X1600pro or 6600gt

[TanisHalfElven]

could soebody please look into these pages and tell me which is the best video card to buy for under Rs 10000.
http://www.galaxy.com.pk/products/ati-graphic.htm
http://www.galaxy.com.pk/products/ati-graphic.htm
http://www.galaxy.com.pk/products/msi-graphic.htm
http://www.galaxy.com.pk/products/other-graphic.htm

i particualrly found the X1600 pro 256mb (connect3d) and the 6600gt 128mb (XFX) very very nice. what do you think and which do you think i should get.. also please keep in micd that i use linux (for which nvidia drive pwn the ati drivers). other than that gaming would be hlaf in linux and half in windows. also what is the 6600 TD that asus offers. is it better than the stock 6600 and 6600gt.?

 

[Malladine]

6600gt

the x1600 line is a joke

 

[Powermoloch]

Originally posted by: Malladine
6600gt

the x1600 line is a joke

lol

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2680&p=2

even though it's a x1600xt instead of a pro, you get the picture that it is better than the 6600GT.

 

[Malladine]

Originally posted by: Powermoloch

Originally posted by: Malladine
6600gt

the x1600 line is a joke

lol

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2680&p=2

even though it's a x1600xt instead of a pro, you get the picture that it is better than the 6600GT.

what price? It's a joke line...they get giggles out of people buying those cards. I saw them. They were giggling.


K fine, the x1600xt is faster and a better buy.

I still don't like being laughed at.

I saw them. Giggling and sh|t.

B@stards.

 

[A554SS1N]

if the X1600Pro were to cost only a little more or the same, then yes it would be better - if you can't find any cheap enough then 6600GT will be Ok. I imagine the X1600Pro would benefit more from overclocking as the frequency affects 12 pipes, though

 

[imported_killuminati]

well first x1600pro compared to 6600gt is better and more powerfull .

Advantages of x1600pro over 6600GT :
1) 90 Micron process , meaning more cooler and less power required to run .
2) 12 PixelPipeline Vs the crappy 6600GT 8 pixelpipelines .
3) Shader Model 3.0
4) ATI AVIVO .

btw u need PCI-Express mobo to use the x1600pro , coz it only comes in PCI-Express x16 Slot , which is faster then AGP 8x .

btw the wepage u listed above is of Galaxy Computers Karachi ????

u lahori or karachtie

Asus 6600 TD is Stock 6600 with Core Clock of 300Mhz and Memory Clock of 500Mhz and DDR1 .
6600GT is much better then the 6600 .

btw 6600gt cost RS 9300-9900 , for the price range i suggest x1600pro .

btw check wccforums.net ( beloved patriot Gaming Forums )


Peace & ciao !!!

 

[openwheelformula1]

Well the above post is not entirely true. They both support SM3.0, and ATI's AVIVO is not entirely an advantage. Considering 6600GT is capable of hardware accellerating 1080p h.264 while x1600 series can only do 720p. That along turns me away from the x1600 series. I do agree though x1600 is faster, but you can get a 6600GT dirt cheap these days as well. Both don't give you insane frames but 6600GT does give you better HTPC support and SLI. Crossfire is still unproven imo. It really depends on your budget, if you want to save a couple bucks the 6600GT isn't bad. To me they are both not worth getting for gaming.

 

[JPB]

http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=187&card2=329

 

[imported_JamesDax]

Ahh, the X1600Pro is availible for AGP and is cheaper then a 6600GT AGP. As for performance I've seen no reviews of the X1600pro AGP but would love to because I've been thinking about getting this card.

I should note that the X1600Pro comes with 256Mb which is cheaper then the 6600GT with 256Mb. The 128Mb 6600GT runs about the same price as the 256Mb X1600Pro.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: openwheelformula1
Well the above post is not entirely true. They both support SM3.0, and ATI's AVIVO is not entirely an advantage. Considering 6600GT is capable of hardware accellerating 1080p h.264 while x1600 series can only do 720p. That along turns me away from the x1600 series. I do agree though x1600 is faster, but you can get a 6600GT dirt cheap these days as well. Both don't give you insane frames but 6600GT does give you better HTPC support and SLI. Crossfire is still unproven imo. It really depends on your budget, if you want to save a couple bucks the 6600GT isn't bad. To me they are both not worth getting for gaming.

Is there currently h264 acceleration on any Nv card? I always keep hearing how they will enable it in the future driver release, but I havent seen any confirmation that it works right now.

 

[openwheelformula1]

85.xx series drivers will feature h.264 hardware accelleration.

 

[blckgrffn]

Ummm... huh. I remember that A) the x1600 pro is slower in real world benchmarks outside of 3dMark and B)It's not really a "12 Pipe" card. It has only 4 texture units which really cuts down on the fillrate. And hey, don't forget the x800's you can get for ~$100. They should steal the show from both of the cards you mentioned with everything set to stock.

Nat

Clearly, x1600 is a joke and they ARE laughing at you...

Man, the x1600xt loses most of the benches in there to the 6600GT, and we aren't even comparing the price difference. Ouch.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: blckgrffn
Ummm... huh. I remember that A) the x1600 pro is slower in real world benchmarks outside of 3dMark and B)It's not really a "12 Pipe" card. It has only 4 texture units which really cuts down on the fillrate. And hey, don't forget the x800's you can get for ~$100. They should steal the show from both of the cards you mentioned with everything set to stock.

Nat

Clearly, x1600 is a joke and they ARE laughing at you...

Man, the x1600xt loses most of the benches in there to the 6600GT, and we aren't even comparing the price difference. Ouch.

RIF! Are you confusing the percentage performance drop with 4xAA with the FPS in that article you linked? Quote "The X1600 XT fairly consistently performs much worse than the 6800 GT and a little better than the 6600 GT.

 

[imported_JamesDax]

Sure looks like the X1600XT is beating the 6600GT to me. Espically when AA is turned on. But these are PCIe cards. What I need to know is how the X1600pro AGP rates vs. the 6600GT AGP.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: JamesDax
Sure looks like the X1600XT is beating the 6600GT to me. Espically when AA is turned on. But these are PCIe cards. What I need to know is how the X1600pro AGP rates vs. the 6600GT AGP.

I think you will be happy with either, but I'd go 6600GT in AGP.

 

[hooflung]

Originally posted by: openwheelformula1
85.xx series drivers will feature h.264 hardware accelleration.

Considering the 8X.XX are the worst drivers I have ever used since RAGE3D and Diamond Stealth 3D 2000's... I'll pass. I can't use JAVA at all when I have anything accessing the 3d functions ( Ogl AND DX ) and visa versa.

78.82 until they can keep the crap code out their officials.

My buddy can't use 3D studio or Paint Ship pro off the 8x.xx either with his SLI rig.

 

[imported_JamesDax]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: JamesDax
Sure looks like the X1600XT is beating the 6600GT to me. Espically when AA is turned on. But these are PCIe cards. What I need to know is how the X1600pro AGP rates vs. the 6600GT AGP.

I think you will be happy with either, but I'd go 6600GT in AGP.

I hear you, but the 256Mbs of ram sways me to the X1600pro.

 

[TanisHalfElven]

Originally posted by: killuminati
well first x1600pro compared to 6600gt is better and more powerfull .

Advantages of x1600pro over 6600GT :
1) 90 Micron process , meaning more cooler and less power required to run .
2) 12 PixelPipeline Vs the crappy 6600GT 8 pixelpipelines .
3) Shader Model 3.0
4) ATI AVIVO .

btw u need PCI-Express mobo to use the x1600pro , coz it only comes in PCI-Express x16 Slot , which is faster then AGP 8x .

btw the wepage u listed above is of Galaxy Computers Karachi ????

u lahori or karachtie

Asus 6600 TD is Stock 6600 with Core Clock of 300Mhz and Memory Clock of 500Mhz and DDR1 .
6600GT is much better then the 6600 .

btw 6600gt cost RS 9300-9900 , for the price range i suggest x1600pro .

btw check wccforums.net ( beloved patriot Gaming Forums )


Peace & ciao !!!

karachi..
so you recommend x1600pro right. but all the features (excep avivo) are also in 6600gt.


also i forgot to mention my new mobo is pci-E

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: blckgrffn
Ummm... huh. I remember that A) the x1600 pro is slower in real world benchmarks outside of 3dMark and B)It's not really a "12 Pipe" card. It has only 4 texture units which really cuts down on the fillrate. And hey, don't forget the x800's you can get for ~$100. They should steal the show from both of the cards you mentioned with everything set to stock.

Nat

Clearly, x1600 is a joke and they ARE laughing at you...

Man, the x1600xt loses most of the benches in there to the 6600GT, and we aren't even comparing the price difference. Ouch.

RIF! Are you confusing the percentage performance drop with 4xAA with the FPS in that article you linked? Quote "The X1600 XT fairly consistently performs much worse than the 6800 GT and a little better than the 6600 GT.

they are talking about a x1600 XT (the top model) and not pro.

oh yes and will the card benifit from the 128 mb extra ram??

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: JamesDax

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: JamesDax
Sure looks like the X1600XT is beating the 6600GT to me. Espically when AA is turned on. But these are PCIe cards. What I need to know is how the X1600pro AGP rates vs. the 6600GT AGP.

I think you will be happy with either, but I'd go 6600GT in AGP.

I hear you, but the 256Mbs of ram sways me to the X1600pro.

The card isn't fast enough to take advantage of the extra ram in most titles, it is a marketing gimmick.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven

Originally posted by: killuminati
well first x1600pro compared to 6600gt is better and more powerfull .

Advantages of x1600pro over 6600GT :
1) 90 Micron process , meaning more cooler and less power required to run .
2) 12 PixelPipeline Vs the crappy 6600GT 8 pixelpipelines .
3) Shader Model 3.0
4) ATI AVIVO .

btw u need PCI-Express mobo to use the x1600pro , coz it only comes in PCI-Express x16 Slot , which is faster then AGP 8x .

btw the wepage u listed above is of Galaxy Computers Karachi ????

u lahori or karachtie

Asus 6600 TD is Stock 6600 with Core Clock of 300Mhz and Memory Clock of 500Mhz and DDR1 .
6600GT is much better then the 6600 .

btw 6600gt cost RS 9300-9900 , for the price range i suggest x1600pro .

btw check wccforums.net ( beloved patriot Gaming Forums )


Peace & ciao !!!

karachi..
so you recommend x1600pro right. but all the features (excep avivo) are also in 6600gt.


also i forgot to mention my new mobo is pci-E

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: blckgrffn
Ummm... huh. I remember that A) the x1600 pro is slower in real world benchmarks outside of 3dMark and B)It's not really a "12 Pipe" card. It has only 4 texture units which really cuts down on the fillrate. And hey, don't forget the x800's you can get for ~$100. They should steal the show from both of the cards you mentioned with everything set to stock.

Nat

Clearly, x1600 is a joke and they ARE laughing at you...

Man, the x1600xt loses most of the benches in there to the 6600GT, and we aren't even comparing the price difference. Ouch.

RIF! Are you confusing the percentage performance drop with 4xAA with the FPS in that article you linked? Quote "The X1600 XT fairly consistently performs much worse than the 6800 GT and a little better than the 6600 GT.

they are talking about a x1600 XT (the top model) and not pro.

oh yes and will the card benifit from the 128 mb extra ram??

The extra ram isn't going to do any good in most titles, and as you pointed out the XT is a faster model, so you can expect the pro to have lower performance. I am not familar with the overclockability of the pro, so that is something to look into.

The 6600GT does have purevideo, and when the 85 FWs are out, it'll do H.264 1080p acceleration, the x1600 will be limited to 720p. AVIVO has its strong points to of course.

 

[blckgrffn]

RIF! Are you confusing the percentage performance drop with 4xAA with the FPS in that article you linked? Quote "The X1600 XT fairly consistently performs much worse than the 6800 GT and a little better than the 6600 GT.

Not at all. The number of benches that the x1600xt does get beat on is pretty funny seeing as it is a whole generation newer and priced up considerably (~$50) and the x800 does quite well against it.

The x1600 Pro, which you are looking at, is at a fairly attractive price point, but won't perform as well as the XT which does perform across the board slightly better than a 6600GT. But we are looking at about 50% memory bandwidth loss which will surely hinder it quite a bit with AA on. Also, losing 90 mhz on the core is an issue as well.

The point is, if you are looking at XT benches, you might as well pick up a x800xl for the same price off the FS/FT forums that would perform a far site better and can be had for $150. If instead you are looking at the 6600's and like to OC some, a 6600 GDDR2 would be a good bet if you were that concerned about the 256 megs of ram. 6600's easily oc to ~500mhz in my experience and the ram should be able to hit ~800 mhz. At that speed, it should be an easy match for the fillrate hungry x1600.

Whatever you buy, I hope you enjoy it!

Nat

 

[Steelski]

Originally posted by: JamesDax
Sure looks like the X1600XT is beating the 6600GT to me. Espically when AA is turned on. But these are PCIe cards. What I need to know is how the X1600pro AGP rates vs. the 6600GT AGP.

exactly the same bub

 

[Steelski]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: JamesDax

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: JamesDax
Sure looks like the X1600XT is beating the 6600GT to me. Espically when AA is turned on. But these are PCIe cards. What I need to know is how the X1600pro AGP rates vs. the 6600GT AGP.

I think you will be happy with either, but I'd go 6600GT in AGP.

I hear you, but the 256Mbs of ram sways me to the X1600pro.

The card isn't fast enough to take advantage of the extra ram in most titles, it is a marketing gimmick.

when was the last time you compared two exactly the same cards with one using 256mb and the other 128mb. There is a difference and it is powerful enough to take advantage. i suppose you would recomend 64mb over 128 aswell.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Steelski
when was the last time you compared two exactly the same cards with one using 256mb and the other 128mb.

I have not. Often it is difficult to find cards available in 128 and 256mb versions that use the same ram though. E.G. Sapphire uses different ram with their X1600 Pro 128 and 256 models.

There is a difference and it is powerful enough to take advantage. i suppose you would recomend 64mb over 128 aswell.

No, I wouldn't recommend 64mb for a card in the 6600 or X1600 performance range. I also have no problem with readily admitting I'm wrong on a topic, and always willing to learn. That said, at this time, I cannot think of current popular titles where for instance, a Sapphire X1600 Pro AGP@500/800 would be capable of running the res and settings that would make the extra ram useful. What are some of them, and how big a difference does it make compared to the 128mb variant@the same/similar clock speeds? TIA, I did a quick google but didn't see those 2 together.

Originally posted by: Steelski

Originally posted by: JamesDax
Sure looks like the X1600XT is beating the 6600GT to me. Espically when AA is turned on. But these are PCIe cards. What I need to know is how the X1600pro AGP rates vs. the 6600GT AGP.

exactly the same bub

How is it a X1600 pro AGP clocked@500/800 will perform the same as the X1600XT@590/1380?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Steelski

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: JamesDax

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: JamesDax
Sure looks like the X1600XT is beating the 6600GT to me. Espically when AA is turned on. But these are PCIe cards. What I need to know is how the X1600pro AGP rates vs. the 6600GT AGP.

I think you will be happy with either, but I'd go 6600GT in AGP.

I hear you, but the 256Mbs of ram sways me to the X1600pro.

The card isn't fast enough to take advantage of the extra ram in most titles, it is a marketing gimmick.

when was the last time you compared two exactly the same cards with one using 256mb and the other 128mb. There is a difference and it is powerful enough to take advantage. i suppose you would recomend 64mb over 128 aswell.

I'm with DP on the 128 vs 256- cards where you make this choice aren't powerful enough to need the extra RAM.