X1800XT Overclocking..

[EliteRetard]

Well to keep it about graphics cards, YES a 9700pro can run crysis. But my 8800 runs it better. I know you wont believe it (and I dont have it installed on that computer), so you can go on youtube and see all the other people doing it.

I never actually said a 9700pro can run modern games, but it can.

 

[apoppin]

Well to keep it about graphics cards, YES a 9700pro can run crysis. But my 8800 runs it better. I know you wont believe it (and I dont have it installed on that computer), so you can go on youtube and see all the other people doing it.

I never actually said a 9700pro can run modern games, but it can.

Yes you did. We keep showing your your own words and are you denying them now? Yet you keep insisting it can.


And No, the 9700p cannot run modern games. It cannot run Crysis in any playable manner except by masochists - or the truly desperate. i have the Warhead box in my hand - and Warhead is better optimized than Crysis - the absolute rock bottom MINIMUM is 9800p - everything low and at a low resolution. And if by luck you can get the slideshow to run, it doesn't look anything like "Crysis"

Crysis is an exercise in frustration - as are most modern games - on a 9700p. If you can afford to buy and play PC games, then you can afford to buy a cheap modern card to run them. If not, you should play older games.

 

[toyota]

Well to keep it about graphics cards, YES a 9700pro can run crysis. But my 8800 runs it better. I know you wont believe it (and I dont have it installed on that computer), so you can go on youtube and see all the other people doing it.

I never actually said a 9700pro can run modern games, but it can.

And the fact is, I CAN play any modern game...and like I said, it doesnt make them any more or less enjoyable. If its got a good story and/or is fun to play it doesnt matter how pretty it looks.

lol, it can run ANY modern game??? again the 9700pro does not even meet the minimum requirements to run many modern games so you are full of it. heck your 9700 pro does not even have SM 3.0 which is required by some games. some games need more than 256mb of vram just to be playable and I doubt you have more than that. if your cpu is as old as that 9700 pro then you are not playing squat that would be considered modern.


Batman AA
Resident Evil 5
Prey
Bioshock 1 and 2
Assassins Creed 1, 2, and Brotherhood
Ghostbusters
Cryostasis
The Ball
Aliens vs Predator
Gears of War
Transformers War for Cybertron
ARMA 2, Operation Arrowhead, and Cold War Assault
Splinter Cell Chaos Theory, Double Agent and Conviction
Lost Planet 1 and 2
James Bond Bloodstone and Quantum of Solace
Just Cause 2
Borderlands
GRID
F1 2010
Damnation
Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light
Tomb Raider Underworld
Homefront
Super Street Fighter 4
The Witcher 2
Red Faction Guerrilla and Armageddon
Crysis, Warhead and Crysis 2
FEAR 2 and 3
Far Cry 2
Prototype
Dirt 2 and 3
Call of Juarez, Bound in Blood and Cartel
Call of Duty MW, MW 2 and Black Ops
Dark Void
The Saboteur
Unreal Tournament 3
Silent Hill Homecoming
Shogun 2
Mass Effect 1 and 2
Dead Space 1 and 2
Singularity
Bad Company 2
Civ 5
Portal 2
R.U.S.E.
Command and Conquer Red Alert, and any CC 3 or CC4 title
Dawn of War II
Dead Rising 2
Neverwinter Nights 2
The Chronicles of Riddick Assault on Dark Athena
Mercenaries 2
Stranglehold
Serious Sam HD First Encounter and Second Encounter
The Last Remnant
Darksiders
Prince of Persia The Forgotten Sands
Magicka
Grand Theft Auto 4 and Episodes from Liberty City
Sniper Ghost Warrior
Duke Nukem Forever
Dragon Age Origins and Dragon Age 2
Dreamkiller
Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas
Turok
Timeshift
Operation Flashpoint Dragon Rising and Red River
Bionic Commando and Rearmed
Alone in the Dark
Kane & Lynch 2
Hydrophobia Prophecy
Metro 2033
Blacklight Tango Down
Blacksite Area 51
SAW
HAWX 2
Alpha Protocol
Bulletstorm
Turok
Brothers in Arms Hell's Highway
Legendary
Rainbow Six Vegas
Shattered Horizon
Section 8 and Prejudice
Medal of Honor Airborne and Medal of Honor
Damnation
Saints Row 2
Global Agenda
Clive Barker's Jericho
Velvet Assassin
Alice Madness Returns
Mirrors Edge
Mafia 2


well so much for your claim that you can play ANY modern game. that's over 100 modern games right there that require either SM 3.0 and/or a stronger video card than a 9700 pro. sure there are probably a few in there like Crysis where you could maybe run at 20-30 fps on all low settings at 800x600 but that's about it. the vast majority of those will not be remotely playable if they even let you start the game at all.


EDIT: a 9700 pro did not exactly tear through all games even back in 2004 on decent settings so most modern games even on low settings would kick its butt. and again you would be lucky to even meet minimum requirements in most newer games. http://www.anandtech.com/show/1464/5

 

[badb0y]

What does living within your means have to do with anything? You can buy cheaper modern budget cards that could play modern games if you don't spend a lot of money but to insist that old hardware from 2003(?) can still run current games is stupid.

 

[Rezist]

I love these arguments and I'll touch on the TV one.

So how does comparing a BW tv to a 5,000$ 80" TV even come up?

Who said anybody needed to have the "best" when it comes to anything? there's TV's at walmart for 100$ that will blow away your B/W tv.

Also my work jeans cost around 11$ a pair because in a year there going in the garbage, you spend money on where you feel the value is worth it. If your some big wig in a office job you probably spend money on your clothes because that will get you the raise/promotion if you work with tools you don't goto walmart to buy tools, you spend the money where it's needed.

 

[Rezist]

What does living within your means have to do with anything? You can buy cheaper modern budget cards that could play modern games if you don't spend a lot of money but to insist that old hardware from 2003(?) can still run current games is stupid.

Don't worry he'll now compare a 6990 or GTX590 to his 9700 pro knowing full well there are 50$ video cards that will offer a better experience.

 

[EliteRetard]

Batman AA
Prey
Bioshock 1 and 2
Assassins Creed 1, 2, and Brotherhood
The Ball
Aliens vs Predator
Splinter Cell Chaos Theory, Double Agent and Conviction
Just Cause 2
Borderlands
GRID
Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light
Tomb Raider Underworld
Homefront
Red Faction Guerrilla and Armageddon
Crysis, Warhead
FEAR 2 and 3
Far Cry 2
Dirt 2
Call of Juarez, Bound in Blood and Cartel
Call of Duty MW, MW 2 and Black Ops
Unreal Tournament 3
Shogun 2
Mass Effect 1 and 2
Bad Company 2
Civ 5
Command and Conquer Red Alert, and any CC 3 or CC4 title
Dawn of War II
Neverwinter Nights 2
Serious Sam HD First Encounter and Second Encounter
Grand Theft Auto 4 and Episodes from Liberty City
Duke Nukem Forever
Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas
Operation Flashpoint Dragon Rising and Red River
Alone in the Dark
Kane & Lynch 2
Metro 2033
HAWX 2
Brothers in Arms Hell's Highway
Rainbow Six Vegas
Medal of Honor Airborne and Medal of Honor
Saints Row 2
Clive Barker's Jericho
Mirrors Edge
Mafia 2


well so much for your claim that you can play ANY modern game.

And yet I have played all of these with my current hardware...most are still installed. Its to bad you guys cant understand anything. You say that a 9700pro cant play any games (yet it can even run crysis)...and that I cant play any modern games on my 8800. This argument clearly isnt going anywhere, Im proof that you all are wrong (and theres more proof online).

Of corse if I was building a new rig I wouldnt choose a 9700pro, to hard to find and not worth it. I can get a brand new 4850 for 40$, and thats all you need to play any and every game (and its faster than my 8800). There are few games I cant play on high detail, and when I compare certain games across my 9700pro and the 8800 the higher details really dont change the gameplay experience much. The difference between my 8800 and newer GPUs is even less.

All of you people saying that these older cards are worthless are simply flat out wrong. It all loops back around to my comments about greed and vanity...but I wont say anything further on that topic here. I already said I wouldnt be back to this thread (it was getting derailed), this time there really is nothing else to say...about video cards or otherwise.

 

[toyota]

And yet I have played all of these with my current hardware...most are still installed. Its to bad you guys cant understand anything. You say that a 9700pro cant play any games (yet it can even run crysis)...and that I cant play any modern games on my 8800. This argument clearly isnt going anywhere, Im proof that you all are wrong (and theres more proof online).

Of corse if I was building a new rig I wouldnt choose a 9700pro, to hard to find and not worth it. I can get a brand new 4850 for 40$, and thats all you need to play any and every game (and its faster than my 8800). There are few games I cant play on high detail, and when I compare certain games across my 9700pro and the 8800 the higher details really dont change the gameplay experience much. The difference between my 8800 and newer GPUs is even less.

All of you people saying that these older cards are worthless are simply flat out wrong. It all loops back around to my comments about greed and vanity...but I wont say anything further on that topic here. I already said I wouldnt be back to this thread (it was getting derailed), this time there really is nothing else to say...about video cards or otherwise.

wtf? YOU were claiming to run ANY modern game on your 9700pro. that was a lie because your card cannot play those games I listed. nobody said that you cant play any modern games on your 8800gts 320mb so stop twisting words and changing your argument.

not much difference between 8800gts 320mb and 9700pro? you can NOT even run most newer games on a 9700pro at all. you are so full of crap that you can not even keep up with your own ridiculous claims.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

*snip*

:biggrin:

I lost it at "not double FSB bumping like you should".

 

[apoppin]

And yet I have played all of these with my current hardware...most are still installed. Its to bad you guys cant understand anything. You say that a 9700pro cant play any games (yet it can even run crysis)...and that I cant play any modern games on my 8800. This argument clearly isnt going anywhere, Im proof that you all are wrong (and theres more proof online).

Of corse if I was building a new rig I wouldnt choose a 9700pro, to hard to find and not worth it. I can get a brand new 4850 for 40$, and thats all you need to play any and every game (and its faster than my 8800). There are few games I cant play on high detail, and when I compare certain games across my 9700pro and the 8800 the higher details really dont change the gameplay experience much. The difference between my 8800 and newer GPUs is even less.

All of you people saying that these older cards are worthless are simply flat out wrong. It all loops back around to my comments about greed and vanity...but I wont say anything further on that topic here. I already said I wouldnt be back to this thread (it was getting derailed), this time there really is nothing else to say...about video cards or otherwise.

You are the Master of Strawman arguments in this thread yet sadly you know very little about video graphics to back up your *ridiculous* claims.

None of us said the 9700P is worthless - EXCEPT for playing *modern* games. You have posted a load of nonsense on this forum and in this thread. His is a list of your nonsense in this post alone:

• You say that a 9700pro cant play any games (yet it can even run crysis) (no we *didn't*; and a 9700P is a crappy crysis experience)
• You say that ... I cant play any modern games on my 8800(no we *didn't*!!)
• I can get a brand new 4850 for 40$, and thats all you need to play any and every game(no, you *can't* get a BRAND NEW HD 4850 for $40)
  
• There are few games I cant play on high detail (on my 8800)(utter nonsense)
  
• The difference between my 8800 and newer GPUs is even less(utter nonsense)
• All of you people saying that these older cards are worthless(dirty strawman argument)
• It all loops back around to my comments about greed and vanity(perhaps you mean stubborness and ignorance)
• the higher details really dont change the gameplay experience much (how would you even know?)

• I already said I wouldnt be back to this thread ( we can only hope)

 

[r0tax]

Did this topic, about overclocking an X1800XT really turn into this?


So much drama on AT now days.. I miss when it was about hardware and geek talk.
:whiste:

Just to stir the pot, my 9700 Pro can play 'modern' Source games [TF2, HL2] (are they modern anymore)... It all comes down to what is 'modern' I spose. In which case, the point is moot anyway.
Use what works for you, and what is available to you.
Thats why I was asking about the X1800 ocing.. Its what I had available at the time, and just wanted some help/suggestions on the matter. Obviously getting very little, but its unimportant to me now.

But, regardless, it'd be nice if the next person searching for X1800 overclocking had something useful to read through...

 

[toyota]

Did this topic, about overclocking an X1800XT really turn into this?


So much drama on AT now days.. I miss when it was about hardware and geek talk.
:whiste:

Just to stir the pot, my 9700 Pro can play 'modern' Source games [TF2, HL2] (are they modern anymore)... It all comes down to what is 'modern' I spose. In which case, the point is moot anyway.
Use what works for you, and what is available to you.
Thats why I was asking about the X1800 ocing.. Its what I had available at the time, and just wanted some help/suggestions on the matter. Obviously getting very little, but its unimportant to me now.

But, regardless, it'd be nice if the next person searching for X1800 overclocking had something useful to read through...

well when people make ignorant claims or flat out lie about what their hardware can do they get called on it. "I CAN play any modern game" was total BS in regards to using a 9700pro.

anyway, I really doubt we will have too many people coming through here looking for overclocking advice for an x1800.

 

[RussianSensation]

All of you people saying that these older cards are worthless are simply flat out wrong.

There is a very useful website to quickly check Minimum GPU and CPU requirements for games:

http://www.yougamers.com/

X1800XT doesn't meet the minimum requirements for almost any modern game. By definition, 9700Pro 128mb, which is at least 4x slower (since X800XT was 2x faster than 9800Pro and X1800XT is 2x faster than X1800XT) is an automatic slideshow in all modern games (and by that I am not talking about Braid or Limbo or Super MeatBoy). Unless of course you consider Half-Life 2 a "modern game".

Metro 2033? Crysis 2? Witcher 2? STALKER: COP? Dirt 3? Nevermind, we don't need to get that demanding. Shift 2 Unleashed won't run on a videocard with less than 512MB of RAM.

Besides, if you are still using a 9700Pro, that means you have an AGP motherboard. So your CPU and RAM are probably insufficient to meet minimum specs either.

[*]I can get a brand new 4850 for 40$, and thats all you need to play any and every game(no, you *can't* get a BRAND NEW HD 4850 for $40)

Actually, that card was on special last December for $20 after MIR. I missed that deal, but got in for $47 on Newegg this March (to use as a backup). Then I realized I probably won't use it as a backup and sold it for $50 ($3 profit FTW!).

But, regardless, it'd be nice if the next person searching for X1800 overclocking had something useful to read through...

I don't think you understood the point of our posts. What is the difference in overclocking an X1800XT for modern games? To go from 14 fps to 17 fps?

You said you were upset that your memory wouldn't go to 840mhz and you are stuck at 810mhz. You realize that's only a 2GB/sec memory bandwidth difference? Guess how much of a performance difference is there going be as a result of 2GB/sec in modern games on a GPU limited card? 0!

Also, chances are such a card is paired with a slow CPU too. In other words, overclocking will do absolutely nothing to improve its performance in modern games. And no TF2 and HL2 are not modern games. Just because I play Starcraft 1 or Company of Heroes, that doesn't make those games modern either. I suppose if your definition of time is measured in decades rather than in years, then those games are modern.

Most X1800XTs max out near 700mhz with reference cooling.

 

[Leyawiin]

Most X1800XTs max out near 700mhz with reference cooling.

Could have saved a great deal of drama by posting this in the first place (rather than investing in a long-winded "OMG you've gotta be kidding me!!!" post). The O.P. asked about OC'ing it from a hobbyist's perspective - it wasn't like he was planning on running Metro 2033 with it. What's the harm in a quick, straight answer?

 

[RussianSensation]

Could have saved a great deal of drama by posting this in the first place (rather than investing in a long-winded "OMG you've gotta be kidding me!!!" post).

I am sorry if my post has caused a lot of drama to some. I apologize if you thought my response was immature and didn't appreciate the humor in my post. Granted, it only takes 5-10 minutes of Google search to arrive at an X1800XT overclocking review/guide. Maybe there should be a separate section for overclocking ancient videocards as practice for those who intend to pursue this practice with modern offerings.

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

Very, very appropriate username.
Still better than arguments that I've heard regarding how an FX5200 can play any modern game XD