X1800 XL's idle at 90C?

[edmundoab]

but I think ATI has improved alot on the cooling method ever since 9700 Pro
while keeping the card still decent in size

while Nvidia just keep getting heavier

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Zstream

Originally posted by: Pabster
I find 90C idle hard to believe.

I think it is safe to say they run way too hot, for sure. 90C sounds more like under load, not idle. Although that would probably put idle temps around 70-75C which is ridiculous.

Nah it is a bug, If you put a sensor on it the core the temp is around 45C Idle and goes up to 70C at full load, seems as if the sensor in the bios is misreporting info.

That will only give you temps outside of the core and around it. Not actual core temps.
So, that would be way inaccurate.

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: kakapo
None would be more happy than me if this was indeed a bug that could be solved with a bios or driver update.
But what I need is someone saying yes, we have something on its way to fix this.
And Gecube which is the vendor of this card has no technical channel whatsoever.

If you still have the X1800XL -- did the heatsinks *feel* hot at idle? If it was really anywhere near 90C, you'd barely be able to touch them. If it's reporting 90C but the heatsinks just feel "warm" (or, worse, not warm!), then either the temps are being misreported, or the heatsink is not making good contact with the GPU (which could result in the actual core temp skyrocketing even at idle).

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: edmundoab
but I think ATI has improved alot on the cooling method ever since 9700 Pro
while keeping the card still decent in size

while Nvidia just keep getting heavier

The 7800GTX and X1800XT are basically the same size(length wise) and yet the ATI has a dual slot cooler



X1800XT vs 7800GTX

7800GT vs X1800XL

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Matthias99

Originally posted by: kakapo
None would be more happy than me if this was indeed a bug that could be solved with a bios or driver update.
But what I need is someone saying yes, we have something on its way to fix this.
And Gecube which is the vendor of this card has no technical channel whatsoever.

If you still have the X1800XL -- did the heatsinks *feel* hot at idle? If it was really anywhere near 90C, you'd barely be able to touch them. If it's reporting 90C but the heatsinks just feel "warm" (or, worse, not warm!), then either the temps are being misreported, or the heatsink is not making good contact with the GPU (which could result in the actual core temp skyrocketing even at idle).

Is ATI still using that shim around the GPU? I wonder if it could be milled to thick not allowing contact with the HS. Just the thermal paste may be transferring heat and we all know that thermal paste can actually hinder heat transfer if applied to thick. Not saying that is what is happening here, just remembering the R3xx's that had this problem.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: edmundoab
but I think ATI has improved alot on the cooling method ever since 9700 Pro
while keeping the card still decent in size

The 9700 Pro stock cooling is hardly anything special. Just a cheap $5 hs/f clip assembly.

Let's stick to discussing cooling on the current-generation cards

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: edmundoab
but I think ATI has improved alot on the cooling method ever since 9700 Pro
while keeping the card still decent in size

while Nvidia just keep getting heavier

Can I ask what the weight of the card has to do with anything? Just curious.

 

[Zstream]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Zstream

Originally posted by: Pabster
I find 90C idle hard to believe.

I think it is safe to say they run way too hot, for sure. 90C sounds more like under load, not idle. Although that would probably put idle temps around 70-75C which is ridiculous.

Nah it is a bug, If you put a sensor on it the core the temp is around 45C Idle and goes up to 70C at full load, seems as if the sensor in the bios is misreporting info.

That will only give you temps outside of the core and around it. Not actual core temps.
So, that would be way inaccurate.

Have you never put a thermal sensor on something before? of course I cant cut the core open and insert it. I lay it flat on the core and test it. What a dummy

 

[Steelski]

i would really like a site to test these so we have som sort of official word on these temps. Sounds very good if that is the real temp you are reporting. right in line with what people should expect. the XT on the other hand is likley to be a bit hotter

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Zstream
Nah it is a bug, If you put a sensor on it the core the temp is around 45C Idle and goes up to 70C at full load, seems as if the sensor in the bios is misreporting info.

That will only give you temps outside of the core and around it. Not actual core temps.
So, that would be way inaccurate.

[/quote]

Have you never put a thermal sensor on something before? of course I cant cut the core open and insert it. I lay it flat on the core and test it. What a dummy

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I use thermal-couples for monitoring temperatures. And none can be as accurate as a sensor (thats functioning properly) inside a core. If you want the "outside" surface temp of a core, your way is perfectly fine.

And for your viewing pleasure, as per your dummy comment. Link

 

[johnnqq]

i've said this so many times

THIS GENERATION SUCKS

 

[Zstream]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Zstream
Nah it is a bug, If you put a sensor on it the core the temp is around 45C Idle and goes up to 70C at full load, seems as if the sensor in the bios is misreporting info.

That will only give you temps outside of the core and around it. Not actual core temps.
So, that would be way inaccurate.

Have you never put a thermal sensor on something before? of course I cant cut the core open and insert it. I lay it flat on the core and test it. What a dummy

[/quote]

I use thermal-couples for monitoring temperatures. And none can be as accurate as a sensor (thats functioning properly) inside a core. If you want the "outside" surface temp of a core, your way is perfectly fine.

And for your viewing pleasure, as per your dummy comment. Link

[/quote]

Do you know where half of the sensors get the temp? Apparently not, motherboard manufacturers put the SENSOR at the bottom of the core to report temps. All modern IC semiconductors come with INTERNAL thermal overload cuircuts (temp sensors) and they are internal to the case of the chip. The sensor I use is perfect for reporting temps, if you think you know it all then why has AMD recommended this way for getting a temp?

http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content...e/white_papers_and_tech_docs/24228.pdf

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Zstream

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Zstream
Nah it is a bug, If you put a sensor on it the core the temp is around 45C Idle and goes up to 70C at full load, seems as if the sensor in the bios is misreporting info.

That will only give you temps outside of the core and around it. Not actual core temps.
So, that would be way inaccurate.

Have you never put a thermal sensor on something before? of course I cant cut the core open and insert it. I lay it flat on the core and test it. What a dummy

I use thermal-couples for monitoring temperatures. And none can be as accurate as a sensor (thats functioning properly) inside a core. If you want the "outside" surface temp of a core, your way is perfectly fine.

And for your viewing pleasure, as per your dummy comment. Link

[/quote]

Do you know where half of the sensors get the temp? Apparently not, motherboard manufacturers put the SENSOR at the bottom of the core to report temps. All modern IC semiconductors come with INTERNAL thermal overload cuircuts (temp sensors) and they are internal to the case of the chip. The sensor I use is perfect for reporting temps, if you think you know it all then why has AMD recommended this way for getting a temp?

http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content...e/white_papers_and_tech_docs/24228.pdf
[/quote]

I could have sworn we were talking about an X1800XL and not motherboards and AMD CPU's. You're saying that if we rip off a GPU from a 1800XL, we will find a temp sensor under it? Do you know this for a fact? Or is it truly integrated into the Core. I think its the latter don't you? Anyway hot shot, I don't know it all, but I do know when two people need to agree to disagree and be civil about it. This is one of those cases.

Cheers.

 

[mOeeOm]

Originally posted by: 1Dark1Sharigan1

Originally posted by: Duvie
We all knew they would be hot but I was thinking idfle in the high 50's low 60s at stock and maybe touch 80's at load for long periods....

That sounds like my X800XL (load temps anyway) before I changed the cooler on it . . . actually mid 80s are load isn't that bad at all consider the clock speeds on that thing and that tiny little cooler . . . as I just said, even my X800XL stock gets temps similar to that . . .

-_- my x800xl idles at 50C and the max load it ever gets to is 54C.

 

[BlingBlingArsch]

would u pls check for the 90°C manually, literally with ur fingers.

 

[TomKazansky]

Originally posted by: malG

Originally posted by: rise4310
well like keys said, i think, or at least hope, its a sensor or driver issue.

as for the warranty, just don't buy bbati. powercolor et al are still offering reasonable warrantys (more than a year) last i saw.

Too bad the Powercolor ones are not available for sale :roll:

no retailers are willing to buy the powercolor ones at msrp, that's why you can't find any on the market.

 

[Madellga]

If any of you would remember, I posted a thread about the X1800XL some days ago.

The card is around 66C when iddle and 75~77C under load.

My case is an Antec P160.

 

[myrcgarage]

Anybody has an RC(Radio Control) temp gun? Try pointing to the card while in full load or idle to see the temp and then compare to what the software reports. That might give you a good idea if it is the card has cooling problem or software has bug.

 

[kakapo]

Ok, here comes an update.

I can confirm that the reporting of 90 degrees is indeed a driver issue. There's a hotfix available for this.
Like Madellga said, idle temp is 66-67c and load is 70-75C.

Only thing left now for me to be completely satisfied with this card is to replace the cooler with something less noisy, and this fan makes ALOT of noice most of the time.

Anyone knows of a cooler that would fit on this card?

 

[Zstream]

Originally posted by: kakapo
Ok, here comes an update.

I can confirm that the reporting of 90 degrees is indeed a driver issue. There's a hotfix available for this.
Like Madellga said, idle temp is 66-67c and load is 70-75C.

Only thing left now for me to be completely satisfied with this card is to replace the cooler with something less noisy, and this fan makes ALOT of noice most of the time.

Anyone knows of a cooler that would fit on this card?

My fan noise actually is much quiter then what you are all reporting, my main sound maker now is the front fan on my case. My x1800XL is built by ATI, is yours the sapphire one or ATI's?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: kakapo
Ok, here comes an update.

I can confirm that the reporting of 90 degrees is indeed a driver issue. There's a hotfix available for this.
Like Madellga said, idle temp is 66-67c and load is 70-75C.

Only thing left now for me to be completely satisfied with this card is to replace the cooler with something less noisy, and this fan makes ALOT of noice most of the time.

Anyone knows of a cooler that would fit on this card?

That sounds a bit more like it. I just checked Arctic Cooling's website and they don't seem to have a version for the X1x00 series yet. Give them a little time and they should have one. I don't know what else you can use for your card ATM.

 

[BlingBlingArsch]

i think the Zalman vf 700 fits perfectly.

 

[rcabor]

Originally posted by: BlingBlingArsch
i think the Zalman vf 700 fits perfectly.

I will confirm that it fits just fine.