What is the significance of this TERRA flop, is it extremely fast? And does microsoft mean it in terms of floatpoints of the gpu+cpus or just the cpus. A single P4 does not do a third of a Terra flop, nor does 3. How is this possible
Xbox 360 = 1 terra flop?
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They're obvioulsy counting the cpu and the gpu, with it's programmable shaders, and who knows what else. I remember they claimed the original xbox had around 70 mega flops or something, and I was kinda skeptical, because the PS2's EE was listed as 6.4 mflops, and that includes the cpu and 2 vector units. There's no way the original xbox is >10x as powerful as the PS2, so I was skeptical then, and I'm skeptical now about this one.
Still, xbox 360 got them 3 cpus, It seems hellz more powerful than my comp, and games will be fully optimized, I'm so reluctant to buy any parts now. They even claim that the Xbox will have a GPU more powerful than the x850PE. WHICH IS NUTTY. How are they gonna keep this under like 1000 bux. I doubt anyone would pay even 500 for a console.
It is not hell of a lot more powerful than your comp. It is designed to do one thing well but you can't compare an AMD64 cpu and a proprietary 3 cpu setup. There aren't the same. Trust me, if IBM had these chips running faster than the AMD or Intel for that matter in general purpose as it will for specific purpose we would see a lot more of them in the market. Put a 520 in your machine and watch your games soar upto and past the XBOX 360 in terms of performance
Yes, it is the next generation ATI part coming out around summer, early fall. The XBOX 360 is using a variant of that architecture. I having a feeling the PC Part will be more powerful overall but the specs will look theoretically lower because the XBOX is all geared toward one thing.
The world record?
Try 135 teraflops
If anyone thinks 135 XBOX 360 networked together will even come close to this multi-multi million dollar beast they are insane.
I bet you if you strung 135 XBOX 360's together and had 100% linear performance increase you would 2teraflops sustained performance at best. Remember, Microsoft is showing the peak theoretical thoroughput of the XBOX 360 for all the pieces together. Real life performance of those pieces, I have a feeling, won't quite make it to that level
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Here is an example of why you can't compare the XBOX 360 teraflop :roll: to the supercomputer teraflops 100,000 for a couple teraflops in real supercomputer
It is comparing apples and oranges.
So, a string of XBOX 360's will have the same teraflop capability as a million dollar AMD machine. UHHH Nope. It is marketing FUD
Second edit: Remember, the one teraflop is for all the pieces together not just the cpu(s).
Originally posted by: michaelpatrick33
The world record?
Try 135 teraflops
If anyone thinks 135 XBOX 360 networked together will even come close to this multi-multi million dollar beast they are insane.
I bet you if you strung 135 XBOX 360's together and had 100% linear performance increase you would 2teraflops sustained performance at best. Remember, Microsoft is showing the peak theoretical thoroughput of the XBOX 360 for all the pieces together. Real life performance of those pieces, I have a feeling, won't quite make it to that level
Edit
Here is an example of why you can't compare the XBOX 360 teraflop :roll: to the supercomputer teraflops 100,000 for a couple teraflops in real supercomputer
It is comparing apples and oranges.
So, a string of XBOX 360's will have the same teraflop capability as a million dollar AMD machine. UHHH Nope. It is marketing FUD
Second edit: Remember, the one teraflop is for all the pieces together not just the cpu(s).
People always go crazy about the white pages before they see the real thing.
Remember how NV30 was going to crush R300 because it was clocked 500/500?
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(sorry I can't start new post, since my comp won't let me for some reason, but I think the following is still in topic)
Okay, it doesn't matter whether much of Xbox 360 specs are hype or not, since the CPU may turn out to be much scaled down version of CPUs used in Power/G4/G5, and having three cores(like how Cell is, simple core but lots of them). We know its true the graphics capability and processing capability will be neverthless impressive for a console, costing only $300US at introduction(for lowest end).
It hasn't been a problem before, but since the graphics are becoming so realistic, isn't it starting to become a criminal offense to play those games that are so gory? I mean what difference will it make whether you really kill a person, or whether you practice killing with a game, that looks indistinguishable from reality? This violence that's in some games, are beyond what pornographic material or some games like Soldier of Fortune are rated, since pornography generally isn't considered a crime, while killing is. What do you guys think? I think its ironic that we are jailing people for killing people, but accepting those that are doing the same thing in games, which in future(as close as xbox 360 introduction) won't be different from reality as games will be so realistic looking.
Okay, it doesn't matter whether much of Xbox 360 specs are hype or not, since the CPU may turn out to be much scaled down version of CPUs used in Power/G4/G5, and having three cores(like how Cell is, simple core but lots of them). We know its true the graphics capability and processing capability will be neverthless impressive for a console, costing only $300US at introduction(for lowest end).
It hasn't been a problem before, but since the graphics are becoming so realistic, isn't it starting to become a criminal offense to play those games that are so gory? I mean what difference will it make whether you really kill a person, or whether you practice killing with a game, that looks indistinguishable from reality? This violence that's in some games, are beyond what pornographic material or some games like Soldier of Fortune are rated, since pornography generally isn't considered a crime, while killing is. What do you guys think? I think its ironic that we are jailing people for killing people, but accepting those that are doing the same thing in games, which in future(as close as xbox 360 introduction) won't be different from reality as games will be so realistic looking.
i believe you might be off by several orders or magitude. the cpu (700mhz p3 if i remember) in the orginal xbox alone was probably roughly a gflop, and an a64 or p4 might be in the 4-5 gfop range, if not higher. The GPU is were the real processing power is, however. The 3 cores in the xbox 360 might be only in the 10 gflop range out of the supposed 1000 gflops claimed. The rest must be coming for the GPU.
think about this though. the native resolution of the xbox will be 19??x1080. The GPU will have to render 2 million or so pixels at least 30-40 times a second, with many calculations going into each pixel. Some existing gfx cards can render almost a billion pixels a second in older games like quake3, with many operations going into the rendering of each pixel.
I think you can trust the specs and right now today it well cream a PC but there is a wild card that the PC just drew PPU. So the PC well infact over power the new generation consuls faster than before. Xbox might be faster for a few months. PS3 will be slower because there getting 2 the table to late.
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Right... the Xbox 360 CPU is a tri core PowerPC chip made by IBM. The PS3 uses a Cell processor with 8 physical cores, only 7 of which are "enabled" to improve yields.
*EDIT* Makes ya wonder if maybe the Xbox 360's CPU is a quad core PowerPC chip with one core disabled to improve yields...
**EDIT** Oh... and yeah, I agree that the 1 Tflop is marketing BS. This is a cluster of 256 2.2 GHz Opteron processors... and it's right around 1 Tflop. The PowerPC chip may be more efficient... and the GPU may have a lot more power than a CPU... but... a tri core PowerPC chip and a GPU being equal to two hundred fifty six 2.2 GHz Opterons? I'm gonna have to say "pssshhaw."
LOL the same type of hype comes out all the time, regardless of the maker. I clearly remember Nintendo's hype over the upcoming N64 system, with chips developed by SGI, making it on par with SGI supercomputers. Yea, right!
Sell console units at a loss at affordable prices, then make up for it by charging more for the games.
The games are expensive, but those who have a console will buy games for it.
On the other hand, if the console unit itself was too expensive, too few people would buy it and what good would lower priced game cost do then?
The same process will play out as it has for the past 2 generations. The PS3/360 will be more powerful for the first few years of their ~5 year lifespan (if the past is any indication of the future). Then, somewhere along the line, PC's will surpass the PS3/360 in performance for a few years. Then the PS4/Xbox whatever will be introduced. And the cycle will repeat.
So yea, the next generation consules outclass current PC's. But it won't stay that way.
Who ever said that makers sell the hardware at a loss and then recoup the loss on games is dead on. Sell the hardware at a loss, recoup it on games with their huge profit margins (after you recoup devlopnment costs, any additional sales are basically pure profit.)
So yea, the next generation consules outclass current PC's. But it won't stay that way.
Who ever said that makers sell the hardware at a loss and then recoup the loss on games is dead on. Sell the hardware at a loss, recoup it on games with their huge profit margins (after you recoup devlopnment costs, any additional sales are basically pure profit.)
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They derived the 100 or so GFlop on the Xbox 360 and 200 on PS3 on single precision FP, which I heard was important for games. For general purpose CPU like Pentiums, the rating is different from what MS and Sony is using for their consoles, so they are not comparable. But the numbers in the Xbox 360 and PS3 is useful for games.
Considering the fact you aren't practicing to then in real life kill someone. Games as a form of entertainment can be a fun and mature outlet.
I think that motion picture provide a much more realistic form of explict material. Though with our rating system it's fairly easy to compare mature content, against more family oriented content. Television can be extremely graphic. Go watch the news, or real police shows like Cops. You'll find actual real footage of people dead. Are there warnings or censorship of this particular types of footage? Entertainment takes up many forms, and as long is it is just that (entertainment), then whatever venue you choose to follow shouldn't matter.
If I pick up a Nascar game, and get bored and crash into other cars, the depiction of vehicles racing is quite realistic. This does not in anyway mean that I'm practicing to slam into actual drivers. If you cannot see the difference between games, movies, and other forms of virtual entertainment than you seriously require help. As in real psychotherapy.
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Oh, yeah now you are calling me a psycho eh? Don't you know they associate Doom with the Columbian high school shooting, even though it may not seem as apparent. Plus, even with the ratings, even 10 year old kids can get M rated games, and at that age, they are affected.
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