x850xt games performances

[Niflheim]

so ok, i recently bought a radeon x850xt 256mb. from what i read, i could play like half-life 2 in high resolution and high everything with AA and AF pretty neat too and battlefield 2 with everything at high in around 1280x960.
i always play at 1280x960, even if my computer can handle a higher resolution.

so i thought, nice, looks like the perfect card for me since im mostly playing half-life 2, battlefield 2, f.e.a.r. and am eagerly awaiting games like aftermath and oblivion. i didnt mind lowering a bit my settings for newer games.

but well, i received the card, plugged it in, installed drivers and stuff and then, as a test, starts battlefield 2. it sucks.
i tried lots of different video configuration, i didnt find any that would give nice graphics and smooth gameplay. now, im at 1280x960, everything at medium and 2 or 3 settings at low, AA is off and i cant even play. well ok, if im alone in a building looking down, that's nice. but if something explodes 200m away, if a jeep comes by or 3 guys shoot at the same time, its unplayable.
i even tried in 1024x768 with everything at medium. almost the same crappy gameplay. anyway, with such a card, i dont intend on playing games at 1024x768 on low settings.

i then tried half-life 2, just to see. 1280x960, high quality, AA 4xand AF 16x (as a test) and when i get out on the Plaza in the beginning, too low fps to enjoy it. same thing if i turn off AA and AF.
i felt like biting my fists.
i tried fable : the lost chapters to see and i had problems too, even if i could play right with my geforce 6600.

so dammit, what's wrong? i looked the forum, people everywhere saying how that card could last at least a year and how it could play most of the current games in wonderful quality.
is it me, my computer?

i have a pentium 4 3ghz with 1gb or ram.
i downloaded the latest drivers from ati (not nvidia hihi).

i hate my computer.

thanks

 

[Frostwake]

i downloaded the latest drivers from nvidia.

I hope this is a typo.. lol other then that huh.. tried runing 3dmark? (its still useful to check if your system is working properly)

 

[necro007]

Originally posted by: Niflheim
so ok, i recently bought a radeon x850xt 256mb. from what i read, i could play like half-life 2 in high resolution and high everything with AA and AF pretty neat too and battlefield 2 with everything at high in around 1280x960.
i always play at 1280x960, even if my computer can handle a higher resolution.

so i thought, nice, looks like the perfect card for me since im mostly playing half-life 2, battlefield 2, f.e.a.r. and am eagerly awaiting games like aftermath and oblivion. i didnt mind lowering a bit my settings for newer games.

but well, i received the card, plugged it in, installed drivers and stuff and then, as a test, starts battlefield 2. it sucks.
i tried lots of different video configuration, i didnt find any that would give nice graphics and smooth gameplay. now, im at 1280x960, everything at medium and 2 or 3 settings at low, AA is off and i cant even play. well ok, if im alone in a building looking down, that's nice. but if something explodes 200m away, if a jeep comes by or 3 guys shoot at the same time, its unplayable.
i even tried in 1024x768 with everything at medium. almost the same crappy gameplay. anyway, with such a card, i dont intend on playing games at 1024x768 on low settings.

i then tried half-life 2, just to see. 1280x960, high quality, AA 4xand AF 16x (as a test) and when i get out on the Plaza in the beginning, too low fps to enjoy it. same thing if i turn off AA and AF.
i felt like biting my fists.
i tried fable : the lost chapters to see and i had problems too, even if i could play right with my geforce 6600.

so dammit, what's wrong? i looked the forum, people everywhere saying how that card could last at least a year and how it could play most of the current games in wonderful quality.
is it me, my computer?

i have a pentium 4 3ghz with 1gb or ram.
i downloaded the latest drivers from nvidia.

i hate my computer.

thanks

I don't want to sound rude or anything but i think you would get alot better performance if you install ATI drivers instead of Geforce drivers .

 

[Niflheim]

ahahah sorry, im not used to ati yet yes of course, it was ati. catalyst 6.1 i think

 

[dguy6789]

Your problem is memory. I do not care if you have a 7800GTX SLI, you cannot run neither FEAR nor BF2 at maximum settings playably with 1GB of ram.

Try playing Half Life 2 at 1280 max with aa/af and it should be quite smooth and good looking. If you want your gpu to be able to flex it's graphical muscle, then you need to invest in some more memory.

 

[Munky]

Run 3dmark05. Your card should be getting somewhere around 5500-6000, if it's less than either the card is broken, or you have some settings like forced AA enabled in the drivers, or something else in your system is horribly holding back its performance.

 

[Malladine]

Don't be biting any fists k? :laugh:

I'm guessing there were know issues previously?

What was your previous card? Did you run the catalyst uninstall utility before installing new drivers?

If you have a temp monitor on that card, what temp?

Reply on the above and if that doesn't help run prime95 and memtest86 to test ram/cpu/mb stability before entirely blaming the vid card. Maybe you damaged something when installing the thing, who knows.

 

[Malladine]

Originally posted by: dguy6789
Your problem is memory. I do not care if you have a 7800GTX SLI, you cannot run neither FEAR nor BF2 at maximum settings playably with 1GB of ram.

Try playing Half Life 2 at 1280 max with aa/af and it should be quite smooth and good looking. If you want your gpu to be able to flex it's graphical muscle, then you need to invest in some more memory.

I disagree, this shouldn't be an issue at 1280x960. To find out for sure, check task manager when the game is running (you're actually in a game) and compare total commit charge to total physical. If the former is higher you do need more ram to run at current settings. If it isn't, you don't

 

[selfbuilt]

Are your chipset AGP drivers installed? Likely source of the problem. Run 3Dmark05 to determine if your score is appropriate (should be well over 6000 with performance settings, if everything setup correctly). If your score is lower, something is not right - try re-installing AGP drivers, directX, and ATI catalyst drivers (in that order).

 

[Killrose]

Try re-installing everything from scratch. Use Driver Cleaner 3 or the latest DC Pro vers to remove all your old drivers from whatever your previous card was, use the driver cab cleaner function too. Re-install everything.

(1) remove current X850XT drivers as per ATi driver removal instructions.

(2) boot into safe mode and use Driver Cleaner3 (or DC pro vers) function to remove previous card drivers as well as any left-over X850XT drivers.

(3) re-install chipset gart driver only (this has helped me when going from an ATi to a Nvidia card and vis-versa when I got low perf).

(4)re-install latest vers DX9

(5)install current driver for X850XT

Other than that I don't know what to tell you

 

[anandtechrocks]

I almost guaranty Driver Cleaner will fix all of your problems. My X800 GTO @ X850 XTPE speeds destroys FEAR, COD2, AOE3, Quake 4, BF2, and CS:S. I usually run everything at 1280x1024 or 1024x768 with 4xAA and 8xAF, med to high settings.

 

[Niflheim]

Originally posted by: anandtechrocks
My X800 GTO @ X850 XTPE speeds destroys FEAR, COD2, AOE3, Quake 4, BF2, and CS:S. I usually run everything at 1280x1024 or 1024x768 with 4xAA and 8xAF, med to high settings.

thats what im annoyed ahah.

hey thanks for all the replies
im currently downloading 3dmark05 to check it out and ill remove and reinstall the drivers, just to be sure.
oh by the way, ive never seen it like that before, but how would i know if my agp drivers are ok? can i find some easily or do they have to match my motherboard (which is an amazing asus p4p800-e by the way hihi)?

 

[dguy6789]

Originally posted by: Malladine

Originally posted by: dguy6789
Your problem is memory. I do not care if you have a 7800GTX SLI, you cannot run neither FEAR nor BF2 at maximum settings playably with 1GB of ram.

Try playing Half Life 2 at 1280 max with aa/af and it should be quite smooth and good looking. If you want your gpu to be able to flex it's graphical muscle, then you need to invest in some more memory.

I disagree, this shouldn't be an issue at 1280x960. To find out for sure, check task manager when the game is running (you're actually in a game) and compare total commit charge to total physical. If the former is higher you do need more ram to run at current settings. If it isn't, you don't

When I ran games with my X850, 1GB of ram in BF2 was virtually unplayable at maximum settings. Upgrading to 1.5GB of ram fixed the issue. The same can be said about fear, however fear is not as much a ram hog as bf2 is. I can find plenty of people who would agree. Take a look at the old 1GB vs 2GB BF2 thread.

 

[Malladine]

yeah but what res? I thought over 1gb was only utilized at 1600x1200.

 

[Munky]

BF2 utilizes more than 1 gig if you set the texture quality to it's highest setting. Not sure if it's the same in FEAR, but HL2 should definitely have no problem with 1 gig, and neither will BF2 at medium settings, so something else must be wrong.

 

[selfbuilt]

Originally posted by: Niflheim
oh by the way, ive never seen it like that before, but how would i know if my agp drivers are ok? can i find some easily or do they have to match my motherboard (which is an amazing asus p4p800-e by the way hihi)?

I believe that's the Intel 865PE chipset. You can find Intel drivers here:
http://www.intel.com/support/chipsets/sb/CS-009241.htm

Originally posted by: dguy6789
When I ran games with my X850, 1GB of ram in BF2 was virtually unplayable at maximum settings. Upgrading to 1.5GB of ram fixed the issue. The same can be said about fear, however fear is not as much a ram hog as bf2 is. I can find plenty of people who would agree. Take a look at the old 1GB vs 2GB BF2 thread.

The problem with FEAR can be solved by reducing Texture Resolution to medium from high - otherwise you get a lot of "hitching" with 1GB ram. I know, because I played it with everything else on max (except soft shadows) on my X800XTPE/A64 2.3GHz/1GB RAM system and it played very smooth at 1280x1024 with 2XAA/8XAF ... but was unbearable if TR was left to high.

 

[Niflheim]

wow, amazing. i got 3147 at 3Dmark05, and that's at 1024x768 with no AA.
im a bit depressed i think.

 

[Randum]

well i have a similar setup and i can run things on high and im pretty anal about performance. I do have 2gb of ram though, but that shouldnt make a dif, i got about 6000 or so on 3dmark. I would check what things are running on your sys at the same time.

HL2 runs all on high no problem, f.e.a.r. is not the best coded game in the world, and BF2 is a bit buggy.

 

[RedBeard]

Originally posted by: Niflheim
wow, amazing. i got 3147 at 3Dmark05, and that's at 1024x768 with no AA.
im a bit depressed i think.

Time to format and reload FTW!!

 

[JAG87]

ok dude, i think you are overdriving your card. how much do we want to bet he has all the settings in the driver cranked as well as the game settings?

dont expect to run any of the games you mentioned at maxed out settings if your driver settings are maxed out.

go into the contol center/control panel and put
aa app preference
af app preference
texture perfomance
mipmap performance
vsync always off
catalyst a.i. standard
truform always off

i have an x850 xt pe, and i run everygame you mentioned at very playable fps. half life 2 and dod source right now, everything on high, reflect world, shadows high, 4x aa, 8x af, no HDR and i get 60 fps average.
i tried to put all that stuff in the driver settings on high too, and my god does it ever look nice... PHOTOREALISTIC, but 30 fps is not playable.

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: JAG87
ok dude, i think you are overdriving your card. how much do we want to bet he has all the settings in the driver cranked as well as the game settings?

dont expect to run any of the games you mentioned at maxed out settings if your driver settings are maxed out.

go into the contol center/control panel and put
aa app preference
af app preference
texture perfomance
mipmap performance
vsync always off
catalyst a.i. standard
truform always off

i have an x850 xt pe, and i run everygame you mentioned at very playable fps. half life 2 and dod source right now, everything on high, reflect world, shadows high, 4x aa, 8x af, no HDR and i get 60 fps average.
i tried to put all that stuff in the driver settings on high too, and my god does it ever look nice... PHOTOREALISTIC, but 30 fps is not playable.

actually performance texture and mip maps make it look like a DX6 game. Make mipmap and texture to quality(not high quality), truform app preference(it's a nice feature that helps a lot for not too much a fps drop.) vsync app preference is a decent idea o in case some games tear, it can be fixable. otherwise everything else like he said. Also, turn on geometry instancing helps a little bit in high poly areas.

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: Niflheim
wow, amazing. i got 3147 at 3Dmark05, and that's at 1024x768 with no AA.
im a bit depressed i think.

I have a system fairly similar to yours(P4-3.06, 1 gig RAM, Asus P4P800, X850XT) and there is something way off here because I am closer to 6000 in 3Dmark05 on an old bloated windows install with stuff running like AVG, etc.

You need to run DriverCleaner3 and remove both the Nvidia and the ATI drivers and start over fresh. I'm using the Catalyst 5.13's right now but because the latest 6.1's won't do anything for me and these are already installed.

I don't have any issues with HL2, BF2, or even COD2 although my monitor only does 1280x1024 and I don't use AA(I play online and need all my FPS )

 

[Niflheim]

euhm yes ive seen those settings, in 3d or i dont know, but i didnt touch anything.
ill go take a look and see how they were by default though and lower them if so.

 

[JAG87]

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: JAG87
ok dude, i think you are overdriving your card. how much do we want to bet he has all the settings in the driver cranked as well as the game settings?

dont expect to run any of the games you mentioned at maxed out settings if your driver settings are maxed out.

go into the contol center/control panel and put
aa app preference
af app preference
texture perfomance
mipmap performance
vsync always off
catalyst a.i. standard
truform always off

i have an x850 xt pe, and i run everygame you mentioned at very playable fps. half life 2 and dod source right now, everything on high, reflect world, shadows high, 4x aa, 8x af, no HDR and i get 60 fps average.
i tried to put all that stuff in the driver settings on high too, and my god does it ever look nice... PHOTOREALISTIC, but 30 fps is not playable.

actually performance texture and mip maps make it look like a DX6 game. Make mipmap and texture to quality(not high quality), truform app preference(it's a nice feature that helps a lot for not too much a fps drop.) vsync app preference is a decent idea o in case some games tear, it can be fixable. otherwise everything else like he said. Also, turn on geometry instancing helps a little bit in high poly areas.

maybe your thinking of high performance, performance setting looks just as good as quality. and even the fps is roughly the same.

 

[kyniskos]

Uh, got a AMD Barton 3200 and a x850 xt pe, scores roughly (nearly there) 6000 in 3'd mark 05, all stock settings. The thing is..what is your power supply? Had a weak one which couldn't feed the card, and the score was easily down in the 4000. Also slow prosessor and ram WILL hold you back.