X800XL from Gigabyte! They win again!

[GRIdpOOL]

Check out the card we should all buy here at Gigabyte
I expect great things from this core. We will all have to run out and buy one of these. This may be a difficult decision for most of us seeing how they announced their dual GPU card 2 weeks ago. I vote for higher FPS in HL2/CSS for $299. I hope they meet that price point. You be the judge. I originally posted this thinking it was a fanless card. It looks like thier silent pipe as seen on this card.

 

[McArra]

I don't think that's fanless, seems like the cooler from their 6800GT version, which has a fan on the top.

 

[GRIdpOOL]

Well I got all exited for nothing then. Forgive me.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: GRIdpOOL
Well I got all exited for nothing then. Forgive me.

LOL ya think? hehe j/k.

The fan is on the other side so when installed in a system, a person can see it. (??????)
I don't know about the rest of you, but I spend absolutely all day just staring at my video card
throught the plexiglass window in the side of my case. I never game, I just start at my card..

The X800XL is supposed to give the 6800GT some stiff competition in performance. Lets just see if ATI can deliver this card at the mentioned 300.00 MSRP. If availability is low, you can just forget about it.

 

[McArra]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: GRIdpOOL
Well I got all exited for nothing then. Forgive me.

LOL ya think? hehe j/k.

The fan is on the other side so when installed in a system, a person can see it. (??????)
I don't know about the rest of you, but I spend absolutely all day just staring at my video card
throught the plexiglass window in the side of my case. I never game, I just start at my card..

The X800XL is supposed to give the 6800GT some stiff competition in performance. Lets just see if ATI can deliver this card at the mentioned 300.00 MSRP. If availability is low, you can just forget about it.

Also they should make an AGP version... :|

 

[GRIdpOOL]

I wouldn't mind seeing other X800XL cards this week. I have waited long enough to upgrade. I plan on throwing my tax return towards PCI Express and the like. I am finally switching back to AMD after a year on a Northwood P4. I am sorry I ever left.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: GRIdpOOL
I wouldn't mind seeing other X800XL cards this week. I have waited long enough to upgrade. I plan on throwing my tax return towards PCI Express and the like. I am finally switching back to AMD after a year on a Northwood P4. I am sorry I ever left.

Absolutely nothing wrong with a Northwood setup. My 2.8 has been leaving me with nothing to be desired as far as gaming/application performance is concerned. And my P4 is the 533 fsb model.

In short, theres nothing I can't do very well. No game I can't play. When you say "I'm switching to AMD", what your really saying is, "I need 112fps in this game instead of 90fps, so I need to switch to AMD".

It's all hype anyway. I'll always be an Intel/Nvidia user. My 2 cents.

 

[McArra]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: GRIdpOOL
I wouldn't mind seeing other X800XL cards this week. I have waited long enough to upgrade. I plan on throwing my tax return towards PCI Express and the like. I am finally switching back to AMD after a year on a Northwood P4. I am sorry I ever left.

Absolutely nothing wrong with a Northwood setup. My 2.8 has been leaving me with nothing to be desired as far as gaming/application performance is concerned. And my P4 is the 533 fsb model.

In short, theres nothing I can't do very well. No game I can't play. When you say "I'm switching to AMD", what your really saying is, "I need 112fps in this game instead of 90fps, so I need to switch to AMD".

It's all hype anyway. I'll always be an Intel/Nvidia user. My 2 cents.

LOL, I'm a "what is best" user. NVidia/ATi.. I don't mind, whichever works best for me. I like AMD better than Intel, but if intel gives me the same or better with the same or very similar price, I'd go for it.

 

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: GRIdpOOL
I wouldn't mind seeing other X800XL cards this week. I have waited long enough to upgrade. I plan on throwing my tax return towards PCI Express and the like. I am finally switching back to AMD after a year on a Northwood P4. I am sorry I ever left.

Absolutely nothing wrong with a Northwood setup. My 2.8 has been leaving me with nothing to be desired as far as gaming/application performance is concerned. And my P4 is the 533 fsb model.

In short, theres nothing I can't do very well. No game I can't play. When you say "I'm switching to AMD", what your really saying is, "I need 112fps in this game instead of 90fps, so I need to switch to AMD".

It's all hype anyway. I'll always be an Intel/Nvidia user. My 2 cents.

Or possibly "I happen to be building a new system, and AMD gives me more for my money right now...."

Anyway, I'll probably always be with big green as well, at least until ATi's drivers are up to par. While they are tons and gobs and loads better now with the Catalyst Set, I still see less problems with Nvidia cards these days. I think Nvidia still has a small margin in that area.

Anyway, the X800XL looks cool, my big concern is "Can they ship it?" - ATi has had some trouble in that department lately. Nvidia certainly hasn't been a shining example either, but at least you can find their parts in stock at most retailers.

 

[GRIdpOOL]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Absolutely nothing wrong with a Northwood setup. My 2.8 has been leaving me with nothing to be desired as far as gaming/application performance is concerned. And my P4 is the 533 fsb model.

In short, theres nothing I can't do very well. No game I can't play. When you say "I'm switching to AMD", what your really saying is, "I need 112fps in this game instead of 90fps, so I need to switch to AMD".

It's all hype anyway. I'll always be an Intel/Nvidia user. My 2 cents.

Thats how I felt in the late '90s. nVidia and Intel.... I will buy whatever makes sense at the time when I know I need to upgrade. Unfortunately, I need to upgrade again and the Intel socket 775 heaters seem rediculous. This year belongs to AMD and ATI. I can smell it. By the end of February, this path should be clear enough for everyone. I want to soon go dual core CPU when they roll out and I don't want to rebuy a motherboard if I can avoid it. We'll see. I can buy a stop-gap 939 90nm AMD in the mean time that is still a much needed upgrade.

I will buy an X800XL - Maybe 2 I just don't see a better card for the money. I think they will ship enough. They have been embarrassed this past year with unresolved paper launches. I hope both ATI and nVidia have learned their lesson.

 

[McArra]

Anyway, I'll probably always be with big green as well, at least until ATi's drivers are up to par. While they are tons and gobs and loads better now with the Catalyst Set, I still see less problems with Nvidia cards these days. I think Nvidia still has a small margin in that area.

I like Catalyst better, they are faster to use and there are official releases every month. I found Nvidia drivers annoying, you have to research a lot to see which ones you should use. I really liked how ATi worked/works, It's easy to have an official WHQL'd driver, numbering is very easy... I miss Catalyst...

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: McArra

Anyway, I'll probably always be with big green as well, at least until ATi's drivers are up to par. While they are tons and gobs and loads better now with the Catalyst Set, I still see less problems with Nvidia cards these days. I think Nvidia still has a small margin in that area.

I like Catalyst better, they are faster to use and there are official releases every month. I found Nvidia drivers annoying, you have to research a lot to see which ones you should use. I really liked how ATi worked/works, It's easy to have an official WHQL'd driver, numbering is very easy... I miss Catalyst...

I know a ton of people who have the exact same argument against ATI drivers. It's all relative. I wouldn't know because I have not had a ATI card since my 9700np about 2 years ago. I wouldn't mind giving this X800XL a try. One thing to keep in mind however, is although ATI has gone .11u, they have abandoned the low-K process, which means MUCH more crosstalk across transistors and most likely will not yield great overclocks. This is just speculation at this point. But I look forward to more X800XL reviews.

P.S. And I swear to god, if I see one more incarnation of an "X" in ATI's naming scheme, I am going on a Canadian shooting spree!!!

 

[zakee00]

i dont really like the nvidia drivers, right now they have some issues with HL2 that havent been fixed even in the latest 72.24 (i think) ones. i get white and red lines on HL2/CSS with AA enabled on my 6800GT. i tried stock speeds and the lines were still there. Its the drivers.
the layout on the new 70.xx's is really nice though, if they would just fix the issues

 

[McArra]

Originally posted by: zakee00
i dont really like the nvidia drivers, right now they have some issues with HL2 that havent been fixed even in the latest 72.24 (i think) ones. i get white and red lines on HL2/CSS with AA enabled on my 6800GT. i tried stock speeds and the lines were still there. Its the drivers.
the layout on the new 70.xx's is really nice though, if they would just fix the issues

I can't see those problems in my rig, running HL2 @1280x1024 4xAA 8xAF. Smooth as silk and great IQ. Have used 66.93, 67.03 and now using 71.24.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: GRIdpOOL
I wouldn't mind seeing other X800XL cards this week. I have waited long enough to upgrade. I plan on throwing my tax return towards PCI Express and the like. I am finally switching back to AMD after a year on a Northwood P4. I am sorry I ever left.

Absolutely nothing wrong with a Northwood setup. My 2.8 has been leaving me with nothing to be desired as far as gaming/application performance is concerned. And my P4 is the 533 fsb model.

In short, theres nothing I can't do very well. No game I can't play. When you say "I'm switching to AMD", what your really saying is, "I need 112fps in this game instead of 90fps, so I need to switch to AMD".

It's all hype anyway. I'll always be an Intel/Nvidia user. My 2 cents.

Nothing wrong besides slower than crystalized molasis in gaming and just about everything else. No but you might need 90FPS instead of 30 eh?? lets do some real comparisons shall we instead of "guessing" ..


First of all they don't even have sorry 2.8B in testing anymore..so Let give intel a little boost by comparing to a 2.8C/E with full bandwidth SEE2 and HT which everyone knows puts B to shame..

Doom 3
2.8C 67 FPS
AMD 3500 95 FPS

or in the math I learned 41.8% faster
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuch...oc.aspx?i=2149&p=7

Half-Life 2
2.8 a barly playable 56
AMD 3500 playable 75
33% faster
http://www.firingsquad.com/har...cpu_shootout/page6.asp

Comanche 4
2.8 47 FPS
AMD 3500 70 FPS
48.9% faster and playable to boot

Serious Sam SE
2.8 108 FPS
AMD 3500 161FPS
49% faster

http://techreport.com/reviews/...on64-3500/index.x?pg=6

C&C Generals
2.8 an unplayable 46FPS
AMD 3400 Playable 63FPS

http://www.behardware.com/articles/489/page11.html


And so it goes. AMD owns gaming by at least 50% vs. your old 2.8B. If you're too poor to afford AMD I can understand since processor should be last thing on peoples mind. But only blind hatred or stupidity would see it otherwise. I'm not sure which one fits here.

 

[McArra]

Well, you could compare a PIII 1Ghz to an AMD FX-55

Compare it to an A64 2800+/3000+ CPU, which makes more sense. Still A64 will be faster but not as much as 50%, that's for sure.

 

[Zebo]

That would'nt be right since he gave starting parameters, 2.8B. But you're right I went easy on him not using an FX-55 in comparisons.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: GRIdpOOL
Check out the card we should all buy here at Gigabyte
I expect great things from this core. We will all have to run out and buy one of these. This may be a difficult decision for most of us seeing how they announced their dual GPU card 2 weeks ago. I vote for higher FPS in HL2/CSS for $299. I hope they meet that price point. You be the judge. I originally posted this thinking it was a fanless card. It looks like thier silent pipe as seen on this card.

I'm not going to "run out and buy this". I have a XT PE and a 6800NU, what do I need this for? I'd say anyone with a 6800/X800 has no need of this, no one considering SLI has need of this, people who use linux have no need of this, and people who keep their card their card a long time and may want SM3 may not need this, etc..

It's a nice card though at a good MSRP, just not the slamdunk "we all need it" you make it out to be. Obviously the 6800/6800GT market annoyed ATI considerably as they dropped MSRP $50 before it even launched.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: GRIdpOOL
I wouldn't mind seeing other X800XL cards this week. I have waited long enough to upgrade. I plan on throwing my tax return towards PCI Express and the like. I am finally switching back to AMD after a year on a Northwood P4. I am sorry I ever left.

Absolutely nothing wrong with a Northwood setup. My 2.8 has been leaving me with nothing to be desired as far as gaming/application performance is concerned. And my P4 is the 533 fsb model.

In short, theres nothing I can't do very well. No game I can't play. When you say "I'm switching to AMD", what your really saying is, "I need 112fps in this game instead of 90fps, so I need to switch to AMD".

It's all hype anyway. I'll always be an Intel/Nvidia user. My 2 cents.

Nothing wrong besides slower than crystalized molasis in gaming and just about everything else. No but you might need 90FPS instead of 30 eh?? lets do some real comparisons shall we instead of "guessing" ..


First of all they don't even have sorry 2.8B in testing anymore..so Let give intel a little boost by comparing to a 2.8C/E with full bandwidth SEE2 and HT which everyone knows puts B to shame..

Doom 3
2.8C 67 FPS
AMD 3500 95 FPS

This game is capped at 60

or in the math I learned 41.8% faster in the timedemo? I don't play that too often
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuch...oc.aspx?i=2149&p=7

Half-Life 2
2.8 a barly playable 56 Since when is 56 fps barely playable? LOL
AMD 3500 playable 75
33% faster
http://www.firingsquad.com/har...cpu_shootout/page6.asp

Comanche 4
2.8 47 FPS Isn't this "barely" playable also? Cmon, be consistent.
AMD 3500 70 FPS
48.9% faster and playable to boot

Serious Sam SE
2.8 108 FPS Oh my goodness, what will I ever do with 108fps?
AMD 3500 161FPS
49% faster

http://techreport.com/reviews/...on64-3500/index.x?pg=6

C&C Generals
2.8 an unplayable 46FPS game is capped at 30 unless you disable, so apparently the game author feels 30 is a playable framerate which mine is pinned at constantly.
AMD 3400 Playable 63FPS

http://www.behardware.com/articles/489/page11.html


And so it goes. AMD owns gaming by at least 50% vs. your old 2.8B. If you're too poor to afford AMD I can understand since processor should be last thing on peoples mind. But only blind hatred or stupidity would see it otherwise. I'm not sure which one fits here.

So, you have shown us all that an AMD 3500+ can beat out a P4 2.8. Kudos :roll:
Now, would you care to post all of this crap again pitting a AMD 2800+ against a P4 2.8?
Or a AMD 3500+ against a P4 3.4 or 3.6? Why you chose a 3500+ to compare with is strange.

Try again Captain Obvious. Why you chose to personally attack me is a mystery to me.
Did you have a bad Christmas? If so, my sympathies. Calling me poor? WTF is that?
Just because a person does not buy what they do not NEED, doesn't make them poor. It makes them
intelligent. I currently do not NEED to increase my rigs power because it has more than enough to do everything I need it to do. ALL of my games are more than playable even at high res.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: GRIdpOOL
I wouldn't mind seeing other X800XL cards this week. I have waited long enough to upgrade. I plan on throwing my tax return towards PCI Express and the like. I am finally switching back to AMD after a year on a Northwood P4. I am sorry I ever left.

Absolutely nothing wrong with a Northwood setup. My 2.8 has been leaving me with nothing to be desired as far as gaming/application performance is concerned. And my P4 is the 533 fsb model.

In short, theres nothing I can't do very well. No game I can't play. When you say "I'm switching to AMD", what your really saying is, "I need 112fps in this game instead of 90fps, so I need to switch to AMD".

It's all hype anyway. I'll always be an Intel/Nvidia user. My 2 cents.

Nothing wrong besides slower than crystalized molasis in gaming and just about everything else. No but you might need 90FPS instead of 30 eh?? lets do some real comparisons shall we instead of "guessing" ..


First of all they don't even have sorry 2.8B in testing anymore..so Let give intel a little boost by comparing to a 2.8C/E with full bandwidth SEE2 and HT which everyone knows puts B to shame..

Doom 3
2.8C 67 FPS
AMD 3500 95 FPS

This game is capped at 60

or in the math I learned 41.8% faster in the timedemo? I don't play that too often
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuch...oc.aspx?i=2149&p=7

Half-Life 2
2.8 a barly playable 56 Since when is 56 fps barely playable? LOL
AMD 3500 playable 75
33% faster
http://www.firingsquad.com/har...cpu_shootout/page6.asp

Comanche 4
2.8 47 FPS Isn't this "barely" playable also? Cmon, be consistent.
AMD 3500 70 FPS
48.9% faster and playable to boot

Serious Sam SE
2.8 108 FPS Oh my goodness, what will I ever do with 108fps?
AMD 3500 161FPS
49% faster

http://techreport.com/reviews/...on64-3500/index.x?pg=6

C&C Generals
2.8 an unplayable 46FPS game is capped at 30 unless you disable, so apparently the game author feels 30 is a playable framerate which mine is pinned at constantly.
AMD 3400 Playable 63FPS

http://www.behardware.com/articles/489/page11.html


And so it goes. AMD owns gaming by at least 50% vs. your old 2.8B. If you're too poor to afford AMD I can understand since processor should be last thing on peoples mind. But only blind hatred or stupidity would see it otherwise. I'm not sure which one fits here.

Now, would you care to post all of this crap again pitting a AMD 2800+ against a P4 2.8?

WTF do I need to do that for? I should have used a FX-55 to show what piss poor performance a 2.8B has. Since as you said "It's all hype anyway." it should'nt matter what AMD CPU is use to compare, Right?

I choose a mainstream A64 CPU because that's what most buy to see this signifigant performance gains over 2.8.


You said nothing about price/performance. You said "Absolutely nothing wrong with a Northwood setup" Well I showed you something wrong.

 

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: GRIdpOOL
I wouldn't mind seeing other X800XL cards this week. I have waited long enough to upgrade. I plan on throwing my tax return towards PCI Express and the like. I am finally switching back to AMD after a year on a Northwood P4. I am sorry I ever left.

Absolutely nothing wrong with a Northwood setup. My 2.8 has been leaving me with nothing to be desired as far as gaming/application performance is concerned. And my P4 is the 533 fsb model.

In short, theres nothing I can't do very well. No game I can't play. When you say "I'm switching to AMD", what your really saying is, "I need 112fps in this game instead of 90fps, so I need to switch to AMD".

It's all hype anyway. I'll always be an Intel/Nvidia user. My 2 cents.

Nothing wrong besides slower than crystalized molasis in gaming and just about everything else. No but you might need 90FPS instead of 30 eh?? lets do some real comparisons shall we instead of "guessing" ..


First of all they don't even have sorry 2.8B in testing anymore..so Let give intel a little boost by comparing to a 2.8C/E with full bandwidth SEE2 and HT which everyone knows puts B to shame..

Doom 3
2.8C 67 FPS
AMD 3500 95 FPS

or in the math I learned 41.8% faster
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuch...oc.aspx?i=2149&p=7

Half-Life 2
2.8 a barly playable 56
AMD 3500 playable 75
33% faster
http://www.firingsquad.com/har...cpu_shootout/page6.asp

Comanche 4
2.8 47 FPS
AMD 3500 70 FPS
48.9% faster and playable to boot

Serious Sam SE
2.8 108 FPS
AMD 3500 161FPS
49% faster

http://techreport.com/reviews/...on64-3500/index.x?pg=6

C&C Generals
2.8 an unplayable 46FPS
AMD 3400 Playable 63FPS

http://www.behardware.com/articles/489/page11.html


And so it goes. AMD owns gaming by at least 50% vs. your old 2.8B. If you're too poor to afford AMD I can understand since processor should be last thing on peoples mind. But only blind hatred or stupidity would see it otherwise. I'm not sure which one fits here.

Heh, sorry Zebs, but if you think anything below 60 FPS is unplayable, you're pretty far off base. I do fine with anything 35+

 

[Zebo]

I just saw your bolds. Anything under 60FPS I find unplayable...YMMV. because that could mean it drops as low as 30 which is horrendously aweful...60 sets you up with a nice margin.

Yet another reason kyles benches are so invaluable to show lows. And AMD 64 bit processors to get away from them lows

 

[BlindBartimaeus]

I am with Zebo...perhaps even higher. For the same reason some people can't look at 60hz monitors...eyes-a-buggin. I really need to be up around 75 to feel like something isn't wrong.

That is just me though...I am just a dolt too.

 

[Zebo]

Heh, sorry Zebs, but if you think anything below 60 FPS is unplayable, you're pretty far off base. I do fine with anything 35+

You GOT to be joking. You dipping in the 15's with 35FPS. LCD user too?

 

[SleepWalkerX]

sry Zebo, but i played half-life 2 with a pentium 4 1.8 and radeon 9200. 800x600 no AA/AF high quality. it most certainly is playable. no freezes whatsoever / very smooth gameplay.