Because those same 2 people can't accept that progression of technology is always going to be going on and somebody always has to be better than the other. Even though thats good for the consumer they continue to argue.
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Wreckage
With ATI's delays and availability problems....NVIDIA has no competition these days. Even if the G80 was only 10% faster it's still the only DirectX 10 on the block. Having little or no stock on a 1950pro and selling what little stock you have for $300 is not going to help their fan base any either.Originally posted by: apoppin
... and i am waiting to see his reaction, anyway
but who is gonna want to pay $650 . . . for . . . nothing?
by the time it is useful for DX10 games, it'll be too slow to play them . . . just like nv30 with dx9.
ati has nothing to worry about if the +30% is true . . . only a true nvidia fan - or someone hoping for a step-up refresh - would buy one.
probably very expensive to produce and will also be in short supply . . . better get one Nov 8 --IF you really want one close to MSRP.
and there are planty of mindless fans who will pay $850 for one . . . they never learn . . . probably also bought a 7800GTX for $800 way back when . . .
It's not for nothing. You get a lot more than just raw speed (why 3dfx & ati fans are so fixated on fps I'll never know).
As for me, I indicated long ago that I probably won't be buying until the refresh hits. Nothing I've seen so far has made me want to change my mind about that.
apoppin
Lifer
i always though you guys were fixiated on raw fps . . . personally i count IQ very high and prefer my textures not to shimmer.Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Wreckage
With ATI's delays and availability problems....NVIDIA has no competition these days. Even if the G80 was only 10% faster it's still the only DirectX 10 on the block. Having little or no stock on a 1950pro and selling what little stock you have for $300 is not going to help their fan base any either.Originally posted by: apoppin
... and i am waiting to see his reaction, anyway
but who is gonna want to pay $650 . . . for . . . nothing?
by the time it is useful for DX10 games, it'll be too slow to play them . . . just like nv30 with dx9.
ati has nothing to worry about if the +30% is true . . . only a true nvidia fan - or someone hoping for a step-up refresh - would buy one.
probably very expensive to produce and will also be in short supply . . . better get one Nov 8 --IF you really want one close to MSRP.
and there are planty of mindless fans who will pay $850 for one . . . they never learn . . . probably also bought a 7800GTX for $800 way back when . . .
It's not for nothing. You get a lot more than just raw speed (why 3dfx & ati fans are so fixated on fps I'll never know).
As for me, I indicated long ago that I probably won't be buying until the refresh hits. Nothing I've seen so far has made me want to change my mind about that.
More than raw speed . . . of course . . . you get useless DX10 features . . . that is pretty clear.
and i have to agree with your waiting . . . i probably will wait till 2nd Gen DX10 HW . . . probably a full year . . . a x1950p should 'hold me' till then.
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ATI will have nothing that can touch it until next year... maybe. All they can do this year is paper launch an overpriced mid-range card.
Just like the X1XXX with HDR+AAby the time it is useful for DX10 games, it'll be too slow to play them . . . just like nv30 with dx9.
No. Only a true ATI fan will be left behind, while everyone else gets to enjoy the latest and greatest.
Still waiting on the X1950pro to be in ready supply and at MSRP.probably very expensive to produce and will also be in short supply . . . better get one Nov 8 --IF you really want one close to MSRP.
Maybe next year your team will have something......maybe.
apoppin
Lifer
Originally posted by: Wreckage
ATI will have nothing that can touch it until next year... maybe. All they can do this year is paper launch an overpriced mid-range card.
Just like the X1XXX with HDR+AAby the time it is useful for DX10 games, it'll be too slow to play them . . . just like nv30 with dx9.
No. Only a true ATI fan will be left behind, while everyone else gets to enjoy the latest and greatest.
Still waiting on the X1950pro to be in ready supply and at MSRP.probably very expensive to produce and will also be in short supply . . . better get one Nov 8 --IF you really want one close to MSRP.
Maybe next year your team will have something......maybe.
first of all, it's not 'my team'
secondly, i seriously doubt the '+30% claim' .. . . if it really is . . . as you are seeming to accept . . . then i lose absolutely nothing by waiting for r600 as current rigs can also have the 'latest and greatest' for less cost than g80.
some people are willing to pay 100% more for +25% improvment . . . and that is fine by me ... they help drive the industry
from what i see from the posts . . . so far . . . many current nvidia owners of top systems are satisfied to NOT upgrade . . . sitting this round out . . . IF the specs are true.
Perhaps you missed the part where that didn't have anything to do with this thread.
Besides, when being asked why you threw that in there and what specifically you were wanting to address in relation to this thread you claimed:
The speaker of that sentence even said that they didn't blame ATI for not being able to pin-point the actual street price of the product. Your [relevant] "gernade" was nothing but a failed attempt to burn the thread into another "ATI's PR team sucks!!!" thread. Even if the thread was about that, so what? I'm not exactly a fan of any PR teams unlike some.
Depends on the product. I haven't seen availability problems with their X1900XT's recently, and those compete quite well with just about everything.
Even if there was a DX10 game to play it would most likely be crapped out by EA while blending Far Cry and Quake 4 together to give a tropical, alien FPS. For the hardware to be needed there has to be a demand for it. I just don't see that demand for anything greater than some already mature/available cards. I play every game I have just fine on one X1900XT, and I'm sure that others with either the same card or the Nvidia equivalent feel the same way.
When there is more of a demand for DX10 and finer tuned hardware available, I'll probably buy.
Heh, that is a ridiculous price for an X1950 Pro. An X1900XT would be better and just about the same.
QFT.
It's speed depends on certain settings and preferences. While it is playable for me, it may not be for others. Although, one thing is for sure: it sure as hell isn't very popular in the games I play.
ATI has had a big problem with paper launching as of late, but Nvidia has released some overpriced mid-range cards recently as well.
Why would you get one? I thought you just got a 7800 AGP?
Well, you did have a point. I didn't want to overgeneralize EA's practices, even though I'm sure they don't have a noble one.
Well, the X1950XTX was first "delayed" and then was born with the head showing around August the 18th or so and the feet never came out until September 14th. Even after they were out the doctor had to go fishing for the toes called the "X1950XTX Crossfire Edition cards" a.k.a. X1950XTX Mastercards. He just recently retrieved them and we now finally have the latest, whole edition of ATI's new product.....
Enough with the labor analogy, the X1950 Pro was launched, and available, but not in the quanity nor price that some projected. Nvidia's 7900GS and 7950GT just kind of fell from the stork without any delays or problems besides being overpriced.
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My statement was in reference to the 1950pro. The x1900xt is a much better choice with the pro being $300.
The G80 will be a good choice for people building a new computer this year who don't upgrade the video card every 6 months (even then, by the G80 and upgrade in 6 months).
I agree.
I have a FX5900 that runs WoW just fine....(the previous comment bashing FX performance).
Such as? Overpriced compared to?
My statement was in reference to his comment about NVIDIA availability.
The SLi claim was referred to in the nvnews article dealing with ATi's pricing and availabilty, Josh, so yes, it's relevant.
You can't get the card at ATi's claimed price at the moment. Those who offer it at that price point are (or were at the time) out of stock. Those who do have the card in stock are charging more for it.
Perhaps you need some of ackmed's lasic eye surgery if you can't see that...
Yes, their talk about SLI and CF was in the press release, but this thread isn't about the X1950 Pro's PR, it's about the X1950 Pro itself. I don't understand why you want to concentrate on the moot debate between CF and SLI anyways. It seems to me that you're just wanting to make a mountain out of that pile of crap you call PRs instead of talking about the card itself.
When was I arguing that? I know ATI has been having bad launches recently and have been pretty vocal about it. They just finally got the X1950XTX Mastercards out and the majority of them are more expensive than their slave counter-parts.
What's up with the infatuation with Ackmed? You can't post consitently in a thread without saying, "fanatic" or "Ackmed". I don't need "lasic" surgery in order to differentiate your initiative at trolling. Didn't you say you never start the flames, yet came into this thread throwing a linguistic "gernade" that was nothing but the manufacturers own press release?
I'll let it drop just as soon as ATi and the fanatics stop making false claims and comparisons about nvidia's SLi.
You just don't get it do you? That what makes ATi's PR so sewer level (besides the anti-nvidia crap they come out with) - their own press release is total bullshit and I (and many others) love taking their FUD and ramming it back down their throats.
Where in this thread have they done that? Where in this forum have there been "fanatics" going around saying CF is better than SLI?
I get it just fine. You wanted to make this thread a discussion about ATI's crappy PR team and what info they release rather than the X1950 Pro itself.
And just some advice, in order to "ram their FUD back down their throats", you might want to save all of your complaints, rants, opinions, etc for an email to them instead of forum posts among other enthusiasts whom aren't apart of ATI's PR team.
Why not just make a seperate thread calling on all video card enthusiasts and supposed "fanatics" to address their concerns with their "sewer-level" press? If it is really that big of a deal to you I don't see any reason for you to withhold from bringing it to our attention without derailing an already existent thread.
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Here is a X1950 Pro IceQ3 in stock at Monarch
http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant...e=M&Product_Code=190856&AFFIL=FRG&NR=1
http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant...e=M&Product_Code=190856&AFFIL=FRG&NR=1
apoppin
Lifer
in your mind only ... ati's PR is certainly as 'good' as nvidia's.
you just *confirm* what a total nvidiot you are . . . . and you are WAY below ATi's PR . . . posting FUD that is simply ridiculous . . . and ruining whatever credibility you may have had.
Your gernade was a dud and totally unrelated to this thread....
as usual.
??? So crossfire is superior to sli? ATi's PR team didn't lie about the competition? thenx1950 pro was in plentiful supply and not overpriced?
I'll have to invest in a set of those rose colored sunglasses you are so fond of - they obviously have world changing powers...
I'll have to invest in a set of those rose colored sunglasses you are so fond of - they obviously have world changing powers...
apoppin
Lifer
they are really nice lenses . . . Oakley never disappoints . . . [unlike 'your' company (+30%- bah)]
actually Ati's PR team did not lie about the competition . . .
crossfire IS superior to Sli . . . in certain siutuations [i.e. the specific situations they did not lie about]
get it?
it's marketing - EXACTLY like nvidia's
[but not as bad as the sewer that is nvidia/AEG's viral crap]
and define 'plentiful' . . . i can buy one - right now!
[but i am waiting for the AGP ver.]
overpriced? well if the 7800GTX was not overpriced at $800 when it was in short supply, then the x1950xt at $300 is a real bargain . . .
:roll: Uh huh... I'm only playing Oblivion with HDR, AA, and AAA, while getting the same fps a 7900gtx would just with just HDR. I guess HDR must be useless on the gtx too?
I wouldn't say it was totally unrelated as it did discuss the intial press about the X1950 Pro. I think it was the way he was clutching to their CF/SLI claims and wanting to talk about nothing but ATI's PR team that made it unrelated.
1. nice find ;-) - competition is good for us
2. good luck getting one by the end of this year - you know how Monarch ships - don't you?
No, I didn't mean to be negative about your post ;-)
Any facts / info are good.
I just warned about Monarch sale / shipping practice that ppl have had in the past year - that are all over the net. The price is good, but by the time you get your order any street price would be the same or even lower ...
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