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X99 and Haswell-E CPUs

Mars999

Mars999

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I read a rumor today that Intel is now going to skip IB-E and go to Haswell-E and need a new chipset X99 and keep the 2011 pin layout...

Anyone else hear this?

If so that maybe why they are delaying the release until end of year, which I am cool with as I hope it brings power usage down, and many new features, on the CPU as well as the chipset.

I will be looking forward to that build finally.

Thoughts...
 
Mars999 said:
I read a rumor today that Intel is now going to skip IB-E and go to Haswell-E and need a new chipset X99 and keep the 2011 pin layout...

Anyone else hear this?

If so that maybe why they are delaying the release until end of year, which I am cool with as I hope it brings power usage down, and many new features, on the CPU as well as the chipset.

I will be looking forward to that build finally.

Thoughts...
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Not likely, unfortunately. IVB-E is the next step.
 
VirtualLarry said:
It would indeed be sweet if Haswell-E is on Socket 2011 too. But Intel has invested too much into IVB-E to just can it.
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Seems unlikely to have the whole new arch, that is coming with new chipsets, be backwards compatible with socket 2011. That would be very un-Intel.
 
So far it's just unverified and pretty wild rumor started by TweakTown. Both links link back to them as the source.

As much as I wish it was true and want to believe it, it's incredibly unlikely for a lot of different reasons. Most likely, X99 is real but it won't launch until Has-E does late 2014. :'(
 
As a relative new initiated in this hobby this is my take:
If per core performance improvement for Haswell is about 15% or lower as compared to IVB then it will be a no brainer for Intel to release IVB-E since the attractive are the extra cores, the more the better. If Haswell per core performance improvements over IVB are about 20% or better, then It will become harder for Intel to sell IVB-E unless they release it with 8+ cores. Again I’m not talking about needs only wants.
 
Don't see how Haswell-E could use the same socket as SB-E or IB-E any more than was the case for the mainstream products.

But if they are going to change the socket, then for the love of all that is holy, change the number of pins as they have done on the mainstream side, to avoid confusion.
 
I really doubt this. They already have the server chips that will be used for IB-E derivatives. Why would they not take advantage of what they already have there and ready to sell for their extreme lineup in lieu of waiting until whenever Haswell-E is ready ?

By the way they have handled SB-E and IB-E, I don't think we'll see Haswell-E until 2014. That is a long time to go without a new extreme CPU since SB-E was released.
 
The -E line is a side effect of the Xeon line. It really doesn't exist in an of itself.

The Xeon line is far too profitable to skip a generation.

This is just wild rumor and nothing more. We've already seen the rumor as well. It was wild rumor then too.
 
Grooveriding said:
By the way they have handled SB-E and IB-E, I don't think we'll see Haswell-E until 2014. That is a long time to go without a new extreme CPU since SB-E was released.
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This would fall in line exactly with their previous release, the Nehalem X58 chipset Socket 1366 based which were released in Fall 2008 and not replaced until Fall 2011 with the Socket 2011 SB-E.

Intel typically has a 3 year period between server / workstation chipset releases.
 
Ajay said:
And that clearly shows that this rumor is bogus. DDR4 won't be out in high volume till 2014.
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Why is it bogus? Haswell-E/EP/EX wont be out till 2014 either.

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ShintaiDK said:
Why is it bogus? Haswell-E/EP/EX wont be out till 2014 either.
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This 'rumor' meaning that Intel will skip IVB-E and go to Haswell-E typically implies H-E coming out earlier than 2014, that's all. I wasn't discounting what you said at all. Sorry if I wasn't clear.
 
it would make zero sense to skip IVB-E since they are already producing the die for IVB-EP...so basically this is a bogus rumor
 
Ajay said:
This 'rumor' meaning that Intel will skip IVB-E and go to Haswell-E typically implies H-E coming out earlier than 2014, that's all. I wasn't discounting what you said at all. Sorry if I wasn't clear.
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Yes, thats just a silly rumour. Also IB-E will use x79 as well.
 
Silly rumor? Well you don't really know that do you? There's no rule set in stone that they CANT skip Ivy Bridge - if Haswell is better in every respect why not? Personally I hope they skip IB-E.

Speaking as an enthusiast. I know many people skipped SB-E due to the fact that IB has higher single thread performance, which means equal or better performance in *most* day computing applications and games. Yes, I'm aware that massively threaded applications are better on SB-E however those applications are few and far between, that's pretty much a fact.

If IB-E is skipped, that makes it much more likely that people like myself will go with Haswell E rather than just the better single threaded (compared to a theoretical ivy bridge-E) Haswell. From what i'm hearing of Haswell i'm inclined to not go with IB-E...Haswell should overclock better, it is unlocked on both multiplier and busspeed, and has better efficiency? Who would want IB-E over Haswell-E in that respect? So I hope this rumor is true. Hoping for Haswell E this year.
 
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For the sake of argument, if Intel did bump up Haswell-E (and the entire Xeon generation with it) they would probably respin the silicon using DDR3 memory controllers and skip using DDR4 until the next generation. Intel has stated publicly they are committing to DDR4 by 2015.

One of the several problems with this rumor is that it takes a lengthy process for OEMs to get, test, and build motherboards around a new processor. And then they still need to qualify their products with the new Intel processors. If Intel decided to do this it would've had to been done six plus months ago.

Some other reasons that cast doubt on the rumor:

There was a great deal of talk regarding refreshed X79 boards set to launch alongside IV-E, all of that would immediately be wrong. (That said, it's been over six months since X79 was mentioned in an Anandtech article of any sort)

Intel roadmaps as recently as 3 months ago still list IV-E as launching Q4.

BallaTheFeared said:
Is DDR4 quad pumped?
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No, still double-data rate. DDR4 brings higher frequencies well past 3,000Mhz and lower voltages, 1.2v to eventually 1.05v.
 
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