XFX 6800GS EXTREME AGP 450Mhz Core!!!!!

[NoStateofMind]

Check it out! 6800GS Extreme AGP

 

[Corporate Thug]

uh huh, price?

 

[otispunkmeyer]

dude seriously......

get a second hand ultra or GT.....theyre miles better value than these yet to exist 6800GS's

 

[CKXP]

PINE XFX Geforce 6800GS Extreme (PV-T40B-UDF3)
GeForce6800GS / 256MB GDDR3 (450/1000MHz) - TVO/DVI - AGP 8x

PINE
Grafikkarten Bus : AGP
Grafik Chipsatz : NVIDIA NV40 (GeForce 6800 Serie)
Grafik Chiptakt : 450 Mhz
Fertigungsprozess : 0.11 µm
Pixel Pipelines : 12
Grafik Speicher : 256 MB
Grafik Speichertyp : GDDR3
Grafik Speichertakt : 1100 Mhz
Grafik Speicher-Zugriffszeit : 1.6 ns
Grafik Speicheranbindung : 256 Bit
Punkttakt RAMDAC : 400 MHz
Kühlung : Aktiv
Anschluss - D-SUB : (15pin VGA) 0
Anschluss - DVI : 2
Anschluss - S-Video : 1
Twin View : ja
TV-Out : ja
TV-In : ja
SLI / Crossfire Schnittstelle : nein
Herstellerproduktlink : Link öffnen

any idea which is correct? so far this card looks promising

 

[theMan]

sometimes i think they are just screwing around with us poor AGP users. its not very nice, thats all i have to say.

 

[Cookie Monster]

It would be awesome if it unlocks..
450/1000 is not bad

Btw the normal GS versions are clocked at 350/1000.

 

[moonboy403]

i thought the 6800 gs outperforms 6800 gt?

i don't know

 

[Cookie Monster]

The PCI-e version does, but im not sure if the AGP version would.

 

[imported_JeReMY]

Who would get one of those when you can get an x800 GTO instead that does 550 core, and lots of the time unlocks to 16 pipes?

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: JeReMY
Who would get one of those when you can get an x800 GTO instead that does 550 core, and lots of the time unlocks to 16 pipes?

Not in AGP it doesn't

Oh, and SM3 support too.

 

[themusgrat]

6800GS does outperform the 6800GT anytime and costs 200. That's why its good, and most people get to 445/1200.

 

[CKXP]

Originally posted by: themusgrat
6800GS does outperform the 6800GT anytime and costs 200. That's why its good, and most people get to 445/1200.

a stock PCI-e 6800gs 425/1000 performs nearly identical to a stock 6800gt 350/1000, but the PCI-e 6800gs is based NV42 110nm core, which may explain the high clocks it can achieve.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2593

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/geforce-6800gs.html

 

[Ichigo]

Originally posted by: themusgrat
6800GS does outperform the 6800GT anytime and costs 200. That's why its good, and most people get to 445/1200.

AGP version? I think not.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: Ichigo

Originally posted by: themusgrat
6800GS does outperform the 6800GT anytime and costs 200. That's why its good, and most people get to 445/1200.

AGP version? I think not.

Originally posted by: sticky111
Wolfshanze said:

The main reason will be the 4-pipe disadvantage that will NOT be unlockable (AGP or PCI-E).

You're wrong regarding the AGP version of the 6800GS. Mine arrived a few days ago. I overclocked it up to the PCIe speeds (i.e. from 350 to 425) then I unlocked the 4 pipes, taking it from 12 to 16 (the pipes you said were physically cut).

I had the following 3DMArk scores.

my old card 9800pro = 2829
6800GS@350 = 4261
6800GS@425 = 5000
6800GS@425 with 4 pipes unlocked = 5590

Looks like the AGP version DOES have the disabled 4 pipes, that can be enabled.

SOUNDS LIKE A FRICKEN WINNER TO ME!!!!!!!

 

[Liver]

It is my understanding that none of the 6800 AGP cards have purevideo turned on, so it makes them less desirable with HTPCs. All the PCI cards have it turned on and all the 6600 series as well. Any idea if this new 6800GS has purevideo turned on?

Liver

 

[NoStateofMind]

I don't know, maybe it will since it is a new release. *shrugs*

 

[Wolfshanze]

I hope you realize that's a German link you posted and the "lower" prices of the card is about 240-Euros... don't get excited... the euro is stronger then the dollar... today's exchange rate would put a 240-euro 6800GS card at $284 US Dollars!. You can buy a brand-new 6800GT for those prices, or a used one on E-Bay for less.

For a quick and easy price converter, try this before you get too excited: http://www.x-rates.com/calculator.html

The only confirmed reports of a European with an AGP 6800GS bought a card claiming to be 425MHz, but it turned out to be a plain-old 350MHz, 12-pipe card... that's not bargain for $280 dollars (yes, he overclocked it, but you can do the same with a GT).

It appears clear the AGP version of this card is nothing other then a standard, everyday, joe-blow N40 card, stock-clocked at 350MHz (by Nvidia referance) with only 12-pipes... the Europeans are selling this card at GT prices. It's no bargain at all... at least in Europe. We've heard a bunch of various clock speeds reported for the AGP GS... the first at 350MHz, and others going from 400MHz to 450MHz... yet the only one we've seen in somebody's physical hands came to him at 350MHz... it seems clear these are stock N40 chipsets... if any manufacturer does ship them at a faster speed, you can be assured they took a 350MHz N40 and overclocked it for you on their end (which you could have done yourself with a GS, or the GT). I'm waiting to be impressed.

 

[theMan]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Ichigo

Originally posted by: themusgrat
6800GS does outperform the 6800GT anytime and costs 200. That's why its good, and most people get to 445/1200.

AGP version? I think not.

Originally posted by: sticky111
Wolfshanze said:

The main reason will be the 4-pipe disadvantage that will NOT be unlockable (AGP or PCI-E).

You're wrong regarding the AGP version of the 6800GS. Mine arrived a few days ago. I overclocked it up to the PCIe speeds (i.e. from 350 to 425) then I unlocked the 4 pipes, taking it from 12 to 16 (the pipes you said were physically cut).

I had the following 3DMArk scores.

my old card 9800pro = 2829
6800GS@350 = 4261
6800GS@425 = 5000
6800GS@425 with 4 pipes unlocked = 5590

Looks like the AGP version DOES have the disabled 4 pipes, that can be enabled.

SOUNDS LIKE A FRICKEN WINNER TO ME!!!!!!!

wait, i want a screenshot of those open pipes. if this is true, i may be buying one of these right away.

 

[nitromullet]

That x850XT at microcenter for $250 AMR is still the winner IMO.

http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0217999

...rebate is good until Jan 31.

 

[secretanchitman]

meh, just release the damn 6800GS's already!

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: Wolfshanze
I hope you realize that's a German link you posted and the "lower" prices of the card is about 240-Euros... don't get excited... the euro is stronger then the dollar... today's exchange rate would put a 240-euro 6800GS card at $284 US Dollars!. You can buy a brand-new 6800GT for those prices, or a used one on E-Bay for less.

For a quick and easy price converter, try this before you get too excited: http://www.x-rates.com/calculator.html

The only confirmed reports of a European with an AGP 6800GS bought a card claiming to be 425MHz, but it turned out to be a plain-old 350MHz, 12-pipe card... that's not bargain for $280 dollars (yes, he overclocked it, but you can do the same with a GT).

It appears clear the AGP version of this card is nothing other then a standard, everyday, joe-blow N40 card, stock-clocked at 350MHz (by Nvidia referance) with only 12-pipes... the Europeans are selling this card at GT prices. It's no bargain at all... at least in Europe. We've heard a bunch of various clock speeds reported for the AGP GS... the first at 350MHz, and others going from 400MHz to 450MHz... yet the only one we've seen in somebody's physical hands came to him at 350MHz... it seems clear these are stock N40 chipsets... if any manufacturer does ship them at a faster speed, you can be assured they took a 350MHz N40 and overclocked it for you on their end (which you could have done yourself with a GS, or the GT). I'm waiting to be impressed.

I appreciate the link, but I've had that for a long time. I already knew what it costs "over there". This post is for the "etreme" version and it simply is overclocked (as you have already stated) from 350Mhz to 450Mhz. The extreme version tends to resemble the PCIe much more, and thus the performance should be comparable (extreme AGP vs PCIe 6800GS). When the AGP extreme version is "unlocked" it would tend to outperform it's PCIe counterpart by a decent margin. Furthermore, adding this into the equation (450Mhz core and 16 pipelines) you don't have a GT, you have an Ultra! So in reality, this guy got an ultra for $290, not bad if you ask me. When these hit the streets in the states and you are looking to spend $230 to $250 on a VC, There is no question in my mind that 6800GS AGP is THE ONLY one I would concider.

EDIT: hmm an ultra for $250? chew on that for awhile!

The Surgeon

 

[Wolfshanze]

The extreme version tends to resemble the PCIe much more, and thus the performance should be comparable (extreme AGP vs PCIe 6800GS). When the AGP extreme version is "unlocked" it would tend to outperform it's PCIe counterpart by a decent margin. Furthermore, adding this into the equation (450Mhz core and 16 pipelines) you don't have a GT, you have an Ultra! So in reality, this guy got an ultra for $290, not bad if you ask me.

Ummm... NO!

First off, no matter what you do, the AGP GS will NEVER resemble the PCI-E GS... they use totally differant cores from one another, so lets just throw that right out the window to begin with... let's call a horse a horse and a cat a cat... the AGP GS uses the N40 core, which is the same as the GT and U core... the PCI-E uses a completely differant core with a differant architecture.

Secondly, I always love all this talk like; "when I unlock it (maybe, maybe not), and I overclock it (good luck getting what you hope for), I don't have a GT, I have an Ultra! Yipeee!!!!"

Let's talk reality check... for starters we're only guessing if it can be unlocked (without problems and/or texture issues), and we're certainly taking a HUGE leap-of-faith that you're going to overclock an otherwise 350MHz chip safely, easily and automatically 100MHz over it's default clock setting... it's painfully clear NVidia is shipping standard, everyday 350MHz N40s for their AGP GS lineup... anyone who overclocks this is going to totally be taking the chip out of specs and we'll have a "guess" as to which ones work or don't. Now, we've already seen at least one manufacturer advertise a 75MHz overclock and end-up shipping a standard 350MHz chip... yippee... how uber-fantastic.

The biggest laugh that is totally crazy is this whole "I'm going to buy a GS and get an Ultra instead" mentality that is totally in dream-land. I love how everyone seems to think that it is physically impossible to overclock higher-end cards, while it's so easy and automatic to overclock low-end cards. Why are you wasting your time talking about buying a GS? Why not buy a 6800XT unlock and overclock it and you'll have your Ultra... same thing.

Overclocking is not automatic... overclocking is not garaunteed, and overclocking can cause problems in quality. Most importantly, EVERY CARD HAS POTENTIAL TO OVERCLOCK... this includes GTs and Ultras! Okay, so you got lucky, and unlocked and overclocked your card 100MHz over specs. Now you're reaching Ultra levels... now the Ultra overclocks a mere 10MHz and is already faster again. Why is this point always ignored?

You seem to think $280 for a GS is a bargain... why not just buy a retail GT for the SAME price and you're already garaunteed to have your full 16-pipes, and you can start overclocking from there to get your "Ultra", instead of gambling with taking a GS out of specs?

hmm an ultra for $250? chew on that for awhile!

Hmmm... it's the EXACT SAME CORE as the other cards, rated for the exact same default 350Mhz speed. In fact, it's a 12-pipe GT that costs the same as the GT, with the same or less potential then the GT... why is NVidia releasing this card again?

It looks like GT with 4-pipes knocked-off/down or whatever. It has the same overclocking potential as any other card (GTs and Ultras included). Yet, sofar, it's carrying the same price as a GT (for AGP anyways). $280 bucks for an AGP GS? I can buy an AGP GT for the same price! What's the excitement about?

NVidia and other companies really need to release more/better cards for the AGP market... I hope the price comes down on these things stateside... but so far, we've only seen overpriced, 12-pipe, 350MHz cards... that's the reality. Chew on that for awhile.

P.S.
Honestly, I hope the AGP GS is released with a lower price and a higher "garaunteed" clock speed, but so far that just hasn't been the case. I'm just shocked that people seem to be expecting the moon with this card when it has been so blatantly clear this is an AGP GT with 4-pipes locked... nothing more. This is NOT a new card, a new chipset or a new miracle-card... it's the SAME OLD CHIPSET simply with 4-pipes taken down. There's nothing new about this card at all.

The price needs to come down on this... that's the bottom line.

 

[theMan]

whats the difference between the 6800 agp and the 6800gs agp?

 

[RatDog]

Originally posted by: Liver
It is my understanding that none of the 6800 AGP cards have purevideo turned on, so it makes them less desirable with HTPCs. All the PCI cards have it turned on and all the 6600 series as well. Any idea if this new 6800GS has purevideo turned on?

Liver

Can anyone answer this?

 

[CKXP]

Originally posted by: theman
whats the difference between the 6800 agp and the 6800gs agp?

6800nu(128mb DDR @700mhz)
6800gs(256mb DDR3 @1000mhz)
same NV40 core (12pipes/5 vertex)