x800gto vs x1600xt
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Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Powermoloch
huh? x1600pro is selling for 131 @ chiefvalue.com
pro..xt..pro..xt..pro...xt
yeah, they do kinda sound and look the same
I know...but but but !
so whats the diff between the pro and xt? just a lower clock speed or has something else been nerfed as well?
The pro has half the memory bandwidth of the XT, roughly. 12.48 Gb/sec for the Pro, 22.08 for the XT.
I still think a 6600GT is a better deal than either of these cards, at least until prices come down a bit more. Reviews I've seen pit the 6600GT against an XT. There are cases where the 6600GT wins over even the XT, and less memory bandwidth makes things pretty grim for the Pro once you turn on the eye candy.
The X1600XT is demolished across the board when compared to the PCIe version of the equivalently priced 6800GS. Unfortunately, that's not an option for you.
The XT is not available in AGP, AFAIK.
Edit: and if you are talking PCIe, the $190 after rebate X850XT will utterly wipe the floor with a X1600Pro for gamng. We're talking two resolution notches worth of performance deficit in some games with the usual settings. If not, why are you comparing to an X800GTO? Which will be slightly faster stock as well, much faster if unlocked & overclocked.
I still think a 6600GT is a better deal than either of these cards, at least until prices come down a bit more. Reviews I've seen pit the 6600GT against an XT. There are cases where the 6600GT wins over even the XT, and less memory bandwidth makes things pretty grim for the Pro once you turn on the eye candy.
The X1600XT is demolished across the board when compared to the PCIe version of the equivalently priced 6800GS. Unfortunately, that's not an option for you.
The XT is not available in AGP, AFAIK.
Edit: and if you are talking PCIe, the $190 after rebate X850XT will utterly wipe the floor with a X1600Pro for gamng. We're talking two resolution notches worth of performance deficit in some games with the usual settings. If not, why are you comparing to an X800GTO? Which will be slightly faster stock as well, much faster if unlocked & overclocked.
ah its not for me, building a pc for a friend. On a tight budget, so im trying to get the most bang for his buck. So the 3. cards on the table are 6600gt , x800gto, and the x1600pro. He really enjoys playing FEAR, and from what ive seen the GTO plays fear better than the 6600gt. However the gto doesnt have sm3, but i dont think the 6600gt really has what it takes to fully utilize sm3 anyway.
In addition to clockspeed, the Pro uses GDDR2 compare to the XT's GDDR3.
For PCIe, they definately occupy different price points. For 256MB PCIe cards on Newegg, the cheapest of each are priced as follows: X1600 Pro - $118, 6600GT - $145, X1600XT - $155, 6800GS - $179, X850XT - $209. Rebates and shipping shift things slightly of course, but they vary. For nearly twice the price, the X850XT should mop the floor with a X1600 Pro. Of course if you're talking twice the price, you should be comparing a X850XT against a pair of X1600 Pros Crossfired.
Also, IIRC 6600GT has been on the market longer and the X1600 prices are still quickly drifting downwards as more boards hit the market. Your decision should really be between the X1600XT and the 6600GT. If you're building it, go with whatever mobo you choose. NVidia/SLI + 6600GT. ATI/Crossfire + X1600XT.
For PCIe, they definately occupy different price points. For 256MB PCIe cards on Newegg, the cheapest of each are priced as follows: X1600 Pro - $118, 6600GT - $145, X1600XT - $155, 6800GS - $179, X850XT - $209. Rebates and shipping shift things slightly of course, but they vary. For nearly twice the price, the X850XT should mop the floor with a X1600 Pro. Of course if you're talking twice the price, you should be comparing a X850XT against a pair of X1600 Pros Crossfired.
Also, IIRC 6600GT has been on the market longer and the X1600 prices are still quickly drifting downwards as more boards hit the market. Your decision should really be between the X1600XT and the 6600GT. If you're building it, go with whatever mobo you choose. NVidia/SLI + 6600GT. ATI/Crossfire + X1600XT.
Why constrain this to 256 meg cards? A 6600GT level card doesn't require 256 megs, and the 128M cards are closer to $100.
I mean, there are also '512 meg' 6200s, but that doesn't make them a good thing either.
Also, why invest in a crossfire capable board with an entry level graphics card? Crossfire or SLI is great for someone planning on a 7800GTX x 2 or X1900 x 2 setup, but the added expense buys nothing for someone with an entry level card.
Edit: here's a *very* bangy card, if 1. you can deal with a rebate and 2. you don't mind HIS hightech
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814161146 -- $145 after rebate X800GTO with an arctic silencer from the factory. Won't unlock, but will probably overclock pretty well.
Edit2: Crossfire also implies a macho power supply. Very macho.
I mean, there are also '512 meg' 6200s, but that doesn't make them a good thing either.
Also, why invest in a crossfire capable board with an entry level graphics card? Crossfire or SLI is great for someone planning on a 7800GTX x 2 or X1900 x 2 setup, but the added expense buys nothing for someone with an entry level card.
Edit: here's a *very* bangy card, if 1. you can deal with a rebate and 2. you don't mind HIS hightech
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814161146 -- $145 after rebate X800GTO with an arctic silencer from the factory. Won't unlock, but will probably overclock pretty well.
Edit2: Crossfire also implies a macho power supply. Very macho.
256 meg cards because the X1600XT/6800GS/X850XT didn't show any 128MB cards. I was trying to get a relatively even cost comparison with the minimum amount of work. That's also one less thing to factor when comparing performance.
The X1300/X1600 "entry level" cards come with crossfire free. And I thought early on the Inq claimed to have benchmarked Crossfired X1600XT's and gotten X1800XL(XT?) 3DMarks. I see Crossfire and SLI with lower / mid tier cards sort of like buying a single stick of higher capacity RAM even though your mobo supports dual channel. You have a relatively easy upgrade / reuse / performance bump just by installing a matching pair down the line.
As for PSUs, you should be have a high quality power suppy in your system regardless of whether you're going dual video card or not.
The X1300/X1600 "entry level" cards come with crossfire free. And I thought early on the Inq claimed to have benchmarked Crossfired X1600XT's and gotten X1800XL(XT?) 3DMarks. I see Crossfire and SLI with lower / mid tier cards sort of like buying a single stick of higher capacity RAM even though your mobo supports dual channel. You have a relatively easy upgrade / reuse / performance bump just by installing a matching pair down the line.
As for PSUs, you should be have a high quality power suppy in your system regardless of whether you're going dual video card or not.
I can't find a single X1600Pro review to save my life, never mind X1600Pro in crossfire. Without an interconnect I don't know if two X1600Pros will match a X1600XT even. Doubly so in a motherboard without two PCIe 16x slots. Remember that the 'free' SLI uses the PCIe bus to communicate between the cards, and at higher resolutions and frame rates the amount of data adds up quick. So low end cards are probably okay, but as you try to get higher performance out of them, saturating the PCIe bus may get you diminishing performance returns.
The capacity is good, but IMO wasted. It costs extra money, and it's unlikely that SLIing two entry level cards will be a good idea for noise, heat, power use, etc. Two 6600 SLI are not as "good" as a 6600GT, in other words, even though the cost and performance may be similar. Likewise two 6600GT vs 6800GS and so on.
I don't have any benchmarks to the contrary, I just suspect the same holds for the X1600Pro as well.
BTW, if you search forums, I previously opined the X1600XT will become a *very* interesting card once it drops into the low $100s. It's not there yet, but close.
Oh, and the requirements for a rig with two video cards go above and beyond simply a quality PS. A quality 300-400w (read: $30-$40 termaltake or fortron) PS is fine for a non-overclocked 1 cpu with one low to midrange video card system. Once you get to using two GPUs, you have to make sure your PSU is designed for massive wattage on the 12 volt rail. Which gets you up into the 500+ watt 'SLI certified' units (read: $90 and up) if you wish to avoid trouble.
The capacity is good, but IMO wasted. It costs extra money, and it's unlikely that SLIing two entry level cards will be a good idea for noise, heat, power use, etc. Two 6600 SLI are not as "good" as a 6600GT, in other words, even though the cost and performance may be similar. Likewise two 6600GT vs 6800GS and so on.
I don't have any benchmarks to the contrary, I just suspect the same holds for the X1600Pro as well.
BTW, if you search forums, I previously opined the X1600XT will become a *very* interesting card once it drops into the low $100s. It's not there yet, but close.
Oh, and the requirements for a rig with two video cards go above and beyond simply a quality PS. A quality 300-400w (read: $30-$40 termaltake or fortron) PS is fine for a non-overclocked 1 cpu with one low to midrange video card system. Once you get to using two GPUs, you have to make sure your PSU is designed for massive wattage on the 12 volt rail. Which gets you up into the 500+ watt 'SLI certified' units (read: $90 and up) if you wish to avoid trouble.
Dug up the Inq article. "A single X1600XT card will score 5093 in 3Dmark05 while the two cards will score respectable 8730 marks. One X1800XL card will score 8700 and ironically two X1600XT cards in Crossfire are faster than the flagship card, for a inch but still faster."
As a point of reference, cheapest 256MB X1800XL on NewEgg is at $320, or $10 or so more than the cost of two X1600XT's.
Except video encoding .... Its faster encoding times would be the only reason to consider the X1600 line over the others mentioned.
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