x5 kills the ipod.

mzkhadir

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Cowon iAudio X5 (20GB)

From the meticulously crafted iAudio U2 to the superslim iAudio M3, Cowon has created some beautiful and functional MP3 players. The newest to hit the States is the highly anticipated 20GB iAudio X5 ($300), which even plays back video. It gets major props in both the style and features departments--just check it out playing a movie--but it's not without its faults. Still, it fills a gaping hole in the large-capacity MP3 player department currently dominated by the Apple iPod.

Upside: The Cowon iAudio X5 is as rich in features as you can get, but at 4.0 by 2.4 by 0.6 inches and 6.3 ounces, it's virtually the same size as a 20GB iPod. It handles MP3, WMA, OGG, WAV, and FLAC audio files; includes an FM tuner and recorder; and supports line-in and voice recording. Its 1.8-inch, 260,000-color screen has a 160x128 resolution, and it displays JPEG photos and MPEG-4 video. Also available at 30GB for $350, the USB 2.0 device can serve as a USB host, meaning that you can connect a variety of popular digital cameras and transfer photos over to, then view them on the X5. Its design is silky smooth and durable, adding up to an overall sophisticated look and feel. Like most Cowon MP3 players, the X5 sounds remarkable, with a 95dB signal-to-noise ratio and a host of EQ and BBE audio enhancement options. Unfortunately for your music-browsing needs, the interface's folder-tree structure is basic; however, it's also intelligent, with lots of information and some juicy visual elements. And the player is truly reasonably priced.

Downside: We were lucky enough to tinker with a prerelease version, so the jury's still out on the quality of interface structure. While the X5's thick feature set didn't slow us down, the control buttons could be better. The main five-direction thumb stick is tactile but a bit small for our tastes. Worse yet, the play/pause button is located on the side of the X5, away from the main controller, so you'll have to perform some thumb acrobatics to reach it. Also, while the unit ships with a docking cradle that has USB, power, and line inputs and outputs, the device itself has no ports. In order to charge the Cowon, transfer files, and record through the line-in jack without having to schlep the cradle around, you must instead use a tiny--and losable--adapter that fits onto the dock connector. Here's a downer: the X5 won't be compatible with music purchased from online music stores until July, when a firmware update will be released. Even worse, the X5 won't be Janus-compatible for a while, so it can't be used with to-go services such as the new Yahoo Music Unlimited. However, the X5 has an internal clock, so it could work with Janus in the future. The rated 14-hour battery life is merely average for audio and will definitely be less for multimedia. Good news for battery fanatics, though--the X5L version is only a tad thicker yet boasts up to 35 hours of music playback.

Outlook: No matter how you look at it, the Cowon iAudio X5 is one of the boldest large-capacity players to come out in a while. It beats the former king of features, the iRiver H320, in this respect. Nice-looking and nice-sounding, this player will make potential iPod Photo owners reconsider. However, customers should keep in mind the imperfect controls, the incompatibility with subscription services, and the necessity for the I/O adapter before buying. One thing is certain: Cowon is a force to be reckoned with.
 

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controls is what really makes the ipod stick out above everything else. since this seems to have bad controls, i don't think it's so much an ipod killer.
 

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Certainly looks to be a good player, but I don't see what it has over the iriver.
 

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What the hell is this Gurck thing?

Also, I've read that it doesn't do ID3 tags, which sucks, but otherwise it looks like a sweet player. I like that it does OGG and FLAC. Now, if only Amazon had any to buy.
 

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pretty nice i'd say...but like gurck said, whats it got over the iriver? I guess controls on the x5 are a tad better then a iriver from that vid.
 

Gurck

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Originally posted by: krackato
What the hell is this Gurck thing?

Also, I've read that it doesn't do ID3 tags, which sucks, but otherwise it looks like a sweet player. I like that it does OGG and FLAC. Now, if only Amazon had any to buy.
If your collection is organized, sorting by directory structure is no big deal. In fact, I prefer it. If, on the other hand, your collection is thousands of files dumped into your Kazaa download directory... well, that changes things... hrm, I think I just gained some insight into a big part of itunes'/ipods' allure ;)
 

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You guys notice that everything is compared to the iPod? Why? Because it sets the standard for portable music players, and as such, why would you go with anything that isn't an iPod? Unless what you buy is an iPod, nothing will exactly meet the standards, because they are based on the iPod.

Don't go substandard and just go and buy an iPod.
 

Homerboy

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Originally posted by: cruiser1338
You guys notice that everything is compared to the iPod? Why? Because it sets the standard for portable music players, and as such, why would you go with anything that isn't an iPod? Unless what you buy is an iPod, nothing will exactly meet the standards, because they are based on the iPod.

Don't go substandard and just go and buy an iPod.

Er... no. Becuase it is teh one to beat SOLELY based on its sales #s.
Nobody is going to compare their mp3 player to something NOBODY has heard of. That would be pretty piss poor marketing wouldn't it?

You can NOT argue that iRiver and other companies such as this do not offer a better product, for less money over the ipod.
 

UNCjigga

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Originally posted by: Gurck
Originally posted by: krackato
What the hell is this Gurck thing?

Also, I've read that it doesn't do ID3 tags, which sucks, but otherwise it looks like a sweet player. I like that it does OGG and FLAC. Now, if only Amazon had any to buy.
If your collection is organized, sorting by directory structure is no big deal. In fact, I prefer it. If, on the other hand, your collection is thousands of files dumped into your Kazaa download directory... well, that changes things... hrm, I think I just gained some insight into a big part of itunes'/ipods' allure ;)
You do realize that iTunes reorganizes all your music for you, based on Artist, Album, Song (and even renames files so everything makes more sense.) How can a modern MP3 player not support ID3? WTF is up with that? The old 64mb player I bought 3-4 years ago reads ID3 tags. Gotta be prerelease firmware.

 

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supposedly a 60 GB model coming out as well in the near future. no ID3 tags is teh suck, but a script in the godfather should be able to re-name my .ogg portable files without too much effort

I'm waiting till august/sept, and will probably get the 60 GB version of this unless either

a) rio introduces a 40GB+ kick arse player (unlikely)

b) 60GB model of this gets ID3 + Real gapless .ogg through firmware updates and is ~$400 or less

as for what this has over the iriver: cowan's firmware isn't written by monkeys.

has anybody seen these in a store yet? I want to play with one and check out the interface.
 

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You can NOT argue that iRiver and other companies such as this do not offer a better product, for less money over the ipod.

Sure I can. I bought an iRiver h140 and sold it on eBay to go back to an iPod. The controls were crappy and hard to navigate, and the middle control button was horrible. Granted, they've changed the controls since then, but I haven't had any real experience with the newer ones. I also had one of the original Creative Zens which was cool, but certainly wasn't BETTER than an iPod.

While I'm no iPod fanboy who thinks they're the best thing ever, I think there's been a lot of undue backlash because of the iPods success and people hating things which have become "mainstream".
 

iamme

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Originally posted by: cruiser1338
You guys notice that everything is compared to the iPod? Why? Because it sets the standard for portable music players, and as such, why would you go with anything that isn't an iPod? Unless what you buy is an iPod, nothing will exactly meet the standards, because they are based on the iPod.

Don't go substandard and just go and buy an iPod.

dude, that's horrible logic.
 

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I will say the one big draw back the ipods have is, the Headphone jack is garbino sans the Ipod shuffle headphone jack which is actually pretty darn good. If Apple can put in a nice headphone jack, color in the screen at a mainstream price, I'll be back for more.
 

cruiser1338

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Originally posted by: Homerboy
Originally posted by: cruiser1338
You guys notice that everything is compared to the iPod? Why? Because it sets the standard for portable music players, and as such, why would you go with anything that isn't an iPod? Unless what you buy is an iPod, nothing will exactly meet the standards, because they are based on the iPod.

Don't go substandard and just go and buy an iPod.

Er... no. Becuase it is teh one to beat SOLELY based on its sales #s.
Nobody is going to compare their mp3 player to something NOBODY has heard of. That would be pretty piss poor marketing wouldn't it?

You can NOT argue that iRiver and other companies such as this do not offer a better product, for less money over the ipod.

Er... yes. You know why the sales numbers are so good? Because it is a good product that can't be beat. It does set the standard with the numbers, and the numbers are there because of the quality of the product. When your product is supposed to be the best, you compare it to the current 'best'. The problem is that you can't compare to an iPod and win. The iPod always wins out in functionality, compatibility, controls, styling and pricing. Simple truth.
 

iamme

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Originally posted by: cruiser1338
Originally posted by: Homerboy
Originally posted by: cruiser1338
You guys notice that everything is compared to the iPod? Why? Because it sets the standard for portable music players, and as such, why would you go with anything that isn't an iPod? Unless what you buy is an iPod, nothing will exactly meet the standards, because they are based on the iPod.

Don't go substandard and just go and buy an iPod.

Er... no. Becuase it is teh one to beat SOLELY based on its sales #s.
Nobody is going to compare their mp3 player to something NOBODY has heard of. That would be pretty piss poor marketing wouldn't it?

You can NOT argue that iRiver and other companies such as this do not offer a better product, for less money over the ipod.

Er... yes. You know why the sales numbers are so good? Because it is a good product that can't be beat. It does set the standard with the numbers, and the numbers are there because of the quality of the product. When your product is supposed to be the best, you compare it to the current 'best'. The problem is that you can't compare to an iPod and win. The iPod always wins out in functionality, compatibility, controls, styling and pricing. Simple truth.

wrong, wrong, wrong.

iPod is marketed 1000X more heavily than all the other mp3 players combined.

no doubt the iPod is a very nice mp3 player, but it isn't the best just because everyone's buying it. that horrible logic and shows that you've bought into their marketing hype.

that's the only mp3 player non-techies/non-audiophiles have heard of.
 

BDawg

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Ever since its introduction there has been a steady stream of players dubbed iPod killers. Yet, the iPod still continues to be the best player out there for everyone but hard core Apple haters.
 

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Agreed... if Cowon had the money to market their player I bet it would be quite popular. Same with Toshiba and their Gigabeat. Though I think Olympus' campaign for their m:robe's failed. The 500 was bleh, but the 100 looked good and was decent, still I think more people went with the mini.
 

iamme

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Originally posted by: BDawg
Ever since its introduction there has been a steady stream of players dubbed iPod killers. Yet, the iPod still continues to be the best player out there for everyone but hard core Apple haters.

or those who just don't like the iPod.

i bought a Dell DJ about a year ago and i haven't regretted my choice.

much better battery life, more rugged (ipods are scratch prone), lower price, and i liked the sound better.

with the money i saved, i bought Shure e2c's and i'm sure my audio experience is better than someone who buys and iPod and uses those cruddy white earbuds.