x6 now or wait for BD?

[Makuab]

Currently running a 775 sytem, not interested in SB. Looking to build an AMD system, now or later?

Q8200 @ 3.2 GHZ

 

[smakme7757]

I'd wait until bulldozer. The Phenom II x6 are nice CPUs, but it is somewhat of a sideways step and is the reason why i've stuck with my Q9450 so long (i considered a 1090T when they were released). I'll be upgrading to SB.

 

[nanaki333]

at least wait for the AM3+ boards to come out. they're supposed to be backward compatible with AM3 phenoms. leaves you with more of a future.

 

[Makuab]

I'd wait until bulldozer. The Phenom II x6 are nice CPUs, but it is somewhat of a sideways step and is the reason why i've stuck with my Q9450 so long (i considered a 1090T when they were released). I'll be upgrading to SB.

Why? SB is a whole new socket, which will be outdated by next year, doesnt it bother you that intel releases a new socket for almost every series of CPUs they release?

 

[Makuab]

at least wait for the AM3+ boards to come out. they're supposed to be backward compatible with AM3 phenoms. leaves you with more of a future.

Will that be soon?

 

[busydude]

Why? SB is a whole new socket,

The same goes for BD.

 

[CKTurbo128]

If you're not considering SB, I'd just wait for now. The Thuban X6s are nice, but you won't see much of a performance increase from a OCed Core 2 Q8200.

Also, as peanut noted, all existing AM3 motherboards will NOT be compatible with AMD's next gen CPU "Bulldozer" and will require a "AM3+" motherboard.

 

[Makuab]

The same goes for BD.

Yeah but AM3+ will be around a lot longer when CPUs past bulldozer come out, but 1155 SB sockets probably wont be able to handle the next gen.

 

[Dark Shroud]

The problem for you is that there is no news for Bulldozer other than it requires AM3+ motherboards and it suppised to come out sometimes this year. Meanwhile LGA 1155 that comes out officially later this week, though you can buy online now, kicks the crap out of current AMD & Intel CPUs. The Core i5 2500k will wipe the floor with even the x6 Phenom IIs and is only around $200-$220 MSRP.

 

[Makuab]

The problem for you is that there is no news for Bulldozer other than it requires AM3+ motherboards and it suppised to come out sometimes this year. Meanwhile LGA 1155 that comes out officially later this week, though you can buy online now, kicks the crap out of current AMD & Intel CPUs. The Core i5 2500k will wipe the floor with even the x6 Phenom IIs and is only around $200-$220 MSRP.

My goal is future upgrade-ability, and I don't like that SB is on a new socket.
I'm eager to try an AMD system because I've only had intel.

 

[smakme7757]

Why? SB is a whole new socket, which will be outdated by next year, doesnt it bother you that intel releases a new socket for almost every series of CPUs they release?

I sat on my Q9450 for 3 years. I'll most likely sit on my i7-2600K for 3 years, unless they release a faster chip in a years time i might consider upgrading to that. But otherwise if they change the to a newer socket in a years time then there really isn't much i can do about it.

If your asking me if i consider Intels tactics to be ethically corret i would say that sure having one socket that rules them all would be great, but that's not how the game is played unfortunately.

The i7-2600K will be the current top mainstream SB CPU and i doubt it will stay that way. Intel will most likely release a handful of CPUs in the future for socket 1155 before giving up on it. I'm just glad i'll be right at the start so maybe a CPU upgrade might be worth my money in a years time.

My goal is future upgrade-ability, and I don't like that SB is on a new socket.
I'm eager to try an AMD system because I've only had intel.

You can wait forever and ever, but if your keen on waiting 6 months for bulldozer I,m sure you will be a happy camper. But either way, knowing your jumping onto a brand new platform will give you the best amount of 'futureproofing' possible in the world of technology.

 

[busydude]

Yeah but AM3+ will be around a lot longer when CPUs past bulldozer come out, but 1155 SB sockets probably wont be able to handle the next gen.

Are you building the system to use it now.. or for the next generation? AMD, at first, said that BD is going to support AM3 socket.. if you look at it, AM3 socket is younger than LGA 1366, Feb 2009 Vs Nov 2008.

 

[nanaki333]

if you have a microcenter near you, get their CPU combo deal. if you lasted this long before upgrading, i don't think you'll care being 1 gen behind in a few months.

http://www.microcenter.com/specials/...ndlePROMO.html

 

[Castiel]

Why? SB is a whole new socket, which will be outdated by next year, doesnt it bother you that intel releases a new socket for almost every series of CPUs they release?

How do you figure? Were not even sure how well BD is going to perform? SB is so much better then any Amd processor currently on the market. Clock for clock the X6 can't even compete with bloomfield.

 

[Elixer]

at least wait for the AM3+ boards to come out. they're supposed to be backward compatible with AM3 phenoms. leaves you with more of a future.

AFAIK, nobody knows when this will happen.
There have been no leaks at all for AM3+ boards, just a possible Q1 release.

 

[perdomot]

I've been a long time AMD user until last month when I changed over to Intel i5-760 so I hear you about how AMD makes use of a socket for a long time. What's really critical though is how long your gear will perform the way you need it to. Most intense thing I do is encode video for my ipod and my old X3 720BE took 3 times longer than my new cpu. I had considered an X6 myself as it would be a drop in replacement, but after reading several articles comparing the two cpus, the 760 had too many advantages over the X6. The new SB chips have a big advantage over the old intel ones so you should have great performance for at least 3 years before the next upgrade. I would hit the SB chips when they become available.

 

[nyker96]

Why? SB is a whole new socket, which will be outdated by next year, doesnt it bother you that intel releases a new socket for almost every series of CPUs they release?

this is mostly true, but not entirely, the 775 has a lot of longevity. but of couse this 1156, 1155 business doesn't bode well for intel. trying to make everyone who just bought a 1156 buy again.

 

[smakme7757]

this is mostly true, but not entirely, the 775 has a lot of longevity. but of couse this 1156, 1155 business doesn't bode well for intel. trying to make everyone who just bought a 1156 buy again.

Everyone seems to be making the assumption that now that SB is released that everyone who purchased a 1156 is now going to be extremely unhappy with it's performance.

Even if you own a 1156 board and are jelouse of the gains offered by SB keep in mind it's still hard to find something which won't run extremely smoothly on an i5/i7 CPU.

I think the argument should be focussed on ethics rather than how poor 1156 is compared to SB, because it's not poor at all. There is no reason to upgrade to 1155 if you're on a 1156/1366 platform.

 

[Castiel]

Everyone seems to be making the assumption that now that SB is released that everyone who purchased a 1156 is now going to be extremely unhappy with it's performance.

Even if you own a 1156 board and are jelouse of the gains offered by SB keep in mind it's still hard to find something which won't run extremely smoothly on an i5/i7 CPU.

Agreed. Lynnfield perform's VERY well and beats up on Amd. SB is faster but people shouldn't just ditch lynnfield for it.

Also SB is a cheap upgrade :

2500K - 220
Asps P67 EVO - 150
Reuse DDR3 memory
Reuse Video Card
Reuse Cooler

 

[RavenSEAL]

Agreed. Lynnfield perform's VERY well and beats up on Amd. SB is faster but people shouldn't just ditch lynnfield for it.

Also SB is a cheap upgrade :

2500K - 220
Asps P67 EVO - 150
Reuse DDR3 memory
Reuse Video Card
Reuse Cooler

Very few people that are going to upgrade to SB will have things they can reuse besides maybe GPU.

 

[smakme7757]

Very few people that are going to upgrade to SB will have things they can reuse besides maybe GPU.

If your on 775 then i don't think you should have a problem with forking out for a new patform. It doesn't matter if you go 1155/1156/1366 you still need a new Mobo, CPU and Ram at a minimum.

However if you are the upgrade junkie and your coming from a 1156/1366 platform you can reuse everything exept your Motherboard and CPU as you will be on DDR3. Even users coming from a Phenom II platform can reuse everything exept the motherboard and CPU.

Im going to move from socket 775 to SB and i can reuse everythnig exept my CPU,Ram and Motherboard as i am currently on DDR2

HDD's
GPU's
Case
PSU
RAM (Provided your on DDR3)
Cooling solutions (as long as you have 1156 bracket.

It's really only the motherboard and CPU which are a must for people with DDR3 ram already.

 

[RavenSEAL]

If your on 775 then i don't think you should have a problem with forking out for a new patform. It doesn't matter if you go 1155/1156/1366 you still need a new Mobo, CPU and Ram at a minimum.

However if you are the upgrade junkie and your coming from a 1156/1366 platform you can reuse everything exept your Motherboard and CPU as you will be on DDR3. Even users coming from a Phenom II platform can reuse everything exept the motherboard and CPU.

Im going to move from socket 775 to SB and i can reuse everythnig exept my CPU,Ram and Motherboard as i am currently on DDR2

Which is what i just said.

 

[smakme7757]

Which is what i just said.

Maybe i misunderstood, but i thought you meant the GPU was the only thing people can reuse when moving up to SB...