X-Men: Apocalypse. Very disappointing.

[master_shake_]

it was okay. Main villain sure talked a good game, keyword talked and talked and talked.

It was pretty lame.

even in the cartoon that's all he did.

talked about his past what he wants in the future and what he's going to do in the present.

 

[Anubis]

even in the cartoon that's all he did.

talked about his past what he wants in the future and what he's going to do in the present.

he at least sounded cool in the TV show

 

[Skel]

It wasn't the worst movie I've seen and I thought it was better than I expected. It still had a lot of issues. The opening scene where we learn of the villain was odd.

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Who architected this place? Four pillars and the whole thing comes down?

. doesn't help that Apocalypse looked like a broken down Power Rangers villain. The change up in his powers of being able to take the bodies of other mutants and then he has their powers made him too powerful. It made no sense that he was taken down at the end, even with Deus Ex

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Phoenix.

I was also really confused on the whole

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is he controlling them or not angle. It seemed like he was and then suddenly wasn't. I did crack up at when Mags thought about not his wife or kid, but of Xavier. Made it really seem like they had a bit closer relationship than I thought.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

And this storyline has been around the X-Men world a decade or two prior to 9/11 and our current state of muslimphobia. But then, that was always based on the same type of prejudices and fear of the unknown that has plagued our species....basically why Stan Lee created the X-Men in the early 60s.

Well stated, and agreed.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

X-Men was created in the 60s in mirror for the struggles for civil rights.

Martin Luther King Jr = Professor X
Malcom X = Magneto

All good and well, and sort of my point. That a real life event can be an analog. You were unable to suspend disbelief because you saw it as way over the top, crossing the line of plausibility; I did not have that issue, for the reason stated.

Timeline is also irrelevant for me, as there is so much fuckery with the already confusing chronology and continuity of comics, when translating to film for mass consumption.

 

[zerocool84]

Apocalypse looks horrible in this. He's Ivan Ooze. Sorry but I'll wait for Redbox on this one.

 

[JEDI]

This movie continues where X-Men: Days of Future Past leaves off. I won't spoil it for you, but man, what a let down. Apocalypse was really boring from beginning to end. Days of Future Past was so much more interesting and entertaining throughout.

Rating: C -

hows it compare it to Superman v Batman

 

[Sonikku]

Apocalypse looks horrible in this. He's Ivan Ooze. Sorry but I'll wait for Redbox on this one.

I thought Ivan Ooze was a hoot.

 

[poofyhairguy]

I liked it mostly. The first hour is great, I love seeing Magneto try to be normal, or Storm's origin story. The ending is not so great, as one of the horseman get forgiveness that I think was undeserved by that point in the movie. I liked how it ties to the old movie plots and I liked the whole anti-nuke thing ala Superman 4. I disliked the main villain, he just never inspired the awe or brilliance of apocalypse. 7.5/10

 

[Omegachi]

so...at the end of the movie, they few into egypt in a plastic plane right? how the hell was the plane not affected by magneto's magnetic field??? the field was so powerful it was fucking up the whole world. And yet, it had no affect on the plane they few right into him.

 

[Omegachi]

hows it compare it to Superman v Batman

a little better, but not by much.

 

[TheELF]

so...at the end of the movie, they few into egypt in a plastic plane right? how the hell was the plane not affected by magneto's magnetic field??? the field was so powerful it was fucking up the whole world. And yet, it had no affect on the plane they few right into him.

You ever saw the experiment with the magnet and the iron dust?
Did you ever wonder why there is no blob of iron dust but it builds fine lines with no dust in between?

 

[Ancalagon44]

You and I drew different conclusions from the ending of the film.

Trask whipped up terror [sound familiar?] over the mutant threat. Which led to all mutants being labeled enemies of the state. By protecting the prez and foregoing revenge on Trask, the X-men demonstrated that not all mutants were enemies. And as it turned out that Trask was selling secrets to our enemies, and was exposed because of the X-men's interference, that proved to be another calming effect on hostilities between "good" mutants and the U.S. gov.

IRL, Muslim radicals crashed planes into buildings; declaring jihad. Yet, despite some Americans to this very day wanting to hold all of Islam responsible for it, cooler heads have prevailed thus far. And we have chosen to not include all Muslims as enemies of the state. Which is how I interpreted the stadium event in the film. It is a 9/11 moment in that comic universe's U.S..

I agree with Zeze. If nothing else, the mutants actions proves how dangerous they are. Sure, this time things turned out "okay", but what about in future?

It would prove to the humans that currently they are no match for mutants. Suppose Magneto comes back and the humans are not around?

It was an extremely public demonstration of Mutant power, one that would cause a lot more paranoia, not less.

Do you think the average American would know or care about the difference between Magneto and Xavier? To them they would both be mutants and therefore potential terrorists.

The other problem I had with DOFP is the time travel logic. I don't see the need for whatshername to have to maintain the connection with Wolverine. As soon as she sends him back, the future should have changed instantly.

 

[TheELF]

The other problem I had with DOFP is the time travel logic. I don't see the need for whatshername to have to maintain the connection with Wolverine. As soon as she sends him back, the future should have changed instantly.

She is not sending him back physically, that would mean there would be no wolverine body in the present,she allows the present consciousness of wolverine to control his past body,she only sends back the mind and only for as long as she is actively doing so.

 

[Ancalagon44]

She is not sending him back physically, that would mean there would be no wolverine body in the present,she allows the present consciousness of wolverine to control his past body,she only sends back the mind and only for as long as she is actively doing so.

I know, but think about this, as far as the future X Men are concerned, everything in the past has already happened. Which means that, as soon as Wolverine's consciousness goes back to the past, the effects of his actions will be instantaneous as far as the future X-Men are concerned. They don't need to wait for his actions, he has already done them, they are all in the past.

It was just a gimmick to add "tension" but I didn't find it believable.

 

[TheELF]

They don't need to wait for his actions, he has already done them, they are all in the past.

It was just a gimmick to add "tension" but I didn't find it believable.

If he had already done them there would be no reason to send him back in the first place,logan has to control his past self until he does everything necessary to change the course of history,only at that point the future get's changed instantly.
Otherwise past logan would go straight back to shagging the nice bosses-wife lady.

 

[Ancalagon44]

No, the action of sending him back initiates the change. From the point of view of the future, the change is instantaneous because it already occurred.

Think about time travel in literally every single other movie. In Terminator, they don't have to wait for the Terminator to either succeed or fail. In Back to the Future 2, Biff changes the future 1985, and the change is instantaneous and unnoticeable to everyone in 1985.

What would happen in this case is that the instant Wolverine awoke in the past, the future would change. Kitty would not need to maintain the connection.

 

[sportage]

I'm not really into these X-Men movies but since I was out voted on the last one and had to painfully sit through it, I gave in on this one expecting a little more.
So much for that idea....
This was a hodge podge of a mess.
And I never will understand these films, they use a plenty of super powers but eventually fall back to the old fist to face attack.
If you can't win using fire eyes or mind control or lightening daggers, tell me how a fist punch to the face is going to make any difference?
If the villain survives old fire eyes, I doubt kicking the villain butt would do anything except piss off old concrete face big time.

I have to admit, the special effects in these films are getting really impressive.
Just too bad they can't come up with a decent story line to go with all those bing bang boom special effects.
The studios might want to consider budgeting a few bucks on creative writing and a intelligent story line.
Man does not live by bing bang boom alone....

 

[TheELF]

No, the action of sending him back initiates the change. From the point of view of the future, the change is instantaneous because it already occurred.

Think about time travel in literally every single other movie. In Terminator, they don't have to wait for the Terminator to either succeed or fail. In Back to the Future 2, Biff changes the future 1985, and the change is instantaneous and unnoticeable to everyone in 1985.

What would happen in this case is that the instant Wolverine awoke in the past, the future would change. Kitty would not need to maintain the connection.

Dude we already covered that,they do not send him back,it's not like any other film were the future body is present in the past,it's not even like quantum leap where the mind is "fixed" to a body over a period of time.
The have to "remote control" logan's past body for the duration,logan of the past is not on board with the plan and will abandon it the moment the remote controlling stops,thus not changing the future enough.

"Bad future" is changed constantly and the change is instantaneous as soon as they send him back but that change would be confined to logan having had a weird flashback some time when he was shagging the nice bosses-wife lady, that would be the whole extend of the instantaneous change.

 

[TeeJay1952]

I have to admit, the special effects in these films are getting really impressive.
Just too bad they can't come up with a decent story line to go with all those bing bang boom special effects.
The studios might want to consider budgeting a few bucks on creative writing and a intelligent story line.
Man does not live by bing bang boom alone....

The better comics and movies develop character first then powers.
Jessica Jones, Daredevil Toby's Spiderman, Iron Man all made you care before you stare.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I agree with Zeze. If nothing else, the mutants actions proves how dangerous they are. Sure, this time things turned out "okay", but what about in future?

It would prove to the humans that currently they are no match for mutants. Suppose Magneto comes back and the humans are not around?

It was an extremely public demonstration of Mutant power, one that would cause a lot more paranoia, not less.

Do you think the average American would know or care about the difference between Magneto and Xavier? To them they would both be mutants and therefore potential terrorists.

The other problem I had with DOFP is the time travel logic. I don't see the need for whatshername to have to maintain the connection with Wolverine. As soon as she sends him back, the future should have changed instantly.

To clarify: The result is that it stops a future timeline where humans execute a "final solution" to mutants. And we get a timeline where all of the issues you point out are dealt with less drastically. That is why the ending works for me. Cancelling the Sentinel program and stopping Trask were paramount. The fallout, whatever it proved to be, was almost certainly a better alternative,

 

[Ancalagon44]

To clarify: The result is that it stops a future timeline where humans execute a "final solution" to mutants. And we get a timeline where all of the issues you point out are dealt with less drastically. That is why the ending works for me. Cancelling the Sentinel program and stopping Trask were paramount. The fallout, whatever it proved to be, was almost certainly a better alternative,

But why would it cancel the Sentinel program?

They proved to everyone just how dangerous mutants are, and the need for the program in the first place. If anything, nearly killing the President is worse than what Mystique originally did, which was to assassinate Trask.

Every single politician in the USA would now be saying, "They took the White House like it was a piece of cake, and there was not a thing we could do against them. We need weapons to protect ourselves."

Can you imagine any world government depending on an unregistered, unmonitored and untrained force composed of dangerous individuals for protection from another force composed of yet more dangerous individuals? They would want protection under their own control, which is what they thought the Sentinels were.

EDIT: Let's put it this way. The USA has fought many enemies in the past, from the Communists to Al Qaeda to ISIS. Can you imagine the USA ever depending upon another group that it has no control over, to win the fight? The USA does control private military companies to a degree, but it would have no control whatsoever over the X-Men. That would be unacceptable to any government.

 

[pete6032]

Saw it yesterday, was not expecting much after reading the reviews but I really liked it. Yes there are plot holes, but I thought the character development was good, and so was the screenplay where the mutants had to make tough decisions.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

But why would it cancel the Sentinel program?

1. Because they were turned against the government immediately. From the first prototype. That is a really good reason to not trust the tech 2. The man that developed them is a traitor to the country. 3. Congress did not want to fund him to start, and after events in the bunker no one including Dick was going to trust or fund that company again. And without Trask at the helm, the company was doomed.

 

[clamum]

this contains spoilers

you were warned

X-MEN: APOCALYPSE Review: A Fiasco That Dares Taint Oscar Isaac

This terrible franchise now has a new low point.

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/05/27/x-men-apocalypse-review-a-fiasco-that-dares-taint-oscar-isaac

Apparently that guy didn't like it. I lol'd at this though:

There’s a scene where, after Apocalpse is awoken from his millennia-long slumber, he puts his hand on a TV. “What are you doing?” Storm asks him, and he hisses, long and slow, “Leaaaaarrrrrnnnnnnnning” and at that point I was like, oh we are FUCKED.