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[Jeff7181]

I can't believe I'm seeing this.

They're telling people to go buy 9800 SE's... try modding them to 9800 Pro... and exchange them if they fail? Am I reading this right? That's no better than people RMAing hardware they destroyed by modding/overclocking it. Gawd... what's next?

 

[brunswickite]

yea thats very stupid of them

 

[txxxx]

What's the problem? Unpack it nicely and if it doesnt work unmodified, repack it nicely and send it back.

Then again, there is a good reason why ATI sells these with disabled pipelines in the first place, so I guess its not that great in the first place.

 

[Joker81]

Some cards you can tell by looking at them. They aren't really telling them to try and mod. THey are telling them to look at them and if they are moddable(ie memory is in the right way) then mod them. If they aren't return. Thats how I see it.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: txxxx
What's the problem? Unpack it nicely and if it doesnt work unmodified, repack it nicely and send it back.

Then again, there is a good reason why ATI sells these with disabled pipelines in the first place, so I guess its not that great in the first place.

It's unethical... you're costing the retailer and/or manufacturer money by doing that. They can no longer sell it as new without sending it back to the manufacturer to have it "recertified." Otherwise they have to sell it at a reduced price as "open box" or "refurbished."

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: Joker81
Some cards you can tell by looking at them. They aren't really telling them to try and mod. THey are telling them to look at them and if they are moddable(ie memory is in the right way) then mod them. If they aren't return. Thats how I see it.

The manufacturer does not guarantee a highly overclockable card. They guarantee a card that runs at stock speeds. And they all do no matter if they have Samsung or Infinity memory. What memory you get on your card is the luck of the draw... the store should not have to pay for you to hand pick your video card.

 

[txxxx]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: txxxx
What's the problem? Unpack it nicely and if it doesnt work unmodified, repack it nicely and send it back.

Then again, there is a good reason why ATI sells these with disabled pipelines in the first place, so I guess its not that great in the first place.

It's unethical... you're costing the retailer and/or manufacturer money by doing that. They can no longer sell it as new without sending it back to the manufacturer to have it "recertified." Otherwise they have to sell it at a reduced price as "open box" or "refurbished."

So? Why should I care? Retailers in the UK really take the absolute piss when it comes to price margins....

Example, the famous Dixon Store Group owned PCWorld. A pack of 10 DVD-RW's would cost you £50 from there. Any local supplier in my area could do that for £10-12 ....

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: txxxx

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: txxxx
What's the problem? Unpack it nicely and if it doesnt work unmodified, repack it nicely and send it back.

Then again, there is a good reason why ATI sells these with disabled pipelines in the first place, so I guess its not that great in the first place.

It's unethical... you're costing the retailer and/or manufacturer money by doing that. They can no longer sell it as new without sending it back to the manufacturer to have it "recertified." Otherwise they have to sell it at a reduced price as "open box" or "refurbished."

So? Why should I care? Retailers in the UK really take the absolute piss when it comes to price margins....

You can justify your unethical practices any way you like. The bottom line is it's unethical and you know it and chose to do it anyway. Just don't bitch and complain when new video cards are out of your price range because retailers jack up the prices to cover the cost of the people who buy, play with, and return items.

 

[txxxx]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: txxxx

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: txxxx
What's the problem? Unpack it nicely and if it doesnt work unmodified, repack it nicely and send it back.

Then again, there is a good reason why ATI sells these with disabled pipelines in the first place, so I guess its not that great in the first place.

It's unethical... you're costing the retailer and/or manufacturer money by doing that. They can no longer sell it as new without sending it back to the manufacturer to have it "recertified." Otherwise they have to sell it at a reduced price as "open box" or "refurbished."

So? Why should I care? Retailers in the UK really take the absolute piss when it comes to price margins....

You can justify your unethical practices any way you like. The bottom line is it's unethical and you know it and chose to do it anyway. Just don't bitch and complain when new video cards are out of your price range because retailers jack up the prices to cover the cost of the people who buy, play with, and return items.

HAHAHA who said I went to retailers ? I go to small chains who actually offer a decent price in the first place, so I wouldnt have to consider crap like the 9800SE. And I wouldnt buy an "enthusiast" card anyway.

They charge high prices because stupid geeks with nothing better to do with $500 will blow it on a 9800XT.
Supply and demand..... Now get off your high horse!

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: txxxx

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: txxxx

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: txxxx
What's the problem? Unpack it nicely and if it doesnt work unmodified, repack it nicely and send it back.

Then again, there is a good reason why ATI sells these with disabled pipelines in the first place, so I guess its not that great in the first place.

It's unethical... you're costing the retailer and/or manufacturer money by doing that. They can no longer sell it as new without sending it back to the manufacturer to have it "recertified." Otherwise they have to sell it at a reduced price as "open box" or "refurbished."

So? Why should I care? Retailers in the UK really take the absolute piss when it comes to price margins....

You can justify your unethical practices any way you like. The bottom line is it's unethical and you know it and chose to do it anyway. Just don't bitch and complain when new video cards are out of your price range because retailers jack up the prices to cover the cost of the people who buy, play with, and return items.

HAHAHA who said I went to retailers ? I go to small chains who actually offer a decent price in the first place, so I wouldnt have to consider crap like the 9800SE. And I wouldnt buy an "enthusiast" card anyway.

They charge high prices because stupid geeks with nothing better to do with $500 will blow it on a 9800XT.
Supply and demand..... Now get off your high horse!

You just made my point for me. Don't buy from the retailers who inflate the price of $10 item to $50... then your justification for returning a card that doesn't overclock is irrelivant and all you're doing is causing the "small chains who actually offer a decent price in the first place" to lose money. Pretty soon there won't be any decent prices left if everyone had the same attitude as you do.

 

[txxxx]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: txxxx

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: txxxx

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: txxxx
What's the problem? Unpack it nicely and if it doesnt work unmodified, repack it nicely and send it back.

Then again, there is a good reason why ATI sells these with disabled pipelines in the first place, so I guess its not that great in the first place.

It's unethical... you're costing the retailer and/or manufacturer money by doing that. They can no longer sell it as new without sending it back to the manufacturer to have it "recertified." Otherwise they have to sell it at a reduced price as "open box" or "refurbished."

So? Why should I care? Retailers in the UK really take the absolute piss when it comes to price margins....

You can justify your unethical practices any way you like. The bottom line is it's unethical and you know it and chose to do it anyway. Just don't bitch and complain when new video cards are out of your price range because retailers jack up the prices to cover the cost of the people who buy, play with, and return items.

HAHAHA who said I went to retailers ? I go to small chains who actually offer a decent price in the first place, so I wouldnt have to consider crap like the 9800SE. And I wouldnt buy an "enthusiast" card anyway.

They charge high prices because stupid geeks with nothing better to do with $500 will blow it on a 9800XT.
Supply and demand..... Now get off your high horse!

You just made my point for me. Don't buy from the retailers who inflate the price of $10 item to $50... then your justification for returning a card that doesn't overclock is irrelivant and all you're doing is causing the "small chains who actually offer a decent price in the first place" to lose money. Pretty soon there won't be any decent prices left if everyone had the same attitude as you do.

Well, one life, and it certainly isnt fair So I dont intend to play fair...

Oh and you'll find my attitude is proberly quite common too

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: txxxx

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: txxxx

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: txxxx

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: txxxx
What's the problem? Unpack it nicely and if it doesnt work unmodified, repack it nicely and send it back.

Then again, there is a good reason why ATI sells these with disabled pipelines in the first place, so I guess its not that great in the first place.

It's unethical... you're costing the retailer and/or manufacturer money by doing that. They can no longer sell it as new without sending it back to the manufacturer to have it "recertified." Otherwise they have to sell it at a reduced price as "open box" or "refurbished."

So? Why should I care? Retailers in the UK really take the absolute piss when it comes to price margins....

You can justify your unethical practices any way you like. The bottom line is it's unethical and you know it and chose to do it anyway. Just don't bitch and complain when new video cards are out of your price range because retailers jack up the prices to cover the cost of the people who buy, play with, and return items.

HAHAHA who said I went to retailers ? I go to small chains who actually offer a decent price in the first place, so I wouldnt have to consider crap like the 9800SE. And I wouldnt buy an "enthusiast" card anyway.

They charge high prices because stupid geeks with nothing better to do with $500 will blow it on a 9800XT.
Supply and demand..... Now get off your high horse!

You just made my point for me. Don't buy from the retailers who inflate the price of $10 item to $50... then your justification for returning a card that doesn't overclock is irrelivant and all you're doing is causing the "small chains who actually offer a decent price in the first place" to lose money. Pretty soon there won't be any decent prices left if everyone had the same attitude as you do.

Well, one life, and it certainly isnt fair So I dont intend to play fair...

So you're proud of your lack of morals. That's fine. But a major review site like X-Bit Labs shouldn't encourage such things.

 

[Shockwave]

If you go to small stores you have a good chance of hand picking your items. When I bought a Thunderbird back in the day i asked to see all the inventory and went through and picked one that didnt have cut bridges. The guy knew what I was doing, but he just helped other customers while I made my choice. He didnt mind, as he was making a sale, and I sure didnt mind cause I got a hand picked processor. Which by the way made it to 1 gig from the stock 800.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: Shockwave
If you go to small stores you have a good chance of hand picking your items. When I bought a Thunderbird back in the day i asked to see all the inventory and went through and picked one that didnt have cut bridges. The guy knew what I was doing, but he just helped other customers while I made my choice. He didnt mind, as he was making a sale, and I sure didnt mind cause I got a hand picked processor. Which by the way made it to 1 gig from the stock 800.

Think he would have been as friendly to you if you had bought 4 of them and returned each of them hoping the next one would be a good overclocker?

 

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: Shockwave
If you go to small stores you have a good chance of hand picking your items. When I bought a Thunderbird back in the day i asked to see all the inventory and went through and picked one that didnt have cut bridges. The guy knew what I was doing, but he just helped other customers while I made my choice. He didnt mind, as he was making a sale, and I sure didnt mind cause I got a hand picked processor. Which by the way made it to 1 gig from the stock 800.

Think he would have been as friendly to you if you had bought 4 of them and returned each of them hoping the next one would be a good overclocker?

Not even close. But the point is that I went to a place that would let me look at the product and choose the one I needed. I'm sure I could do the same with video cards. But either way (getting to choose or leaving it to luck) you shouldnt return perfectly good hardware JUSt because it cant be overclocked. Thats borderline theft IMO.