X38 Release Delayed Again

[Gary Key]

Hi,

Just got word from Intel that the launch is being moved to October 11th to give the manufacturers time to stock the channels. G35 is being moved out again so our preview of that board with the G33 roundup next week is going to have to wait but we will have the NV MCP73 available.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Unless Intel and the manufacturers can extract an additional 5-6% real-world speed boost using DDR2, X38 will remain a very expensive toy for hard core enthusiasts with deep wallet.

It's going to take at least 8 months for quality DDR3 to become widely affordable. I'm not sure if I want to own an X38 board by that time. Besides, AMD could surprise us all with another CPU.

$180 Q6600 + $70 P35 MB + $70 1.8V DDR2 800 RAM (1GB x 2) = 3.6GHz with a good CPU. An equilalent X38 rig would cost 2x. That's a lot of money for a 4-6% boost in system performance.

 

[8ounce]

Originally posted by: Gary Key
Hi,

Just got word from Intel that the launch is being moved to October 11th to give the manufacturers time to stock the channels. G35 is being moved out again so our preview of that board with the G33 roundup next week is going to have to wait but we will have the NV MCP73 available.

Nuts, I was waiting for the x38 for my much needed upgrade. Any chance we might see some reviews before the release date, that way when they do ship we will now what to look for.
The one question i particularly am looking an answer for is what will the performance difference be between a x38 ddr3 setup and a x38 ddr2 set up. Anything at about 5% and less I will get ddr2. 10% and more I will get ddr3. 5 to 10%....I am not sure

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
Unless Intel and the manufacturers can extract an additional 5-6% real-world speed boost using DDR2, X38 will remain a very expensive toy for hard core enthusiasts with deep wallet.

It's going to take at least 8 months for quality DDR3 to become widely affordable. I'm not sure if I want to own an X38 board by that time. Besides, AMD could surprise us all with another CPU.

$180 Q6600 + $70 P35 MB + $70 1.8V DDR2 800 RAM (1GB x 2) = 3.6GHz with a good CPU. An equilalent X38 rig would cost 2x. That's a lot of money for a 4-6% boost in system performance.

Yep, that's why enthusiast gamers with deep pockets will go with nForce 780i SLI. Spending extra cash on a second video card, while not exactly a 'value' decision, at least yields very tangible performance benefits.

 

[Nemesis 1]

The reason they delayed is out of fear!!!

http://amd-member.com/campaigns/black/

Copy and paste

 

[Kalistan]

Awwww...

I was really looking forward to X38 on Sept 25. What the Hell! How accurate is this info that the chipset is coming out on October 11 instead? Are we talking about a rumor or what?

 

[evoic]

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
Unless Intel and the manufacturers can extract an additional 5-6% real-world speed boost using DDR2, X38 will remain a very expensive toy for hard core enthusiasts with deep wallet.

It's going to take at least 8 months for quality DDR3 to become widely affordable. I'm not sure if I want to own an X38 board by that time. Besides, AMD could surprise us all with another CPU.

$180 Q6600 + $70 P35 MB + $70 1.8V DDR2 800 RAM (1GB x 2) = 3.6GHz with a good CPU. An equilalent X38 rig would cost 2x. That's a lot of money for a 4-6% boost in system performance.

Could you please advise where you're buying $180 Q6600's so that I can go purchase about 100 of them?

Thanks.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
The reason they delayed is out of fear!!!

http://amd-member.com/campaigns/black/

Copy and paste

Interesting... Is AMD actually going to try something as novel as a marketing campaign?

Are they going to announce their new chip?

"AMD's new Moron X3 cpu... Like the Sempron, but with 75% MORE cores"

 

[Quiksilver]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
The reason they delayed is out of fear!!!

http://amd-member.com/campaigns/black/

Copy and paste

Interesting... Is AMD actually going to try something as novel as a marketing campaign?

Are they going to announce their new chip?

"AMD's new Moron X3 cpu... Like the Sempron, but with 75% MORE cores"

I lol'd at that.

Anyway this is why I'm waiting until end of this year to purchase my new pc parts; mainly so I can see what happens with the market, prices, chipsets, g92, etc.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: evoic

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
Unless Intel and the manufacturers can extract an additional 5-6% real-world speed boost using DDR2, X38 will remain a very expensive toy for hard core enthusiasts with deep wallet.

It's going to take at least 8 months for quality DDR3 to become widely affordable. I'm not sure if I want to own an X38 board by that time. Besides, AMD could surprise us all with another CPU.

$180 Q6600 + $70 P35 MB + $70 1.8V DDR2 800 RAM (1GB x 2) = 3.6GHz with a good CPU. An equilalent X38 rig would cost 2x. That's a lot of money for a 4-6% boost in system performance.

Could you please advise where you're buying $180 Q6600's so that I can go purchase about 100 of them?

Thanks.

Fry's sale two weeks ago. I didn't engage. Waiting for 45nm quads next year. Local Fry's also had boxed E4400 last week for $60. Bought two.

 

[evoic]

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal


Fry's sale two weeks ago. I didn't engage. Waiting for 45nm quads next year. Local Fry's also had boxed E4400 last week for $60. Bought two.

Wrong.
Never happened, no way, no how.
The E4400....maybe.
The Q6600 for $180 is a fantasy.

 

[lopri]

I know it's early to say, but from the preview X38 is way underwhelming, performance-wise. Also it made me very skeptical of this higher bandwidth/higer latency tactic that Intel's been pulling out. Other than extra features added (lots of them are marketing-driven), what Intel has been doing (975X -> P965 -> P35) is increasing bandwidth at the cost of latency. Out of curiosity, I dug up some of the old articles here @AT.

955X Article (You could get an idea of 925X)
975X Article (Shows 955X data also)
Finally X38 Preview (No comparisons vs 975X but one can get an idea)

Note how performance has changed from 925X -> 955X -> 975X -> (X38). The only meaningful boost looks to have happened from 955X -> 975X, but then again the 975X platform in that review employs a ridiculously aggressive memory configuration (DDR2-667/3-2-2-6) using FatBodies. Without the exact specification given WRT the 955X testbed in that review, it's hard to judge just how much 975X improved upon 955X.

I would love to see a 925X/955X/975X/X38 comparison with the same CPU (something like Pentium Extreme Edition 965?) and same memory configuration. I bet the memory controller performance hasn't changed much for the past 3~4 years. What's improved is the obvious manufacturing tech which lets the revised chipsets clock higher, and memory itself which has little to do with chipsets.

At least this time around the higher bandwidth might actually benefit quad-core CPUs when overclocking, but if one were to use a dual-core, or a quad-core at its stock speed, I think you might as well get a decent quality 975X board (can be had for like $100~150 if you look around) and be done with it. And of course if you already own any Intel chipset board that works without trouble, there is zero reason to upgrade. (I am strictly speaking in terms of performance here) I just don't see anything X38 has going for it other than more modern feature set. Add the price and power consumption factors, and the situation gets even worse.

P.S. Oh I almost forgot one thing: At least I should give Intel some credit for finally fixing the broken dividers with P35 memory controller. I myself don't have much experience with P35, but according to various reports the memory dividers are working a lot better than previous Intel chipsets.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Lopri I can't say alot but your wrong about this . Used with the correct memory and a M/B thats correctly built for the performance chipset its a very good chipset .
It may not be to people who expect a 50% performance increase . But used with penryn and the certified memory it a pretty good performance gain.

 

[lopri]

I am talking about memory controllers, not motherboards.

 

[Nemesis 1]

As was I . The memory controller is very good. Latency is reduced substancially with the RIGHT M/B configuration . But requires the correct DDR3 memory.

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
The reason they delayed is out of fear!!!

http://amd-member.com/campaigns/black/

Copy and paste

LMFAO

 

[bryanW1995]

@OP, this info is a real bummer. I had just about convinced myself to replace the opteron 180 file server with an x38 mobo and an e2180 as a place filler until 45nm quads show up. If there's no perf increase I might as well get an ip35e or some other budget board.

 

[T2k]

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[T2k]

Originally posted by: Gary Key
Hi,

Just got word from Intel that the launch is being moved to October 11th to give the manufacturers time to stock the channels. G35 is being moved out again so our preview of that board with the G33 roundup next week is going to have to wait but we will have the NV MCP73 available.

Yawn. Intel is fucking up this X38, BIG TIME.

I hate NV's shitty chipset and now INtel's playing its stupid arrogant game so now it's time to consider RD790/Phenom again - fuck you, Intel, fuck you NV, period.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

X38 is optimized for DDR3, period. Performance boost between P35/DDR2 and X38/DDR2 is negligible...probably less than 70MHz core speed.

Repeated delays = chipset not living up to expectations.

 

[T2k]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
The reason they delayed is out of fear!!!

http://amd-member.com/campaigns/black/

Copy and paste

LMFAO

Actually it was my first thought too - this "give the manufacturers time to stock the channels" is an utter fuckin' BS, it's obvious.

I dunno the real reason but it's most likely either the rumored PCIe bug or AMD. This channel stock level BS smells; Intel mobos typically show up earlier anyway.

 

[T2k]

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
X38 is optimized for DDR3, period. Performance boost between P35/DDR2 and X38/DDR2 is negligible...probably less than 70MHz core speed.

Repeated delays = chipset not living up to expectations.

Yeah, now I'm starting to believe this too...

 

[lopri]

About a year ago with an E6600:

http://img229.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3600ko1.png

 

[Nemesis 1]

I was reading XS and other forums about this link

http://amd-member.com/campaigns/black/

never laughed so hard. But this thread is getting right up there as far as funny.

X38 is intended to be used with penryn it works with conroe .

Any one have a link to a review that uses final silly and a board that is built correctly by someone other than intel? Useing certified memory . Link please . You guys should look into this chipset a little more. Intel is handling this chipset differant than it has others.

Intel isn't sending manufactories the kits to get the chipsets up and running on thier boards like they did befor .

It would seem Intel wants to sell their own M/B . Its about time.

As far as moving the date that was announced tuesday at IDF.



"Pat Gelsinger: They'll make that quiet in a second. Okay. To address this market -- and we see this as a growing part of the market -- Intel has developed a new chipset of platform technology called "X38." X38 is a combination of the highest end of our extreme edition Quad-Core microprocessors, which today is 65-nanometer Clovertown product. But in November, there'll be a 45-nanometer version of this called Yorkfield, which 12 megachache onboard that is able to be overclocked into systems like this. And in fact, that was a Yorkfield that Charles was running here. The chipset is the X38. It will launch October 10th. We are shipping production parts to our customers today in anticipation of that launch. It has unlocked bus ratios, so they can crank it up. It has easy memory overclocking capability. We have doubled the bandwidth of the PCI Express Bus to graphics on the chipset. And we're incorporating into the chipset a new software tuning utility that allows you to tune directly to the BIOS to get the optimal system performance, so that you can win game benchmarks like this."

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: T2k

Originally posted by: Gary Key
Hi,

Just got word from Intel that the launch is being moved to October 11th to give the manufacturers time to stock the channels. G35 is being moved out again so our preview of that board with the G33 roundup next week is going to have to wait but we will have the NV MCP73 available.

Yawn. Intel is fucking up this X38, BIG TIME.

I hate NV's shitty chipset and now INtel's playing its stupid arrogant game so now it's time to consider RD790/Phenom again - fuck you, Intel, fuck you NV, period.

Hay if you feel that strongly about it buy AMD . No one cares what you buy.

If the chipset isn't ready for prime time Good for intel . Better late and get it right than send it out not up to par.

I mean AMD looked bad in the review done @ AT .

1.) the reviewer had to make excuses why its performance was so bad.

2) The server broke at the end of the review. Intel has taken the gloves off man . Their not sending out to other board makers the kits to optimize this chipset on their boards as they have in the past.

3) Intel makes M/B also and my wifes badass is a great one. She loves it. Why should intel help the other board makers. If they want to sell M/Bs they will buy the chipsets.

Intel has built everthing they need into this chipset. I say good for intel . Its about time. Intel is going after the enthusist community. Fugger showed tues. Intel has what it takes end of story.