X2 4400+ Vs. X2 4400 (89w)

[twodaend]

I'm still using 939 and was looking to upgrade to dual core. I'm deciding between the X2 3800+ or the X2 4400+ with more cache. However, I see 2 differenct X2 4400+. The 110w and the 89w. I was wondering what is the difference and if I go with the X2 4400+ which would be better?

Thanks

 

[hennethannun]

898W is the way to go. uses less power, has a higher maximum safe operating temperature etc.

the only thing that would possibly suggest a regular old ADA 4000+ is overclocking. the 89W chips are new, and i don't think that anyone has a feel yet for how far these chips will overclock.

so, if you intend to OC the hell out of your processor, go with a 3800+. otherwise, go with the 89W ADV 4400+

 

[formulav8]

The 89w Chips use DSL Silicon, so definitely get that if you can. Should have alittle higher freq potential if you oc. Nothing is set in stone though when it comes to ocing though.



Jason

 

[KyaAvalanche]

I am currently running the ADV 2.8 @ 1.35V Temps running 31c idle and 52c Load. Everyone say the 3800+ is the best bang for the buck but I had to try the 4400+ myself.

I am having nothing but great luck with this processor and am very happy with it.

 

[Mucker]

ADV FTW, I'll be getting mine tomorrow. People are reporting 2.8 with these Going to hold off on C2D...waiting for a better selection of mb's.......

 

[hennethannun]

Kya,
is that 31C idle with or without C'n'Q?
also, what are the ambient temps?

at stock speeds I get about 34-35C idle with C'n'Q (39-40C without) and about 51C load on my ADV 4400+ with the AMD stock (4 heatpipe) cooler and that is with about 25C ambient temp. I'm hoping i can get 2.4 without having to buy an aftermarket cooler, but maybe even that would be pushing my luck...

 

[TomKazansky]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103626

newegg is having a sale...SHOULD I JUMP ON IT?

my a64 venice 3000 is showing its age...already

 

[Mucker]

Better price here: ZZF

 

[KyaAvalanche]

Originally posted by: hennethannun
Kya,
is that 31C idle with or without C'n'Q?
also, what are the ambient temps?

at stock speeds I get about 34-35C idle with C'n'Q (39-40C without) and about 51C load on my ADV 4400+ with the AMD stock (4 heatpipe) cooler and that is with about 25C ambient temp. I'm hoping i can get 2.4 without having to buy an aftermarket cooler, but maybe even that would be pushing my luck...

I have C'n'Q off. Abient Temp is 25c-26c The Ninja I am running has 6 heatpipes & 120mm fan. I am using Core temp to calculate my temps. I beleive with the 4 heatpipe stock HSF you should beable to hit 2.4 easy. I have read very good reviews about that HSF.

 

[Mucker]

I hear the ADV's are shipping with the crappy stock HSF, NOT the heatpipes, because of the lower wattage???? Not that it matters to me; a Big Typhoon will be sitting on mine....

 

[hennethannun]

that is correct. the ADV chips ship with the same stock heatsink as an A64 3000+. aluminum fins, 60mm fan. I just happened to have an extra heatpipe cooler lying around.

Kya, thanks for the info. I have been waiting for summer to end so I can try to get up to 2.4 or so (no AC in my office), and now that the weather is broken i should be able to give it a try this weekend.

One more question, those scythe coolers are pretty tall. do you have a tower case, and if so, how do you stabilize your heatsink. do you just trust the motherboard and back-plate, or do you have some form of supplementary restraint?

 

[TomKazansky]

the only thing that is stopping me right now is the outrageous ddr price =(

actually, ddr2-800 costs just as much as ddr-400 right now...hmm

 

[KyaAvalanche]

Originally posted by: hennethannun
that is correct. the ADV chips ship with the same stock heatsink as an A64 3000+. aluminum fins, 60mm fan. I just happened to have an extra heatpipe cooler lying around.

Kya, thanks for the info. I have been waiting for summer to end so I can try to get up to 2.4 or so (no AC in my office), and now that the weather is broken i should be able to give it a try this weekend.

One more question, those scythe coolers are pretty tall. do you have a tower case, and if so, how do you stabilize your heatsink. do you just trust the motherboard and back-plate, or do you have some form of supplementary restraint?

Yes it is very tall and wide but still not as heavy as it looks. I have it install with the back plate that came with the HS. I the case I have is the "Kingwin MutantX" and it barely fits in the case. Also if you plan on getting one check your board for interference with memory and such. My memory sits under the HS. Pain in the Blank!! Inside my Case

All in all Yes I trust my motherboard.

 

[KyaAvalanche]

Originally posted by: TomKazansky
the only thing that is stopping me right now is the outrageous ddr price =(

actually, ddr2-800 costs just as much as ddr-400 right now...hmm

Tom it is a S939 you don't need DDR2 ram!

 

[TomKazansky]

Originally posted by: KyaAvalanche

Originally posted by: TomKazansky
the only thing that is stopping me right now is the outrageous ddr price =(

actually, ddr2-800 costs just as much as ddr-400 right now...hmm

Tom it is a S939 you don't need DDR2 ram!

I know that, but they cost about the same right now. Currently, I have 1gb in my system; if I get the 4400, I would get a 2x1gb system

Makes me wonder if i should just wait until AM2 matures.

 

[TheRyuu]

Get the lower power one.
It's not like the EE ones were the OCing potetial was sh!t.

 

[Bobthelost]

I've got the higher power draw one (I think that's the ADA one), came with the fancy 4 pipe heatsink (now running on my semperon 3000, overkill perhaps?). However i've only ever gotten it to 2.6Ghz with 1.5V (temps were high even with a ninja). Instead it's at 1.45V and 2.5Ghz, either way it's a fairly mediocre to crap OC.

 

[KyaAvalanche]

ADV4400+ @ 2.8 Like I said before I might just be lucky!!!

 

[Mucker]

Well, no magic ADV here. Just got it today from ZZF:

CCBWE 0605 VPAW
TDP = 71.9 watts

ADV 4400 Results

It's good and stable but oh brother does it run hot at stock voltage. Take a look at core temp with Orthos running. It idles at 38C and shoots to 61C (80F ambient), and this is with a Big Typhoon and AS5. :Q My aching ass about "cooler, low power X2" . This cpu reminds me of a Clawhammer I used to toy with. High temperature delta between idle and load. The ADV games well though, max temps are under 50C.

Overall, I am happy with this cpu, it will surely last until a better mb selection for C2D becomes available.

 

[Parasitic]

I'm ordering one soon...now is 2.6 or 2.7 possible with the 89W version?
Also I have a XP-90 (non-copper)...is that going to be sufficient for the heat output?

 

[OcHungry]

Originally posted by: KyaAvalanche
I am currently running the ADV 2.8 @ 1.35V Temps running 31c idle and 52c Load. Everyone say the 3800+ is the best bang for the buck but I had to try the 4400+ myself.

I am having nothing but great luck with this processor and am very happy with it.

What stepping do you have?
Thanks

 

[OcHungry]

Originally posted by: hennethannun
Kya,
is that 31C idle with or without C'n'Q?
also, what are the ambient temps?

at stock speeds I get about 34-35C idle with C'n'Q (39-40C without) and about 51C load on my ADV 4400+ with the AMD stock (4 heatpipe) cooler and that is with about 25C ambient temp. I'm hoping i can get 2.4 without having to buy an aftermarket cooler, but maybe even that would be pushing my luck...

Is yours a 110 w or 89w? I didn't think the 89w come w/ heatpipe.

 

[Parasitic]

I'm ordering one soon...now is 2.6 or 2.7 possible with the 89W version?
Also I have a XP-90 (non-copper)...is that going to be sufficient for the heat output?

 

[Mucker]

Originally posted by: Parasitic
I'm ordering one soon...now is 2.6 or 2.7 possible with the 89W version?
Also I have a XP-90 (non-copper)...is that going to be sufficient for the heat output?

The TDP on my cpu is 71.9 watts. It is OC'd to 2600 MHz @ 1.400v. With both cpu's running full blast, the max temp shoots to 61C using a TT Big Typhoon. Because most games only use a single core, the max load temp will be lower, and I am seeing that. Maximum temp with gaming has been 46-48C in 80F. If both cores are going to run 100% continuously, be prepared to cool those suckers down.

 

[Parasitic]

Originally posted by: Mucker

Originally posted by: Parasitic
I'm ordering one soon...now is 2.6 or 2.7 possible with the 89W version?
Also I have a XP-90 (non-copper)...is that going to be sufficient for the heat output?

The TDP on my cpu is 71.9 watts. It is OC'd to 2600 MHz @ 1.400v. With both cpu's running full blast, the max temp shoots to 61C using a TT Big Typhoon. Because most games only use a single core, the max load temp will be lower, and I am seeing that. Maximum temp with gaming has been 46-48C in 80F. If both cores are going to run 100% continuously, be prepared to cool those suckers down.

Thanks. My 3500+ overclocked to 250 @ 1.4v is about 45C full load...the XP-90 seems to work ok for now so I might just stay with it.

Placed the orer just now...it'll be here next week.
Kinda expensive but I took the plunge. Monarch has already run out of the 4200+ and 4400+.