Xeon dual core run hot and eat power
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In all honesty, I'll be sticking with Xeons, just because of the Intel server chipsets are (to me at the very least) superior. Granted, it's been a while since I did research on the dark side's chipsets and mobo features since I got my duallies, but nonetheless. Intel E7505 chipset won me over.
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Meh. I'm already getting a portable air conditioner for the computer room, as the Xeon's I have now heat up the place.
If I found a motherboard that had features akin to the ones that Intel chipsets offer, I'd consider it. I'm not a die-hard Intel fanboi. I just put a lot of faith in chipsets. (I'm building the wife a A64 gamer, because the Nvidia mobo chipsets are awesome for gaming, IMHO). But for server types, I wouldn't trust any others besides Intel, despite the 400w. And besides, that's why I have two PSUs in my machine.Guess you're thinking about the days of Athlon MP.
And I agree, I wouldn't trust those for serious work.
The Opteron is another beast though, and it's got just about all the features you'd need for an x86 server, and seeing as you can buy them in a wide variety of configurations from both HP and Sun these days, I'd say there are no problems these days.
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Yep...
The chipsets sucked ass then. I have a dual Xeon 2.66GHz right now in a Supermicro X5DAE. So, I have a dumb question kinda, but who makes good mobos for the opterons? They don't have many server related reviews online, and I checked Supermicro's stuff, but they only deal with Intel CPUs. EDIT: Just checked out the Tyan Thunder K8SE. Not too bad. And $500 to boot. Not too bad at all.
Originally posted by: tasburrfoot78362
Yep...
EDIT: Just checked out the Tyan Thunder K8SE. Not too bad. And $500 to boot. Not too bad at all.
Actually Supermicro broke down and started making Opteron mobos a while back, AFAIK they haven't exactly been screaming loudly about them though.
Doing a quick Google search I found them here, only available to OEM's though.
But yeah, Tyan makes good Opteron mobos, the K8WE and K8QW being their crown jewels.
My server room has 2 10 ton ac in it, keeping air between 60-65 degrees. I got 2 150amp ups power coming in and I'm only using 25% of 9000 pound mge ups battery.
Using 8 rack out of 14 total, so having 400watts doesn't scare me. Xeon are not for your avg home users. So who really care.. you dont see xeons in notebook right
If you're making judgements based on power consumption, then you become a fanboi.. if you release data based on benchmark then I probably wouldn't be an ass about it.
Anyway, I still think amd will whip the crap out of the xeons but I haven't seen much of the new dc xeons out.. besides at dell and i'm not dipping my hand into those.
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Adul
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also ASUS and iWill seem to be making some descent boards for opterons. iWill I think has a dual opteron MB that will support up to 64GB of ram if you need it to.
Adul
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first benches appeared at gamepc.
Dual Core Xeon vs Duel Core Opteron
With clock speeds only at 2.8 GHz, the Xeon really suffers against the opteron.
Dual Core Xeon vs Duel Core Opteron
With clock speeds only at 2.8 GHz, the Xeon really suffers against the opteron.
My server room has 2 10 ton ac in it, keeping air between 60-65 degrees. I got 2 150amp ups power coming in and I'm only using 25% of 9000 pound mge ups battery.
Using 8 rack out of 14 total, so having 400watts doesn't scare me. Xeon are not for your avg home users. So who really care.. you dont see xeons in notebook right
If you're making judgements based on power consumption, then you become a fanboi.. if you release data based on benchmark then I probably wouldn't be an ass about it.
Anyway, I still think amd will whip the crap out of the xeons but I haven't seen much of the new dc xeons out.. besides at dell and i'm not dipping my hand into those.[/quote]
Is that at home or at work?[/quote]
work.. i dont think my house can hold 9000 pound of ups battery... it'll probably collapse into the basement..
Not reading the review yet.. but isn't intel still using the share bus on the xeons like older xeon..
gonna go read it now..
Edit:
Just finish reading... boy, intel serious dropped the bomb on the high end server market. I bet you a dual opteron probably wipe the floor on the quad xeons i got running here.. I think these quads are worthless now..
Anyone know any good pre-build operton workstations that wont kill the budget ?
Adul
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I need workstations not servers... One where i can throw in quad monitiors vid cards..
but thanks for the link cuz i just saw
Trade in any qualified Dell server and get a 20% trade-up allowance off the list price on eligible new Sun Fire X4100 and X4200 servers with 3-year support services. That's a potential savings of up to $1,900 on new entry level Sun servers that have 1.5 times the performance of Xeon-based Dell servers.* Sun Fire X4100 and X4200 servers also offer up to 56% savings in power and cooling costs per year over comparable Dell servers.**
lol
I got some crappie dell 750s i can trade in..
EDIT: so sun doesn't use ps2 ports anymore ? for keyboard or mouse ? I can't afford to buy usb ip kvm switches.. that stuff is expensive...
but thanks for the link cuz i just saw
Trade in any qualified Dell server and get a 20% trade-up allowance off the list price on eligible new Sun Fire X4100 and X4200 servers with 3-year support services. That's a potential savings of up to $1,900 on new entry level Sun servers that have 1.5 times the performance of Xeon-based Dell servers.* Sun Fire X4100 and X4200 servers also offer up to 56% savings in power and cooling costs per year over comparable Dell servers.**
lol
I got some crappie dell 750s i can trade in..
EDIT: so sun doesn't use ps2 ports anymore ? for keyboard or mouse ? I can't afford to buy usb ip kvm switches.. that stuff is expensive...
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Since the correct crowd is in here, what do ya'll consider to be the differences between servers and workstations? I would love to see what other people think about this, without the usual kiddie banter.
Adul
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a lot more is onboard with servers are they are designed to squeeze into a small a space as possible. not to mention all the remote management tools available for the servers.
Can't exactly squeeze in a highend graphics card into a 1u server box
server for me sits in a rack in server room being cool by ac, protected by intrusion. 1u - 4u size
scsi - 80 pin hot swap drives, redudant power, etc.
workstation sits under my desk in a desktop case where i can plug in some nice high end video card.
ide - cheap, no high speed needed.. just number crunching ability.
scsi - 80 pin hot swap drives, redudant power, etc.
workstation sits under my desk in a desktop case where i can plug in some nice high end video card.
ide - cheap, no high speed needed.. just number crunching ability.
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What chipset does your quad Xeon use? If its the "Truland" E8500, then it should be competitive. If you've got an IBM X360, then it should be faster.
Power consumption IS a concern for a lot of people in the enterprise.
For one, exelctricity isn't free, and if you tell the beancounters that you can save bucks without actually giving up anything, they'll love you.
Server rooms are built to last, but let's face it, build a room today and you still won't know what you'll be packing into it in 5-10 years.
One of our server rooms(the first we had built ourselves actually) was built in the era when your average 2-way server was still 3-5U and consumed 350W(Like Sun E250's, Compaq ProLiant 1600's, etc).
We're now running into problems, not because the servers use immensely more power, but simply because they pack it into such a small package, today you can buy a blade that will consume more power than one of those old E250's, and the average 1U workgroup server will consume more than an E450(what's that...15U?) does.
Our problem is power/heat density, not power/heat in itself, and if this can be helped by going with Opteron servers that consume as little as 20% less power than comparable Xeon servers, AMD will have a solid case here.
Well, they do actually, we're probably gonna start going with HP's Opteron line.
Sun wouldn't yell about their servers' power consumption unless they knew CFO's/CTO's were listening.
Oh and tasburrfoot78362, my definiton of a server vs a wrokstation is pretty much the same as Vegito's
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Thanks Sunner. It's amazing to hear what people work with at work. But mine is at home, so I'm alright. hehehe
Originally posted by: Sunner
Power consumption IS a concern for a lot of people in the enterprise.
For one, exelctricity isn't free, and if you tell the beancounters that you can save bucks without actually giving up anything, they'll love you.
Server rooms are built to last, but let's face it, build a room today and you still won't know what you'll be packing into it in 5-10 years.
Sun wouldn't yell about their servers' power consumption unless they knew CFO's/CTO's were listening.
Oh and tasburrfoot78362, my definiton of a server vs a wrokstation is pretty much the same as Vegito's
I guess leases are different... we dont pay as much for our electricial bill.. on our lease, we pay 5% of building total.. which is pretty low.. there are other bigger companies than ours here..
I guess power is a problem only if you're actually paying for it..
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