X2900XT won't be able to compete with 8800GTX

[jim1976]

Now if FUDzilla is right this time..

ATI said in front of 150+ journalists that R600XT won't be able to compete with Geforce 8800 GTX. The dream is dead and Radeon HD 2900 XT won't be able to catch up with the six month old Geforce 8800 GTX.

ATI said that R600XT, Radeon HD 2900XT has about the same performance as the 8800 GTS. Radeon HD 2900 XTX won't be launched at mid may and will be delayed to Q3 2007. We already wrote about this here.

The dream that AMD can do something and return as the high end market leader is gone. R600 rails against G80. Congratulations Nvidia.

Man.. Makes me so sad..

 

[EKTELESTES]

"Congratulations Nvidia."

Very un-biased information :lol:

It shoudln't make u sad, even if it true, X2900XT = or > 640gts means lower prices for all of us

 

[chrismr]

Still, if the preliminary benches on DailyTech are more or less accurate, it does not mean the card (XT) is bad. It will probably still sell well, as long as it is priced right. It just means that people who want the fastest will have to go NVidia, those who want performance, but not necessarily the best will go either 8800gts or 2900xt.

Ok, so AMD has lost a few months sales, which hit them pretty hard but they should still do ok. Hopefully.

I think the only people who seriously lose out here are the ATI fanatics who refuse to go with NVidia and were waiting on having the bragging rights for having an ATI card faster than NVidias top of the line.

Personally, I don't get all this brand loyalty. Waiting for something simply with the hope that it will be better than what you can currently get is silly.

 

[jim1976]

Originally posted by: EKTELESTES
"Congratulations Nvidia."

Very un-biased information :lol:

It shoudln't make u sad, even if it true, X2900XT = or > 640gts means lower prices for all of us

If they have publicly announced in front of the press that the XT is not competitive with the high end nVIDIA's 8800GTX , and all it can do is compete with 8800GTS six months after its release then I don't know what can make you sad about them. And plz don't give me the excuse that XT was meant to compete with 8800GTS only. They simply cannot be competitive at the high end ATM if these news are true. Also if the rumors about X2900XTX being pushed back to Q3 are valid then I don't know what to say. Sure prices will fall, but what's that have to do with the fact that AMD/ATI does not have a winner or even a tier in high end after 6 whole months?

 

[jim1976]

Originally posted by: chrismr
Still, if the preliminary benches on DailyTech are more or less accurate, it does not mean the card (XT) is bad. It will probably still sell well, as long as it is priced right. It just means that people who want the fastest will have to go NVidia, those who want performance, but not necessarily the best will go either 8800gts or 2900xt.

Ok, so AMD has lost a few months sales, which hit them pretty hard but they should still do ok. Hopefully.

I think the only people who seriously lose out here are the ATI fanatics who refuse to go with NVidia and were waiting on having the bragging rights for having an ATI card faster than NVidias top of the line.

Personally, I don't get all this brand loyalty. Waiting for something simply with the hope that it will be better than what you can currently get is silly.

It's a matter of prestige m8.. Not being able to have the fastest or at least a tier in ultra high end market is not good for your marketing purposes. Sure the XT will sell nice if priced correctly and especially if it has the extra O/C headroom, but this doesn't negate the fact that they failed to bring a winner six whole months later than G80's release.

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

I cant believe this... If it was never gonna match the GTX why didnt they release it sooner? At least it would have look half decent back then... *sigh*

Lets hope AMD doesnt flop with Barcelona too, or they will be in a pretty bad situation

 

[Bateluer]

Think we'll see a revised 65nm R600 core a few months after the official launch, similar to what happened the X1800 and X1900s?

 

[apoppin]

is anyone really surprised ?

toldjaso

Barcelona will also be a turkey

 

[ayabe]

Blows my mind to be honest, I think it's fair to say that AMD/ATI are in serious trouble right about now and by proxy we as consumers are as well.

 

[Keysplayr]

Well, of course there will be a 65nm refresh of R600. no doubt they are working on this as we speak. The whole point of this is, AMD is not dead in the water. They are releasing R600 which is no slouch, and the rest of their mid range line. No matter WHAT it competes with, it is good to have competition out there. Barcelona, whether faster than Core 2 Duo or not, will offer better performance than their current X2 line. Again, no matter WHAT it does, at least they are getting new products out there shortly. It is MUCH needed at this point. I mean anything is better than nothing.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

didnt intel wipe out a chunk of AMD's market share as well jus the other month?

man theyre getting it from both sides....intel and nvidia are tightening the screws.

 

[happy medium]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
didnt intel wipe out a chunk of AMD's market share as well jus the other month?

man theyre getting it from both sides....intel and nvidia are tightening the screws.

I was thinking the same thing. Theres no reason not to have Intel/Nvidia products in any new build now. I would like to see more competition to drag down some prices though.

 

[Wreckage]

http://www.dailytech.com/ATI+Radeon+HD+...+Doomed+from+the+Start/article7052.htm

ATI Radeon HD 2900 XTX, Doomed from the Start

I'm still going to wait for benchmarks from retail available cards, but that's kind of harsh.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: happy medium

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
didnt intel wipe out a chunk of AMD's market share as well jus the other month?

man theyre getting it from both sides....intel and nvidia are tightening the screws.

I was thinking the same thing. Theres no reason not to have Intel/Nvidia products in any new build now. I would like to see more competition to drag down some prices though.

i expect a takeover attempt and a stockholder revolt
:Q
-or do you think they will even wait for Barcelona? the AMD hype-machine said the same thing about r600 that they are saying about Barcelona

.... has this news even reached their investors yet?


i didn't wait for benchmarks ... months ago ... when i said r600 had serious performance [lack] issues

AMD has nothing to say about their new GPU except it has "great features" and will be priced appropriately ... this isn't a money maker for them you know

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: happy medium

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
didnt intel wipe out a chunk of AMD's market share as well jus the other month?

man theyre getting it from both sides....intel and nvidia are tightening the screws.

I was thinking the same thing. Theres no reason not to have Intel/Nvidia products in any new build now. I would like to see more competition to drag down some prices though.

i expect a takeover attempt and a stockholder revolt
:Q
-or do you think they will even wait for Barcelona? the AMD hype-machine said the same thing about r600 that they are saying about Barcelona

.... has this news even reached their investors yet?


i didn't wait for benchmarks ... months ago ... when i said r600 had serious performance [lack] issues

AMD has nothing to say about their new GPU except it has "great features" and will be priced appropriately ... this isn't a money maker for them you know

There is a rumor that Applied Materials (AMAT) is courting the possibility of an AMD buyout, or sale. Remember when it was just a rumor that AMD was going to buy ATI???

 

[happy medium]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: happy medium

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
didnt intel wipe out a chunk of AMD's market share as well jus the other month?

man theyre getting it from both sides....intel and nvidia are tightening the screws.

I was thinking the same thing. Theres no reason not to have Intel/Nvidia products in any new build now. I would like to see more competition to drag down some prices though.

i expect a takeover attempt and a stockholder revolt
:Q
-or do you think they will even wait for Barcelona? the AMD hype-machine said the same thing about r600 that they are saying about Barcelona

.... has this news even reached their investors yet?


i didn't wait for benchmarks ... months ago ... when i said r600 had serious performance [lack] issues

AMD has nothing to say about their new GPU except it has "great features" and will be priced appropriately ... this isn't a money maker for them you know

Well Apoppin all we need now is some Quad core price drops and we can upgrade.
Ram prices down. Intel dominating. Nvidia dominating. Time to put that new power supply to work.

 

[apoppin]

i have already prepared myself

 

[BlizzardOne]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: happy medium

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
didnt intel wipe out a chunk of AMD's market share as well jus the other month?

man theyre getting it from both sides....intel and nvidia are tightening the screws.

I was thinking the same thing. Theres no reason not to have Intel/Nvidia products in any new build now. I would like to see more competition to drag down some prices though.

i expect a takeover attempt and a stockholder revolt
:Q
-or do you think they will even wait for Barcelona? the AMD hype-machine said the same thing about r600 that they are saying about Barcelona

.... has this news even reached their investors yet?


i didn't wait for benchmarks ... months ago ... when i said r600 had serious performance [lack] issues

AMD has nothing to say about their new GPU except it has "great features" and will be priced appropriately ... this isn't a money maker for them you know

There is a rumor that Applied Materials (AMAT) is courting the possibility of an AMD buyout, or sale. Remember when it was just a rumor that AMD was going to buy ATI???

DAMAMATA... I give up on making a silly name out of that one.

 

[Keysplayr]

Viditor!!! Where are you!!!
Have you heard anything about Applied Materials and AMD? Applied Materials market cap is over 26 Billion btw. (Not knowing if this actually means anything )

Care to share?

OT: heh, look at some of the comments under that DT article. Some certain fanboys are PEEEEVED off. I guess it's justifiable though. But to bitch about a 75MHz core and 200MHz mem o/c on that GTX is kind of petty. Judging from those quick benches, the GTX would have to be underclocked from 575/1800 to dwindle down to HD2900XTX performance.

Well, lets see what "other" things R600 really has to offer, feature wise.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Viditor!!! Where are you!!!
Have you heard anything about Applied Materials and AMD? Applied Materials market cap is over 26 Billion btw. (Not knowing if this actually means anything )

Care to share?

OT: heh, look at some of the comments under that DT article. Some certain fanboys are PEEEEVED off. I guess it's justifiable though. But to bitch about a 75MHz core and 200MHz mem o/c on that GTX is kind of petty. Judging from those quick benches, the GTX would have to be underclocked from 575/1800 to dwindle down to HD2900XTX performance.

Well, lets see what "other" things R600 really has to offer, feature wise.

i was P O'd at AMD six months ago for not launching it THEN ... cut your losses and carry on

"features"
--do we really care ... as gamers?

 

[gobucks]

what I don't understand about these numbers is how little the extra memory bandwidth seems to matter - ever since ATI introduced their "ring bus" memory architecture with the X1800XT a while back, it always seemed that their memory controller was more efficient than nvidia, memory clock speeds being equal - when i bought my X1800XT, all the benchmarks i was watching showed the ATI card doing better than 7900GTs when memory bandwidth was the limiting factor, even though most 7900GTs were overclocked to at least 1.5GHz for memory. I am absolutely amazed that the HD2900XTX can't beat the 8800GTX in the eye candy modes, considering it has 2 extra 64-bit memory controllers (512-bit versus 384-bit) and it uses friggin 2GHz GDDR4.

The only silver lining I can see is that maybe AMD will be able to come up with a quality midrange ATI card (HD2700XT?) to make some money. Most gamers are looking for a nice, quality $200-250 card, so as long as they don't come out with some lame garbage at the price point (8600GTS, i'm looking at you...) maybe they will be able to weather the storm until AMD is (hopefully) competitive again with Barcelona.

All I know is that it's extremely important for AMD to stay competitive; the last time Intel had the market to itself, processors prices started near $1000.

 

[apoppin]

"competitive" ?

i think the key word for AMD is "survival"

i am way too depressed to continue contemplating this AMD fiasco

i will head to work ... and away from things "PC"

 

[Makaveli]

i'm not even remotely worried about it. Far to many people on these forums act as if have invested in these company's and one or two bad products are gonna put you out of a home. Don't get me wrong I like seeing these guys go back and forth, AMD vs intel NV vs Ati(AMD)
but its not worth any of my tears. Not to mention whoever is on top rarely stays there over a year. There forums are starting to remind me of the Gossip mags in the newstands, but instead of a bunch of women bickering over who paris hitlon is sleeping with. Its bunch of guys fighting over who's videocard or cpu is 10% faster than the next guys. (Both are quite Sad)

Competition is good no one wants to see any of these guys go out of business, except for the dumbass fanboys who's don't understand how the world works.

I will save judgement until I see final hardware and drivers. And u know what if these benchmarks are indeed true, then Kudos to Nvidia for having the insight to design a GPU that was top for more than 1 Generation! which is hard to do these days!


Now the rest of u guys get off the keyboards and go do something fun like have sex!

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Viditor!!! Where are you!!!
Have you heard anything about Applied Materials and AMD? Applied Materials market cap is over 26 Billion btw. (Not knowing if this actually means anything )

Care to share?

OT: heh, look at some of the comments under that DT article. Some certain fanboys are PEEEEVED off. I guess it's justifiable though. But to bitch about a 75MHz core and 200MHz mem o/c on that GTX is kind of petty. Judging from those quick benches, the GTX would have to be underclocked from 575/1800 to dwindle down to HD2900XTX performance.

Well, lets see what "other" things R600 really has to offer, feature wise.

At least there is a bit of asilver lining if the Radeon HD 2900 XT is as competitive with the 880 gTS 640 as it is we have a need high peformance-mainstream champ, with the 8800 GTX remaining the fastest leader card.

 

[aka1nas]

Originally posted by: gobucks
what I don't understand about these numbers is how little the extra memory bandwidth seems to matter.

I don't think they have benched a single game with settings that would actually take advantage of that bandwith. They didn't do HDR+AA with Oblivion, which would have been a great test at high resolutions.