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X-FI I/O Module

Welcome to AT. Does your receiver not have Digital Coaxial?

Are you aware of the limitations of a digital connection?
 
Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Welcome to AT. Does your receiver not have Digital Coaxial?

Are you aware of the limitations of a digital connection?

We need to have a link to a voice recording of someone saying:

"Are you aware of the limitations of a digital connection?"

In a interrogating tone of voice.

Don't ask me why...but its guaranteed to be awesome.
 
🙂 true

So many people get confused by the fact that the digital connection on Creative cards will only output pre-encided DVD 5.1 surround, not also do live 5.1 digital encoding of game audio.

It doesn't help that Creative marketing hypes up the analog 7.1 output for games (which is the best consumer analog output), then the DVD 5.1 digital output, but neglects to mention that the two are unrelated and incompatible.
 
I'm just looking for a simple way to hook up my PC to my home setup. I'm not worried about getting 5.1 and all that I just want it for the occasional movie I'm too lazy to burn, emulators, etc.. I had a splitter last time and it was pretty ****** so this looked like a better choice and not as messy.



Originally posted by: PurdueRy
Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Welcome to AT. Does your receiver not have Digital Coaxial?

Are you aware of the limitations of a digital connection?

We need to have a link to a voice recording of someone saying:

"Are you aware of the limitations of a digital connection?"

In a interrogating tone of voice.

Don't ask me why...but its guaranteed to be awesome.

lol
 
Now someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you can configure the flexi-jack (or whatever it's called) to output a digital coaxial signal without that I/O device.

I just get worried when I see someone wanting to hook up an X-Fi digitally since it basically negates every reason to spend that much on the card. You don't get the good analog output performance and don't get the EAX surround sound for games.

You're basically having the X-Fi do the same job a $30 Chaintech AV-710 could do just as well (and that one comes with optical output already)
 
Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Now someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you can configure the flexi-jack (or whatever it's called) to output a digital coaxial signal without that I/O device.

I just get worried when I see someone wanting to hook up an X-Fi digitally since it basically negates every reason to spend that much on the card. You don't get the good analog output performance and don't get the EAX surround sound for games.

You're basically having the X-Fi do the same job a $30 Chaintech AV-710 could do just as well (and that one comes with optical output already)

Not so. That has a host based controller (low-end of the Envy24 series) which is incapable of producing the effects of an Audigy, let alone X-Fi. Moreover, those effects are not dependent upon more than 2ch output due to excellent HRTF and matrixed surround capability. Ergo, a modern game with with OpenAL, EAX5, 128 voices, etc. sounds worlds better in 2ch (PCM) on an X-Fi than with rudimentary effects in 4ch+ on anything else.

Creative cards have S/PDIF output on external jacks (coaxial) and internal pins. There is no particular advantage to using optical unless a ground loop makes electrical isolation desirable or the receiver has no free coaxial inputs (and they cannot be otherwise swapped with other devices). Indeed, coaxial cable is cheap, can be used in long runs without concern for sharp angles, is easily modified and may employ any number of adapters for different plug sizes or elbow connectors, etc.

A more flexible option than the SB I/O module is any ol' mobo audio bracket since it can be connected to the card's internal pins and therefore allow simulataneous use of the Mic input (Flexi-Jack). The coaxial-only variety are more common but those with both coaxial and optical can be found if you don't already have one. In any case it is a simple matter of matching up the wires.
 
Originally posted by: Auric
Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Now someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you can configure the flexi-jack (or whatever it's called) to output a digital coaxial signal without that I/O device.

I just get worried when I see someone wanting to hook up an X-Fi digitally since it basically negates every reason to spend that much on the card. You don't get the good analog output performance and don't get the EAX surround sound for games.

You're basically having the X-Fi do the same job a $30 Chaintech AV-710 could do just as well (and that one comes with optical output already)

Not so. That has a host based controller (low-end of the Envy24 series) which is incapable of producing the effects of an Audigy, let alone X-Fi. Moreover, those effects are not dependent upon more than 2ch output due to excellent HRTF and matrixed surround capability. Ergo, a modern game with with OpenAL, EAX5, 128 voices, etc. sounds worlds better in 2ch (PCM) on an X-Fi than with rudimentary effects in 4ch+ on anything else.

Creative cards have S/PDIF output on external jacks (coaxial) and internal pins. There is no particular advantage to using optical unless a ground loop makes electrical isolation desirable or the receiver has no free coaxial inputs (and they cannot be otherwise swapped with other devices). Indeed, coaxial cable is cheap, can be used in long runs without concern for sharp angles, is easily modified and may employ any number of adapters for different plug sizes or elbow connectors, etc.

A more flexible option than the SB I/O module is any ol' mobo audio bracket since it can be connected to the card's internal pins and therefore allow simulataneous use of the Mic input (Flexi-Jack). The coaxial-only variety are more common but those with both coaxial and optical can be found if you don't already have one. In any case it is a simple matter of matching up the wires.

But he said "I just want it for the occasional movie I'm too lazy to burn, emulators, etc.."

Sounds like he's just going to use it for SPDIF passthrough for movies. I'm not sure on emulators, but when he said he didn't care about 5.1 I thought he would just be using unaltered PCM stereo for most sources that weren't pre-encoded with DD/DTS.

Based on his usage he stated, I didn't think he was going to be having source material that would benefit much from the effects the X-Fi is capable of.

I think you'd agree that the vast majority of people that ask questions about hooking up their X-Fi via digital have no idea that they are going to be giving up their surround sound in the process. I said he was giving up "EAX surround sound for games", not EAX all together.
 
Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello

I think you'd agree that the vast majority of people that ask questions about hooking up their X-Fi via digital have no idea that they are going to be giving up their surround sound in the process. I said he was giving up "EAX surround sound for games", not EAX all together.

I'm hep to that. Though with CMSS-3D (or any such DSP effects), you still get mock surround which may be preferable to actual 4ch+ surround, especially in the case of headphones and since the digital is preferable for movies with a decent receiver nothing is necessarily lost by eschewing analog. It just depends how you use it and the all the options remain with an X-Fi, unlike with other cards which lack them in the first place.
 
Yeah, I just want people to be aware that they are giving up something. I think most people see "digital" and think it's better in all cases.
 
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