Discussion Xbox next speculation

[Mopetar]

that's not going anyway, new consoles will be crossgen cities forevermore.

I'd scrap a low-tier console or turn it into the mobile version. The strength of consoles has always been having a single platform that developers could tune their games for to eke out every last drop of performance.

Microsoft seems like they're going to try to own that platform but let anyone make hardware that supports it. This might be initially successful in that they pass costs on to third parties, but eventually it turns out like it did for Apple with the Mac clones.

 

[adroc_thurston]

The strength of consoles has always been having a single platform that developers could tune their games for to eke out every last drop of performance.

This hasn't been true ever since PS4 Pro and Xbox One X.
Two-three targets per gen are the new norm.

 

[Muadib]

wrong thread

 

[MrSquished]

I will likely be picking this up. All depends on final specs and price but looking good so far.

 

[marees]

Node for potential xbox to be revealed next year

Possibly zen 5(c?) + RDNA 5 on N3P tailored for AMD

AFAIK in documents they say it's N2P, however it's almost certainly a custom node that doesn't fit exactly in what TSMC describes as N2/N2P/N2X. In some gfx13/RDNA5 stuff I have seen terms like "AMD3NP" for example.

 

[marees]

Xbox Next could be $1000 — MLID speculation (this makes sense to me)

Welp! It looks like this will cost more than $1000

https://twitter.com/x/status/1946062711730602372

 

[Mopetar]

If MLID is saying anything there's better than 90% chance it will turn out to be false.

 

[marees]

CONFIRMED — Speculation no more !!

MAGNUS is the replacement to ARDEN

Spoiler: MLID video

 

[marees]

Could Magnus usher in the end of Phil Spencer's reign 🤔

Phil Spencer Will Allegedly Retire as CEO After Next-Gen Console Launch​

The news comes from @TheGhostofHope, who has a decent track record regarding Call of Duty leaks.

According to Hope, “Phil Spencer is working closely with Sarah Bond and her team to ensure a smooth transition for her takeover as CEO of Microsoft Gaming once he retires.”

It’s a rumor that I’ve also heard a couple of times this year at the Summer Game Fest, and while I can’t fully corroborate the claims, it’s scuttlebutt that has been circulating for some time. And I guess… It’s probably an easy speculation and expectation.

In fact, and for added context on how often I’ve heard this rumor in the past couple of months, I even had a skeleton pre-write ready for today about Spencer leaving, just in case he stepped down earlier, given today’s recent bloodbath of layoffs.

Phil Spencer Will Allegedly Retire as CEO After Next-Gen Console Launch

A new rumour has said that Microsoft Gaming CEO, Phil Spencer will be retiring from Xbox following the company's next-generation launch.

insider-gaming.com

 

[marees]

In an update, Frank Shaw tells me, “It’s not true that Phil is planning to retire. I know you didn’t start the rumor!”

Regardless, the scuttlebutt at Summer Game Fest was that Phil Spencer is going to retire after the next-generation console launch, but as stated in the original article, I cannot corroborate the initial rumor.

As pointed out by several people already, logically it makes sense for Phil to hang up the controller around then anyway, as he’ll be just shy of 60 by the time the next generation comes around.

In a statement to The Verge, “Phil is not retiring anytime soon,” says Kari Perez, head of Xbox communications

In a response to a tweet I made about the initial rumor itself being summed up nicely, Shaw replied: so long as by “summed it up” you mean “made it up.”

Microsoft's Chief Communications Officer Denies That Phil Spencer Plans to Step Down as Xbox CEO

Microsoft's Chief Communications Officer, Frank Shaw, has denied the rumor that Xbox CEO Phil Spencer plans to retire.

insider-gaming.com

 

[marees]

Scorpio (X1X) = Roman weapon

Magnus (X next?) = Roman gladiatorial arena

(What were Series S & X)?

Maybe I came to the wrong thread — Gladius is a sword but Scorpio is a catapult

Anyways the CPU family matches. It is only the GPU that is a ?

Roman Weapons: Roman Weaponry and Armor

From gladius and spatha to scorpio and ballista, the Roman Empire, at the height of its power, utilized a wide range of weapons, both for offense and defense. Roman weapons were a crucial part of the Roman military's success and dominance over their adversaries for centuries. These weapons...

historycooperative.org

GLADIUS:
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SCORPIO:
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[quikah]

Scorpio (X1X) = Roman weapon

Magnus (X next?) = Roman gladiatorial arena

(What were Series S & X)?

Scarlett - Anaconda/Lockhart (Family codename - X/S codenames)

No magnus listed here (not definitive of course):

List of Microsoft codenames - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[marees]

Next Call Of Duty — Modern Warfare IV, due to be released in June next year — is apparently being tested on next xbox dev kit, & will not be released for PS4, or XBone generations

https://twitter.com/x/status/1896672391457349981

So likely 2026 end launch in time for xbox's 25th anniversary

you may already have seen the claim that Microsoft's next-gen Xbox could land next year.​

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Originally expected to launch in 2027 or 2028, the console could now potentially be released in 2026 due to a claim made by Call of Duty insider TheGhostofHope.​

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They took to social media to announce several details about 2026’s franchise release which is assumed to be Modern Warfare IV.​

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It’s the added detail though that MWIV will supposedly have “no old gen support” and is being “developed on dev kits for the next Xbox” that’s got people talking.​

Xbox next-gen console release date leak leaves fans furious

Microsoft's next-gen Xbox is due to land next year, but many fans feel that's too soon.

www.gamingbible.com

 

[marees]

This is old news by now, but putting it here for reference' sake

Magnus SoC = Medusa Premium SoC ?

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Hoho, I am pretty sure Magnus SoC is having same die as Medusa Premium SoC with 4 x Zen6 + 8 x Zen6c CPU. That's mean Magnus is not using custom design at all. Due to low sales volume, Microsoft no longer afford to custom design SoC and going to use off the shelf silicons from AMD; just like upcoming Valve's Fremont. Magnus is using combination of Medusa Premium SoC+CPU and AT2 GPU with 18GB? 192-bit GDDR7 as total system memory. Of course, to justify low BOM, AMD will cut many features from the die:

• One Zen6 core.
• STX is having 16+8=24MB L3 cache, Medusa Premium should have the same amount of L3 cache even though the CPUs are having different cluster design. Thus, Magnus SoC's L3 cache might be cut by half.
• AMD might disable certain amount of PCIe and USB PHY.
• There is no NPU and GPU integrated with SoC, thus the die size of 144mm2 might be true. Therefore, Medusa Premium SoC should be smaller than Medusa Point APU (4+4+2) with GPU and NPU.

If true that seems very clever. Both handheld & box console share the same CPU/IOD die but the GPUs are in ~ 3:1 ratio (like the series X & S )

If we go by rumours it appears that Microsoft (in contrast to Sony) has given up on the subsidized console model

Sony is targeting

1. PS6 — same price as base PS5
   1. Monolithic 3nm
   2. 8x zen6c cores (+ 2x zen6lp cores)
   3. 54? CU
   4. 160 bit gddr7 bus (memory is 20gb, 30gb, or 40gb)
2. PS6 handheld — same price as Switch 2
   1. Monolithic 3nm
   2. 4x zen6c cores (+ 2x zen6lp cores)
   3. 16 CU
   4. LPDDR5x or LPDDR6X (16gb or 24gb ram)

Microsoft targetting

1. Xbox — first party but potentially unsubsidized
   1. Cpu & io in one 3nm chip, GPU in another 3nm chip
   2. CPU & io chip to be shared with the xbox handheld? — see below
   3. 72? or less CU (AT2 — Magnus)
   4. 192 bit gddr7 bus (24gb ram? )
2. 'Xbox' handheld — third party & successor to xbox RoG Ally X ($800 to $1000)
   1. Cpu & io in one 3nm chip, GPU in another 3nm chip
   2. This is the medusa Premium, one step below the Medusa Halo & slots into current strix point socket
   3. 24 CU (AT4)
   4. 128 bit lpddr5x or lpddr6 (24gb+ ram? — as this is PC there is no upper limit)

As you can see above the xbox handheld & console likely share same cpu configuration but memory is gddr7 for console vs lpddr for handheld & GPU is in approx ratio of 3:1 — which is same as current series S & X

This basically means that price of series S has doubled & price of series X would be same as rtx 5080 Street price by next year end

Is the console war over? Next-gen Xbox could be aiming at PCs, not PS6​

News
By Tony Polanco published August 5, 2025
The next Xbox could be a radical departure from past consoles

https://www.tomsguide.com/gaming/xb...-next-gen-xbox-could-be-aiming-at-pcs-not-ps6


right now, consoles don’t evolve much (if at all) during their lifespans. Magnus’ design could allow Microsoft to mix dies whenever the company wants to upgrade the console, potentially resulting in more frequent updates than the typical seven-year console lifecycle. Digital Foundry also said this design could effectively move Xbox away from the standard console “generation” we've known.

If everything Digital Foundry discusses comes true, then the next Xbox would be akin to a pre-built PC, as rumors have recently suggested. Though this system could be more expensive than a home console, it could be more affordable than one of the best gaming PCs.

Digital Foundry Explores AMD Magnus Leak, Hints at Major Xbox Hardware Shift​

The broader goal, as the hosts inferred, appears to be a convergence of Xbox hardware with the PC gaming market. By adopting a modular design and offering more scalable hardware, Microsoft may abandon the traditional console lifecycle altogether in favor of a more iterative model. This would also align with AMD’s interests in expanding its hardware footprint, particularly against Nvidia in the GPU market.

https://twistedvoxel.com/digital-fo...gnus-leak-hints-at-major-xbox-hardware-shift/

 

[marees]

This is old news by now, but putting it here for reference' sake





If we go by rumours it appears that Microsoft (in contrast to Sony) has given up on the subsidized console model

Sony is targeting

1. PS6 — same price as base PS5
   1. Monolithic 3nm
   2. 8x zen6c cores (+ 2x zen6lp cores)
   3. 54? CU
   4. 160 bit gddr7 bus (memory is 20gb, 30gb, or 40gb)
2. PS6 handheld — same price as Switch 2
   1. Monolithic 3nm
   2. 4x zen6c cores (+ 2x zen6lp cores)
   3. 16 CU
   4. LPDDR5x or LPDDR6X (16gb or 24gb ram)

Microsoft targetting

1. Xbox — first party but potentially unsubsidized
   1. Cpu & io in one 3nm chip, GPU in another 3nm chip
   2. CPU & io chip to be shared with the xbox handheld? — see below
   3. 72? or less CU (AT2 — Magnus)
   4. 192 bit gddr7 bus (24gb ram? )
2. 'Xbox' handheld — third party & successor to xbox RoG Ally X ($800 to $1000)
   1. Cpu & io in one 3nm chip, GPU in another 3nm chip
   2. This is the medusa Premium, one step below the Medusa Halo & slots into current strix point socket
   3. 24 CU (AT4)
   4. 128 bit lpddr5x or lpddr6 (24gb+ ram? — as this is PC there is no upper limit)

As you can see above the xbox handheld & console likely share same cpu configuration but memory is gddr7 for console vs lpddr for handheld & GPU is in approx ratio of 3:1 — which is same as current series S & X

This basically means that price of series S has doubled & price of series X would be same as rtx 5080 Street price by next year end

Is the console war over? Next-gen Xbox could be aiming at PCs, not PS6​

News
By Tony Polanco published August 5, 2025
The next Xbox could be a radical departure from past consoles

https://www.tomsguide.com/gaming/xb...-next-gen-xbox-could-be-aiming-at-pcs-not-ps6


right now, consoles don’t evolve much (if at all) during their lifespans. Magnus’ design could allow Microsoft to mix dies whenever the company wants to upgrade the console, potentially resulting in more frequent updates than the typical seven-year console lifecycle. Digital Foundry also said this design could effectively move Xbox away from the standard console “generation” we've known.

If everything Digital Foundry discusses comes true, then the next Xbox would be akin to a pre-built PC, as rumors have recently suggested. Though this system could be more expensive than a home console, it could be more affordable than one of the best gaming PCs.

Digital Foundry Explores AMD Magnus Leak, Hints at Major Xbox Hardware Shift​

The broader goal, as the hosts inferred, appears to be a convergence of Xbox hardware with the PC gaming market. By adopting a modular design and offering more scalable hardware, Microsoft may abandon the traditional console lifecycle altogether in favor of a more iterative model. This would also align with AMD’s interests in expanding its hardware footprint, particularly against Nvidia in the GPU market.

https://twistedvoxel.com/digital-fo...gnus-leak-hints-at-major-xbox-hardware-shift/

Xbox handheld (medusa premium) vs console (magnus)

 

[ToTTenTranz]

Xbox handheld (medusa premium) vs console (magnus)
View attachment 130342

Let me play my Steam and XBGP games on those two and Sony won't see my money next gen. Despite me having been a PSP + Vita + PS4 + PS4 Pro + PSVR + PS5 + PSVR2 user for almost 20 years now.

 

[marees]

In the light of gamepass hike & retailers such as Costco pulling xbox stock, it appears Microsoft is still on track to create the next xbox (hopefully launch by 25th anniversary, next November)

Over at reset era, user HeisenbergFX4 (who seems to be employed at Microsoft?) says that there are agreements already finalized with AMD which will be difficult to break for Microsoft

News - Microsoft revamps Xbox Game Pass plans and hikes Ultimate to $29.99 a month, Ultimate gets Ubisoft+ Classics and more

Xbox Game Pass, the most UNaffordable deal in gaming :messenger_tears_of_joy: Halo won't be back

www.neogaf.com

No, they have not thrown the towel in at Xbox, the question is does MS keep giving them lifelines

Xbox is in super deep on this next gen console, I think its still coming but my confidence is way lower than my 99% I have been saying

I would assume if they pull the plug Xbox hardware division could just file bankruptcy to avoid paying out the contracts they already have with the likes of AMD

 

[marees]

Microsoft chat (AI chatbot?) confirms that next console will release in 2026

https://twitter.com/x/status/1974660750997442865

 

[marees]

Vote here:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1974821558284906895

 

[marees]

it was our sources that confirmed the existence of the Xbox Series X|S, their specs, their price, in addition to reports on the cancelled cloud "Keystone" console, the shelved first-party Xbox handheld, and more recently, the Xbox Ally. Codenamed Kennan and comprised of Omni (Xbox Ally) and Horseman (Xbox Ally X), the Xbox Ally range is part of Microsoft's multi-year partnership with AMD, which will include tailor-made devices from first party.

I've asked multiple trusted sources, many of whom spoke to me on the above devices previously which turned out to be true, about what Xbox's present hardware posture is. For now, it remains unchanged.

Microsoft publicly confirmed that it's still committed to first-party Xbox hardware over the summer, with comments from both President Sarah Bond and AMD CEO Lisa Su on silicon that would power next-gen Xbox devices — both from third and first-party.


From what I've been told, the hardware plans are not even "up in the air," and remain firmly Xbox's path forward. Xbox Series X|S hardware production has not ceased, and new stock will go out to retailers at its usual cadence.

No, Xbox's next gen console hardware plans aren't cancelled — for now, but it's a problem that it was really easy to believe

Rumors are swirling that Xbox is going to kill its hardware ecosystem. It's not true ... for now, but it easily could've been true, given how nonsensically Xbox acts lately.

www.windowscentral.com

 

[marees]

"Prototypes have been issued"

https://twitter.com/x/status/1974848353885454582

 

[marees]

Could the next Xbox come earlier than expected ?

I was a bit taken back by the clearing out of inventory from bulk retailers such as CostCo & SamsClub !

Could this mean than Microsoft has no choice but to double down on releasing next gen hardware asap ?

1. New hardware will support steam thus it will be a hit just like Ally & Legion Go
2. Microsoft might try to convince the admin that the new Xbox is a PC (& hence lower tariffs)
3. Ditch series S compatibility & get ready for new gen games (such as call of Duty)
4. Get the bragging rights over PS5 pro
5. Also go for aggressive "free" cloud gaming promotion to upsell gamepass subscriptions & games purchase via store
6. Basically a fresh start — or a last roll of the dice

What do you think ?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1974937632783397350

 

[marees]

Vote here:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1974821558284906895

It is more expensive for Microsoft to cancel the first party console rather than go ahead with it

Microsoft: We are actively investing in our future first-party consoles and devices designed, engineered and built by Xbox.

MS bread and butter is enterprise software; there is zero threat from Steam OS there. The danger would be PC gamers switching from Windows to Linux. The irony is that those SteamOS gamers would still be playing games written for a Windows OS and that MS would still make money selling games to...

www.neogaf.com

 

[igor_kavinski]

M$ is dumb. Instead of making a more expensive console, they should make a cheaper one and then optimize the hell out of software because they are a SOFTWARE company. How stupid can they be?

 

[quikah]

M$ is dumb. Instead of making a more expensive console, they should make a cheaper one and then optimize the hell out of software because they are a SOFTWARE company. How stupid can they be?

LOL, you can only optimize software so much. The hardware has to be there.