530 or really close on 3dmark03.

first test was 6530...
second test was 6517...

all within the range I am suppose to be.

I get around 18,872 on 3dmark01SE
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Yea he cant be getting 6500 on 3dmark. I dont even get that high on an oced 9800p axp @ 3300+ speeds, 1 gig ram. I get almost that, but not quite. He might have meant something like 4500.

 
Originally posted by: Marsumane
Originally posted by: TechJunkie95242
Ok I am happy its just not my system.. my system would beat his


a64 2800+
1GB mushkin 3200DDR
abit kv8pro
9800XT at stock
120GB 8mb cache @7,200rpm


He is probably mistaken because I get exactly 6530 or really close on 3dmark03.

first test was 6530...
second test was 6517...

all within the range I am suppose to be.

I get around 18,872 on 3dmark01SE
Click to expand...

Yea he cant be getting 6500 on 3dmark. I dont even get that high on an oced 9800p axp @ 3300+ speeds, 1 gig ram. I get almost that, but not quite. He might have meant something like 4500.
Click to expand...

Hey man don't worry bout the 3dmark03 score. Check your cpu score if you want it should be 750 +

I get around 4660 - 4700 on 3dmark03, but my cpu score is between 870 and 890 everytime. P4 get below 500 usually. So don't worry man the sys. is koo. My vid card bogs my system down. Can't wait to get my BFG 6800 GT!!!

 
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