XP 2400+'s hit front page of Newegg.com

[Macro2]

$187
I guess they are "really" here for good now. Paper turns to Silicon.
2600+s when?

Mac

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[BD231]

Dose anyone know how hard it really is to cool the new smaller Cores? I've heard it's hard but if you look at the NewEgg buyer comments, they say the 2400+ runs at 48c full load .

 

[tbates757]

Not sure what you mean BD231, smaller cores run cooler, one reviewer said 43c load with slk-800 (same hsf i have), with my 2100+ now full load is 45c

 

[Markfw]

Note that AMD requires you to use a good HSF with a copper pad to connect with the core. They are supposed to run cooler, and OC good according to the reviews though.

 

[Macro2]

I would have thought they would be adding a heat spreader but I guess they don't need it yet

 

[Duvie]

No heatspreader yet...I think old leaked hammer pictures showed an Integrated heat spreader like the p4....

The smaller the core means a smaller contact size to the heatsink and thus should be higher temps at same speeds but I think the lower vcore is showing the small drop as well as I never had a copper cored heatsink with my amd chips and I know with the p4 when I went from the aluminum retail to the copper core avc and then alpha 8942 the temps got much cooler across the board...

Point is...The smaller core coupled with lower voltages and requirement to run with copper cored heatsinks equals lower temps...Duh!!!! Not really the smaller core on this one....Notice the first version tbreds 2200+ wasn't doing that well in the temp department when it first came out...

 

[randomlinh]

i think because adding a heatspreader adds yet another layer of metal for heat to passthrough, making it less effective. or something to that extent.

 

[techfuzz]

I received my 2400+ from Newegg on Wednesday. I can attest to the fact they are here!

techfuzz

 

[Duvie]

The real advantage for amd would be to protect the vulnerable core as it is now from chipping and cracking form installation of hsf by inexperienced or uncareful users...That in its own may be worth it...I have seen some ppl talk about the ihs could make temps go up or down and really depends on the material and its implementation....

A IHS plate on current athlons could render the simple unlocking a thing of the past or only for the more advanced users...makes warranty issues likely more clear!!!!

 

[Macro2]

Man, they even have RETAIL 2400+s. $207. I guess the OEMs are getting all they want so there is some left over for the retail channel.

As for copper. Well, it really works. All my heatsinks will be copper from now on.

Mac

 

[aka1nas]

I think that the chipping issue is alse less of a problem with the newer chips(I.E. all AthlonXPs) due to the switch to organic packaging. The ceramic packaging on the T-Birds chipped very easily compared to the newer chips, IME.

 

[Sunner]

My friend got his 2400+ earlier today, it's an OEM CPU.
And considdering I live in Sweden availability shouldn't be too bad in the US me think?

 

[Bovinicus]

Ah, took them long enough.

Dose anyone know how hard it really is to cool the new smaller Cores? I've heard it's hard but if you look at the NewEgg buyer comments, they say the 2400+ runs at 48c full load .

I would guess that it is a little harder to improve the cooling ability with different heatsink designs. However, the temparatures at load in general should be lower because on the smaller manufacturing process the core runs cooler. The only reason cooling might be harder is because the contact area is decreased. An integrated heat spreader would be nice, but I guess AMD customers will have to wait until the Hammer CPU for that possibility.

 

[JackBurton]

Uh $187?! That is an OEM chip! A RETAIL P4 2.4B GHz is selling for $187! Is AMD losing the value battle too? Damn, I was looking to get a 2400+ for about $110 or so. Hmmmm....

 

[BD231]

48c at full load is awesome for a 2400+ rating. The only reason I ask is because silence is an important factor for me and while I'd like some more power I'm not sure if my AX-7+Panaflow would do the job. Currently I have a 1600+ running at 1630mhz(180mhz) fsb, and idle temps sit around 40c, and load temps are 46c to 47c. Normally these temps would be higher but I place my hard drives above instend of below the CPU and that droped temps big time. Would it be safe to run a 2400+ with my cooling setup?

 

[AnAndAustin]

Not that anything is 100% certain but it is almost certain these new successful 0.13mu T.bred-B CPUs and esp the XP2400+ run significantly cooler than either the Athlon 1.4ghz, XP2000+ or XP2200+, should run about as cool as an XP1600+. As for o/c'ing I've heard from an actual user that XP3000+ type speeds are attainable which would agree with the reviews. Of course it makes sense to wait at least a month before buying any of the T.bred-B CPUs as both prices and demand will be high, wait it out and $110 may not be too far from where they'll be come January! If you need more than an XP2000+ I'd suggest you go P4 but you'll be biting yourself when Dual Channel DDR and Hyper-threading come out, and of course Intel change the Skt again as they love to do!

 

[amdskip]

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Uh $187?! That is an OEM chip! A RETAIL P4 2.4B GHz is selling for $187! Is AMD losing the value battle too? Damn, I was looking to get a 2400+ for about $110 or so. Hmmmm....

The demand is quite high for these chips. Only 5 left at newegg now.

 

[ssanches]

Originally posted by: aka1nas
I think that the chipping issue is alse less of a problem with the newer chips(I.E. all AthlonXPs) due to the switch to organic packaging. The ceramic packaging on the T-Birds chipped very easily compared to the newer chips, IME.

..... And the Palomino cores are much more closer to the base than the Tbird cores. IMHO it's definitely harder to chip an Athlon XP than it is to chip a Tbird

 

[pillage2001]

To those with the new 2400+, can you guys run WCPUID to identify the core? Is it a rev A or B??

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Uh $187?! That is an OEM chip! A RETAIL P4 2.4B GHz is selling for $187! Is AMD losing the value battle too? Damn, I was looking to get a 2400+ for about $110 or so. Hmmmm....

You are being just plain unrealistic thinking that AMD's flagship CPU will debut at $110...that's just silly. WTF would they even bother? An OEM 2100+ Palomino is ~$120, and you were expecting $110 2400+'s? C'mon man, did you even think before posting that? Jeez..

A 2400+ is meant to compete with the 2.4Ghz P4 and the price's are similar...makes sense to me. I imagine the Retail 2400+ will level off a little below the 2.4Ghz P4 once the market gets saturated with them more..


Let's see...

OEM 2100+ Palomino - ~$120
OEM 2200+ Tbred - ~$146
OEM 2400+ Tbred - $110

Yeah..that's a good pricing structure..

 

[pillage2001]

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Uh $187?! That is an OEM chip! A RETAIL P4 2.4B GHz is selling for $187! Is AMD losing the value battle too? Damn, I was looking to get a 2400+ for about $110 or so. Hmmmm....

Those people over at AMD need their Salary too, ya know??

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: pillage2001
To those with the new 2400+, can you guys run WCPUID to identify the core? Is it a rev A or B??

I'll let you know when I get mine next week, but to my knowledge, all 2400+'s are "B" cores. The "A" revision 2200+'s wouldn't even get a whiff of 2Ghz..

 

[Megatomic]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Uh $187?! That is an OEM chip! A RETAIL P4 2.4B GHz is selling for $187! Is AMD losing the value battle too? Damn, I was looking to get a 2400+ for about $110 or so. Hmmmm....

You are being just plain unrealistic thinking that AMD's flagship CPU will debut at $110...that's just silly. WTF would they even bother? An OEM 2100+ Palomino is ~$120, and you were expecting $110 2400+'s? C'mon man, did you even think before posting that? Jeez..

A 2400+ is meant to compete with the 2.4Ghz P4 and the price's are similar...makes sense to me. I imagine the Retail 2400+ will level off a little below the 2.4Ghz P4 once the market gets saturated with them more..


Let's see...

OEM 2100+ Palomino - ~$120
OEM 2200+ Tbred - ~$146
OEM 2400+ Tbred - $110

Yeah..that's a good pricing structure..

That pretty much sums up everything I wanted to say. Good post.

 

[BuckNaked]

Not sure whats going on over at AMD, but check out this thread posted by GetInMyFatBelly in the CPU forum, with a link to AMD's website listing a 2600+ with a 333 MHz bus...

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Dave

 

[pillage2001]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: pillage2001
To those with the new 2400+, can you guys run WCPUID to identify the core? Is it a rev A or B??

I'll let you know when I get mine next week, but to my knowledge, all 2400+'s are "B" cores. The "A" revision 2200+'s wouldn't even get a whiff of 2Ghz..

I'm about to sell my AROIA away if this is true.