Xbox 360 1080p update is now out for download

[KLin]

just downloaded it and tried out some WMV-HD files from microsoft's website. They sound awesome :thumbsup:. I just need to replace my recently sold HDTV with a new one .

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Flashram

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: PricklyPete

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: UpgradeFailure
will it up-convert normal DVD's over component?

IIRC it will only upconvert over VGA.

I think that is what it currently does (up to the selected resolution for the VGA output), but it actually will upconvert over component with this update. I could be wrong though...I'll see if I can find where I read that.

It doesn't upconvert over component beyond 480p. Has to do with laws/regulations involving from whatever DVD standards committee. They won't allow upconverting over an analog signal/component cables. VGA cables are exempt from that though.

The HD drive will do 1080i over component, but not 1080p.

Yep...also DVD consortium/MPAA rules.

Are you sure about that man? So the only way to get 1080p is through HDMI?

No, I believe the 360 HD-DVD drive will feed 1080p over VGA.

 

[KrillBee]

Originally posted by: Flashram


The HD drive will do 1080i over component, but not 1080p.

dang, that really puts microsoft at a disadvantage.

is that a technology limitation or another piracy rule?

 

[KLin]

Originally posted by: KrillBee

Originally posted by: Flashram


The HD drive will do 1080i over component, but not 1080p.

dang, that really puts microsoft at a disadvantage.

is that a technology limitation or another piracy rule?

480p max for DVD's over component, 1080i for HD-DVD

VGA cable only supports 1360x768 max resolution

1080p is 1920x1080.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: KrillBee

Originally posted by: Flashram


The HD drive will do 1080i over component, but not 1080p.

dang, that really puts microsoft at a disadvantage.

is that a technology limitation or another piracy rule?

I believe it's a piracy rule. I don't think this is a limitation MS has imposed of its own free will. I don't think the PS3 will be able to output BR discs at 1080p over component either (but it will be able to send over HDMI, so . . . ).

 

[Antisocial Virge]

Originally posted by: PhattyB
They forgot one of those updates on the list

# Fixed DVD driver back to unhackable status (for now)

Not true. It didn't do anything major to the dvd drives.

 

[Albis]

I'm pretty sure VGA is supposed to do 1080p upconvert with the HD-DVD player

 

[KrillBee]

Originally posted by: KLin

Originally posted by: KrillBee

Originally posted by: Flashram


The HD drive will do 1080i over component, but not 1080p.

dang, that really puts microsoft at a disadvantage.

is that a technology limitation or another piracy rule?

480p max for DVD's over component, 1080i for HD-DVD

VGA cable only supports 1360x768 max resolution

1080p is 1920x1080.

wow, that is sad that the law is limiting hardware from performing at its highest capability.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: KLin

Originally posted by: KrillBee

Originally posted by: Flashram


The HD drive will do 1080i over component, but not 1080p.

dang, that really puts microsoft at a disadvantage.

is that a technology limitation or another piracy rule?

480p max for DVD's over component, 1080i for HD-DVD

VGA cable only supports 1360x768 max resolution

1080p is 1920x1080.

I think they were understating the ability of the VGA cord, since when it was released there were no sets with 1080p inputs.

According to MS, the VGA cable will allow 1080p HD-DVD playback.

 

[krotchy]

Originally posted by: Jack Ryan
I have the sceptre 42 inch grand naga. Xbox is hooked up via component. The 1080p setting looks all messed up. Anyone know if this TV only does 1080p via hdmi or vga? The TV says 1080p, so it recognized the change but it is all messed up (picture on the left side of the screen)

I have the same set and issue, I checked the manual. It says the VGA input will do 1080i/p, but the Component input will only do 1080i. So a 360->VGA cable should work.

 

[UpgradeFailure]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: KLin

Originally posted by: KrillBee

Originally posted by: Flashram


The HD drive will do 1080i over component, but not 1080p.

dang, that really puts microsoft at a disadvantage.

is that a technology limitation or another piracy rule?

480p max for DVD's over component, 1080i for HD-DVD

VGA cable only supports 1360x768 max resolution

1080p is 1920x1080.

I think they were understating the ability of the VGA cord, since when it was released there were no sets with 1080p inputs.

According to MS, the VGA cable will allow 1080p HD-DVD playback.

So the HD-DVD player won't upconvert normal DVD's via component? I could have sworn Major Nelson said Xbox only needed vga to do that, but the HD-DVD would upconvert via component.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: UpgradeFailure

So the HD-DVD player won't upconvert normal DVD's via component? I could have sworn Major Nelson said Xbox only needed vga to do that, but the HD-DVD would upconvert via component.

I think it will deinterlace to 480p but not upconvert. I guess we'll see in a week, if not sooner. Honestly I think upconverting is only a benefit if your set doesn't do a good job doing it. I have and like an upconverting player, but I don't know how beneficial it is. I believe my TV (a Samsung DLP) has a Faroudja chip for upconverting anyway.

 

[Eug]

4:3 DVDs stretched on my TV <-- Limitation of my TV, but my other DVD player and my cable box have settings to compensate for it. The Xbox 360 does not.

16:9 1080p WMV video is squished on my TV <-- This time it's the Xbox 360 that is borked.

My TV is 16:9 widescreen, and running 1080i, connected to the Xbox 360 via component.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Flashram

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: PricklyPete

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: UpgradeFailure
will it up-convert normal DVD's over component?

IIRC it will only upconvert over VGA.

I think that is what it currently does (up to the selected resolution for the VGA output), but it actually will upconvert over component with this update. I could be wrong though...I'll see if I can find where I read that.

It doesn't upconvert over component beyond 480p. Has to do with laws/regulations involving from whatever DVD standards committee. They won't allow upconverting over an analog signal/component cables. VGA cables are exempt from that though.

The HD drive will do 1080i over component, but not 1080p.

Yep...also DVD consortium/MPAA rules.

Are you sure about that man? So the only way to get 1080p is through HDMI?

No, I believe the 360 HD-DVD drive will feed 1080p over VGA.

Yep. 1080p for movies will only be possible through VGA or the rumored HDMI cables that are supposed to come out. 1080p for games can be done over component but there is not even a handful of TVs that can accept a 1080p over component cables.

 

[Looney]

Well i got the update. I was hoping that the dashboard would scale appropriately, but i see no difference (I have the 42" Westinghouse). I guess i'll have to wait till the HD-DVD drive comes out before i really see 1080p.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: krotchy

Originally posted by: Jack Ryan
I have the sceptre 42 inch grand naga. Xbox is hooked up via component. The 1080p setting looks all messed up. Anyone know if this TV only does 1080p via hdmi or vga? The TV says 1080p, so it recognized the change but it is all messed up (picture on the left side of the screen)

I have the same set and issue, I checked the manual. It says the VGA input will do 1080i/p, but the Component input will only do 1080i. So a 360->VGA cable should work.

There are some discussions going on over at the AVS Forums about some Sony sets having issues with 1080p as well.

 

[Yreka]

Any chance of Divx decoding ever happening on the XB360 ?

Im thinking no. Sucks too, the work around is somewhat of a PITA

 

[KingGheedora]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: KrillBee

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: PricklyPete

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: UpgradeFailure
will it up-convert normal DVD's over component?

IIRC it will only upconvert over VGA.

I think that is what it currently does (up to the selected resolution for the VGA output), but it actually will upconvert over component with this update. I could be wrong though...I'll see if I can find where I read that.

It doesn't upconvert over component beyond 480p. Has to do with laws/regulations involving from whatever DVD standards committee. They won't allow upconverting over an analog signal/component cables. VGA cables are exempt from that though.

well thats really silly.
I wonder why that is?

Arrrrrrr.....Piracy me matey. Piracy.

What about piracy though? Isn't Up-converting just taking a signal and trying to make it look nice at a higher resolution? If i wanted to pirate a dvd, I will make a copy of the dvd, not copy the video through an analog output. Doesn't make any sense.

 

[KrillBee]

Originally posted by: KingGheedora

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: KrillBee

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: PricklyPete

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: UpgradeFailure
will it up-convert normal DVD's over component?

IIRC it will only upconvert over VGA.

I think that is what it currently does (up to the selected resolution for the VGA output), but it actually will upconvert over component with this update. I could be wrong though...I'll see if I can find where I read that.

It doesn't upconvert over component beyond 480p. Has to do with laws/regulations involving from whatever DVD standards committee. They won't allow upconverting over an analog signal/component cables. VGA cables are exempt from that though.

well thats really silly.
I wonder why that is?

Arrrrrrr.....Piracy me matey. Piracy.

What about piracy though? Isn't Up-converting just taking a signal and trying to make it look nice at a higher resolution? If i wanted to pirate a dvd, I will make a copy of the dvd, not copy the video through an analog output. Doesn't make any sense.

hddvd wont be as easy to copy right away. people wont just be popping discs in burning one from another. the encryption setup will prevent that (at least in the beginning it will, until someone cracks it)

but... copying via analog video cables would be easier. Hence why screen resolutions may be limited in the future on analog cables.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: KrillBee

Originally posted by: KingGheedora

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: KrillBee

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: PricklyPete

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: UpgradeFailure
will it up-convert normal DVD's over component?

IIRC it will only upconvert over VGA.

I think that is what it currently does (up to the selected resolution for the VGA output), but it actually will upconvert over component with this update. I could be wrong though...I'll see if I can find where I read that.

It doesn't upconvert over component beyond 480p. Has to do with laws/regulations involving from whatever DVD standards committee. They won't allow upconverting over an analog signal/component cables. VGA cables are exempt from that though.

well thats really silly.
I wonder why that is?

Arrrrrrr.....Piracy me matey. Piracy.

What about piracy though? Isn't Up-converting just taking a signal and trying to make it look nice at a higher resolution? If i wanted to pirate a dvd, I will make a copy of the dvd, not copy the video through an analog output. Doesn't make any sense.

hddvd wont be as easy to copy right away. people wont just be popping discs in burning one from another. the encryption setup will prevent that (at least in the beginning it will, until someone cracks it)

but... copying via analog video cables would be easier. Hence why screen resolutions may be limited in the future on analog cables.

Right, but what is the problem with upconverting? The raw data isn't any better than it is at 480p.

 

[Staples]

Does anybody else notice that the video played on the Xbox is not processed at all. WMP or anything really processes the video so even low resolution video does not look totally pixelated with huge color shifts pixel to pixel. When I play it on the Xbox it looks a ton more pixelated than it does in Windows. No one has commented on this so I am wondering if this is just my imagination.

 

[Jack Ryan]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: krotchy

Originally posted by: Jack Ryan
I have the sceptre 42 inch grand naga. Xbox is hooked up via component. The 1080p setting looks all messed up. Anyone know if this TV only does 1080p via hdmi or vga? The TV says 1080p, so it recognized the change but it is all messed up (picture on the left side of the screen)

I have the same set and issue, I checked the manual. It says the VGA input will do 1080i/p, but the Component input will only do 1080i. So a 360->VGA cable should work.

There are some discussions going on over at the AVS Forums about some Sony sets having issues with 1080p as well.

Thanks for the responses krotchy and Queasy! (kinda funny to say that, part of the seven dwarfs?)

 

[probzy]

Wish i had one.

 

[Spineshank]

Originally posted by: PhattyB
They forgot one of those updates on the list

# Fixed DVD driver back to unhackable status (for now)

While people with hacked drives reported problems people without have as well. If you know how to flash your dvd drive then its an easy fix regardless.

 

[Eug]

Originally posted by: Eug
4:3 DVDs stretched on my TV <-- Limitation of my TV, but my other DVD player and my cable box have settings to compensate for it. The Xbox 360 does not.

16:9 1080p WMV video is squished on my TV <-- This time it's the Xbox 360 that is borked.

My TV is 16:9 widescreen, and running 1080i, connected to the Xbox 360 via component.

Hmmm... Maybe the Xbox 360 isn't so borked with the 16:9 1080p WMV video. Why? Cuz it turns out that although they are flagged as 1920x1080, those clips are in fact natively 1440x1080, and just stretched by the video players on Windows (and OS X).

The Xbox 360 is just ignoring the flag and playing them at native resolution.

In a way that might be good for me, if the behaviour is the same for 4:3 HD DVD.