XP 2100 and A7V333...

[TOCSYS]

Ok, A friend of mine wanted a new HSF for his processor. So we ordered an alpha PAL8045 to keep the shiz running cool. I took the system apart(I put this thing together for him too.)installed the cooler and plugged everything back in. I've done this kind of work a million times before without a hitch but today is just not my day. I power up his system, the mobo posts(I get the short beep)then a second later the system just powers down. It happens every time. I've thought of every possible trouble shooting procedure(stripped it down and put it back together, put the ram in different slots, tried a different power supply, removed every expansion card, unplugged power from every periferal, reset the bios, etc)and I still run into the same problem. Anyone have any idea what might be causing this? It was running fine before we installed the new cooler. Yes, I was careful when installing it. And no I did not over tighten the Alpha cooler. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

System Specs:
Ennermax 350w PSU
XP 2100
Asus A7V333
Geforce Ti 4400
Onboard sound
NIC
Lite-On CDRW
1.44fdd
(2)HDDs

 

[XMan]

*cough*VIA chipset*cough*

Seriously, though . . . do you have the CPU fan plugged into the CPU fan header? Sometimes they sense if there's no RPM activity and shut down, it's a fail-safe thing.

 

[Soulkeeper]

prob your jumper settings
you got it set to use jumper or bios ??
Don't listen to that SIS zealot

 

[XMan]

Originally posted by: Soulkeeper
prob your jumper settings
you got it set to use jumper or bios ??
Don't listen to that SIS zealot

Sis Zealot?

WTF are you coming from, bud?

I suffered through a KT133 and KT266A, and I have now found happiness with NForce.

 

[Soulkeeper]

Dude i was just jokin' lighten up man
although i do like VIA and have the kt133 and built my uncle a system with the kt333
that kt133 still supports the latest thoroughbreds
great investment
sis is just a cheep substitute for pore people
they aren't gods so quit rallying behind them
VIA and AMD are allied together for an ultimate goal
the punishing of Intel
transmeta is in on that
UMC
even nvidia to an extent
and a few others

on the intel side you got ati and sis in close cooperation
and many other richer companies
it would be nice to even things out here
it would lead to greater market balance
the better AMD does the better everybody is
even if Intel is on top
but AMD also has to be on top sometimes
......

i love the chip wars / computer wars
--Soul_keeper

 

[TOCSYS]

*sigh...I hate when a technical question/problem is posted and it turns into an argument instead of an answer. I can't stand VIA myself because I've had nothing but bad experiences with their chipsets. However, this is what my friend wanted even though I advised against it. The fan on the Alpha cooler uses a 4 pin molex connector so there is no fan plugged into the cpu header. I will tell him to give that a try, thanks Xerox. As far as the BIOS goes Soul, I don't have enough time to get into it. The system shuts down a second after I get the post beep. The BIOS was configured properly before I installed the new cooler though. I hate having to sit through work knowing of a possible solution and not being able to do anything about it... :disgust:

 

[RanDum72]

Are you making sure that the Alpha is making proper contact with the CPU? Reseat it just to make sure. It can be the overheat protection kicking in. Newer Asus boards read temps off the XP CPU itself and shuts down when a certain temp is reached.

 

[Speedy3D!]

Might be a good idea to double check your CPU for a cracked core. You may also want to reset the BIOS, this can be done by removing the little battery (or the placement of a jumper, but the battery is easier to find ) for a few seconds then replacing it.

If those don't work try and disable the fan RPM monitoring and auto-shutdown feature (be very careful if you think it could be the CPU overheating).

I have an ASUS A7V333 as well and this board kicks major ass. Never had a more stable mainboard for AMD in my life

 

[DeschutesCore]

The A7V333 won't post without a fan attached to the header labeled "CPUFAN". Xerox is dead on here. You'l have to use the old fan in the header until you can disable the feature in the bios. "Power off on CPU fan fail". You'll really want to find a fan to plug into that header anyways because any BIOS flashes or reset will turn it right back on.

DC

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: Xerox Man
*cough*VIA chipset*cough* Seriously, though . . . do you have the CPU fan plugged into the CPU fan header? Sometimes they sense if there's no RPM activity and shut down, it's a fail-safe thing.

I personally have never had a problem using the via chipset...also have an overclocked P4 using the sis chipset...In regard to the Asus A7V333 this mobo has been known to have serious problems and blaming it on the via chipset is complete Bull$hit.

Ausm

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: rorrim180
*sigh...I hate when a technical question/problem is posted and it turns into an argument instead of an answer. I can't stand VIA myself because I've had nothing but bad experiences with their chipsets. However, this is what my friend wanted even though I advised against it. The fan on the Alpha cooler uses a 4 pin molex connector so there is no fan plugged into the cpu header. I will tell him to give that a try, thanks Xerox. As far as the BIOS goes Soul, I don't have enough time to get into it. The system shuts down a second after I get the post beep. The BIOS was configured properly before I installed the new cooler though. I hate having to sit through work knowing of a possible solution and not being able to do anything about it... :disgust:

You will get an arguement posting nonsense like this....I am a system admin we personally have hundreds of mobo's using the via chipset for our Cad/Cam team with ZERo problems. Problems with this chipset are generally brought on by the builders lack of knowledge or just to damn lazy to keep the computer concurrent with recent chipset updates.

Ausm

 

[TOCSYS]

Suck my @$$ ausm. Hold on while I go do a friggin' backflip because your an admin. I don't have the option of working with hundreds of mothers like you do. However, I've been building PC for about 8 years now and I've never had a chipset that wouldn't let me boot because there wasn't a 3 pin fan plugged into the cpu header. I actually think that this is kind of stupid because most PC enthusiasts/overclockers use high quality coolers and powerful fans that require 4 pin molex connectors instead of the normal three pin deal. If you're going to post just to be a cocky, arrogant b@$tard then don't post at all because nobody cares. Go play with your motherboards jerk0ff.

Thanks for the information core. I will let my friend know.

 

[billyjak]

rorrim180

Chill out already, it comes with experience. That's how we all learn.
Most Abit boards are setup that way as well as many others for safeguard protection, that's why they give you the option to turn it off in bios. It is usually set to enabled but I know Abit's default is set to off now, because this sort of thing just dosen't happen to you.
Iv'e done it myself and learned through these forums.
Now when I read about something I may use later, I setup a Directory for that purpose and copy and paste the Info for later use.

Never mind asum, he probably had a bad day.

 

[TOCSYS]

i didn't mean to sound like an jerk but I hate when people post smart @$$ remarks. Makes me want to track em down and kick em in the teeth. It just seems strange because I would think this option being set to ON by default would cause more trouble for users than if it were set to OFF by default. Anyway, thanks for the information. I'll keep it in mind next time.

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: rorrim180
i didn't mean to sound like an jerk but I hate when people post smart @$$ remarks. Makes me want to track em down and kick em in the teeth. It just seems strange because I would think this option being set to ON by default would cause more trouble for users than if it were set to OFF by default. Anyway, thanks for the information. I'll keep it in mind next time.

Rorrim,

I am sorry but you do sound like a jerk...I was just stating facts if you can't handle well that is your problem then If you want to track me down I will PM you my address I would love to teach a whiney little prick like yourself a lesson


Ausm

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: billyjak
rorrim180 Chill out already, it comes with experience. That's how we all learn. Most Abit boards are setup that way as well as many others for safeguard protection, that's why they give you the option to turn it off in bios. It is usually set to enabled but I know Abit's default is set to off now, because this sort of thing just dosen't happen to you. Iv'e done it myself and learned through these forums. Now when I read about something I may use later, I setup a Directory for that purpose and copy and paste the Info for later use. Never mind asum, he probably had a bad day.

Thx Billyjack for trying to heal the wound but I can't stand ignorant people ranting about stuff they obviously have no clue about.


Ausm

 

[bizkit]

One Beep Huh? Sounds like the vid card was not seated all the way causing the beep.
In my expierence ASUS boards are top notch and the A7V333 is a great board.
Via is not the best chipset but hey it works.

Take your time read the manual.

Just setup like this to trouble shoot.

Make sure you have at least a 300W AMD approved PS

Have Just your basic setup.

Vid Card
Mobo
CPU (w fan of course)
Memory


Try and to boot that. If no boot
remount the board.


In the end if that all doens't work might be a bum board.

But I doubt it since it gave you a beep.


Good Luck.

 

[TOCSYS]

Please ausm, I don't have time to waste on you. If you are cool with being a pompous @$$hole that's fine with me but I'm not going to sit back and let someone insult me when I was simply looking for an answer to a question. As far as the whole "tracking you down" thing goes it wasn't directed towards you. It's just how I feel when someone on a message board I like coming to for answers insults me. But, if you think you're such a tough guy and you feel the need to choke on your own blood and tears then send your address my way via a PM. If you are close enough and I actually find the time to waste on a frail, pale and gay kid such as yourself I'll be glad to stop by and stick my boot up your @$$.

Biz, thanks for the information. I posted the system specs(The ones that matter right now anyway)in my original post if you want to check it out. I have absolute faith in Asus boards as well. But I have never run into this feature before so I was quite frustrated when I couldn't get his system back up and running. Unfortunatly, I can't get in touch with my friend because he just moved here from Washington State and he doesn't have a phone yet. I wont be able to find out what happened until he gets into work. I informed him over IM to plug the stock AMD fan back into the CPU header and see if it would boot. If it did I told him to disable the feature in the BIOS, shutdown the system and remove the fan. I did try to reseat the board on the same night but that didn't work either. As far as the beep goes, it's just the normal post beep one gets when the computer is running properly. It isn't a warning beep or anything like that. I'll let you know what happens when he get in touch with him. Thanks again.

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: rorrim180
Please ausm, I don't have time to waste on you. If you are cool with being a pompous @$$hole that's fine with me but I'm not going to sit back and let someone insult me when I was simply looking for an answer to a question. As far as the whole "tracking you down" thing goes it wasn't directed towards you. It's just how I feel when someone on a message board I like coming to for answers insults me. But, if you think you're such a tough guy and you feel the need to choke on your own blood and tears then send your address my way via a PM. If you are close enough and I actually find the time to waste on a frail, pale and gay kid such as yourself I'll be glad to stop by and stick my boot up your @$$. Biz, thanks for the information. I posted the system specs(The ones that matter right now anyway)in my original post if you want to check it out. I have absolute faith in Asus boards as well. But I have never run into this feature before so I was quite frustrated when I couldn't get his system back up and running. Unfortunatly, I can't get in touch with my friend because he just moved here from Washington State and he doesn't have a phone yet. I wont be able to find out what happened until he gets into work. I informed him over IM to plug the stock AMD fan back into the CPU header and see if it would boot. If it did I told him to disable the feature in the BIOS, shutdown the system and remove the fan. I did try to reseat the board on the same night but that didn't work either. As far as the beep goes, it's just the normal post beep one gets when the computer is running properly. It isn't a warning beep or anything like that. I'll let you know what happens when he get in touch with him. Thanks again.

Damn I have not stopped laughing after reading this one...looks like your IQ is closely approaching your age...what 16 or 17? Man you need to grow up and take constructive criticism form someone who knows what is going on....If you consider that pompous then maybe you should join a forum where you people have the same ignorant values such as yourself. In Regard to being a kid, I am old enough to be your father gathering your age from the replies you have been giving to my posts. I am going to choke on my blood??? Awful strange way to talk on hardware forum!! I think you need to take some pills that will calm your testosterone problem....Like I said if you can't handle a knowledgeable opinion please don't threaten to kick my ass because you know I am right

Ausm

 

[TOCSYS]

I am sorry but you do sound like a jerk...I was just stating facts if you can't handle well that is your problem then If you want to track me down I will PM you my address I would love to teach a whiney little prick like yourself a lesson

You will get an arguement posting nonsense like this....I am a system admin we personally have hundreds of mobo's using the via chipset for our Cad/Cam team with ZERo problems. Problems with this chipset are generally brought on by the builders lack of knowledge or just to damn lazy to keep the computer concurrent with recent chipset updates.

And I'm the childish one? I'm just responding to your threats bud so cut out the bull$hit high and mighty act. If you would never have thrown your .02c in this would have never come about. I'm glad you got a good laugh out of my reply though. It always makes me feel good when I can put a smile on an elderly persons face. And as far as the whole blood and tears thing goes, again, I was just replying to the "lesson" you're going to teach me. Then again, you would probably break a hip in the process or "fill up" your depends diaper or somthing like that so I wouldn't want you to strain yourself. What troubles me the most about all of this is that you felt it necessary to make a smart@$$ reply to my post even though you are soooo well groomed and mature. Not to mention the fact that there were 8 replys before yours that were posted in a mature and helpful manner. Well, minus Xerox's VIA comment but that was just a joke. If you have nothing decent or helpful to say on the board then keep your comments to yourself old man.