WWIII posts all over Facebook because Iran but i think it's within the realm of possibility that Trump will launch Nukes if he loses the 2020 election

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Vic

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Holy smokes. TDS is reaching new heights. Progressheviks are losing their minds because Trump dare stand up to Iran, China, Russia, and North Korea.
The US military could easily crush any of those. That's not in question. So it doesn't take a big man to stand up for what everyone already knows, especially when it's our brave military, and not the President, that'll be doing the real standing up.
Or are you under the delusion that Trump would be doing any of the fighting? No doubt that seems real within your cult of personality.
 

Starbuck1975

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No, we're condemning the guy stupid enough to go against the will of people who knew better (you know, the experts)and get us into a possible quagmire in the ME.
We’re already neck deep in the quagmire. The President needs to produce justification for escalating things in taking out a powerful architect of said quagmire.
 

soundforbjt

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We’re already neck deep in the quagmire. The President needs to produce justification for escalating things in taking out a powerful architect of said quagmire.
He's already stated his lies, I mean reasons and there's no one to dispute it that his supporters will listen to.
 
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Vic

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We’re already neck deep in the quagmire. The President needs to produce justification for escalating things in taking out a powerful architect of said quagmire.
Whoa, you come up with this one all on your own or was it just on Fox & Friends?
 
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pcgeek11

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No, we're condemning the guy stupid enough to go against the will of people who knew better (you know, the experts)and get us into a possible quagmire in the ME.


We have been in the quagmire for quite some time already...

I hope Iraq does kick us out and we leave them to their troubles...
 

TheVrolok

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We have been in the quagmire for quite some time already...

I hope Iraq does kick us out and we leave them to their troubles...
Definitely, since there's no chance leaving them to their own devices could have any impact on us. Nothing like further destabilizing a region and bailing. How short sighted, and ignorant of history, can you possibly be?
 

JEDIYoda

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Definitely, since there's no chance leaving them to their own devices could have any impact on us. Nothing like further destabilizing a region and bailing. How short sighted, and ignorant of history, can you possibly be?
Ask your daddy Donny! he was the one who pledged to remove all troops from the Middle east!!
 

pcgeek11

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Definitely, since there's no chance leaving them to their own devices could have any impact on us. Nothing like further destabilizing a region and bailing. How short sighted, and ignorant of history, can you possibly be?


It isn't bailing when they kick you out.

We need to leave the middle east alone and allow them to sort out their own issues as we should have done all along.
 

TheVrolok

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Ask your daddy Donny! he was the one who pledged to remove all troops from the Middle east!!
And not start new wars. All the references to Trump claiming Obama would start a war with Iran to win reelection are beyond self-explanatory. His supporters are still brainwashed enough to fall for it.
 

pcgeek11

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lol. A little late for non intervention don't you think? Not to mention how naive a position that is.


What good has it done for us to remain?
Do you think we should stay in the middle east and continue meddling in their business?
 

TheVrolok

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What good has it done for us to remain?
Do you think we should stay in the middle east and continue meddling in their business?
Why ask a logically dubious question? It's impossible to prove things didn't happen, of course. That said, there has been some additional stability in the region.

Yes, unfortunately, I do think we continue to meddle. N degree of meddling is relative and contextual, but "leaving them alone to figure it out" is just ignorant.
 
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trenchfoot

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If Trump can goad the Iranians into playing this stupid self-interested game of his, then the Iranians deserve to get whatever Trump needs to do to them in order to get re-elected.

Hopefully a response from the Iranians that Trump can't use to escalate this situation any further would be beneficial to all concerned except for Trump of course.

edit- If the Iranians really want to hurt Trump they'd fashion their response in a way that seriously hurts Trump's chances of getting reelected. It's common knowledge that Trump is facing serious legal troubles should he not get to keep his residency in the White House.
 

JEDIYoda

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If Trump can goad the Iranians into playing this stupid self-interested game of his, then the Iranians deserve to get whatever Trump needs to do to them in order to get re-elected.

Hopefully a response from the Iranians that Trump can't use to escalate this situation any further would be beneficial to all concerned except for Trump of course.

edit- If the Iranians really want to hurt Trump they'd fashion their response in a way that seriously hurts Trump's chances of getting reelected. It's common knowledge that Trump is facing serious legal troubles should he not get to keep his residency in the White House.
How?? Perhaps a terrorist attack in our soil??
 

pcgeek11

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Why ask a logically dubious question? It's impossible to prove things didn't happen, of course. That said, there has been some additional stability in the region.

Yes, unfortunately, I do think we continue to meddle. N degree of meddling is relative and contextual, but "leaving them alone to figure it out" is just ignorant.

I disagree. The middle east has never been stable.

Why is leaving them to Their Own Business to figure it out ignorant? It isn't any of our business to tell them how to handle their own. Either they will figure it out or they will continue to stab each other in the back as they always have.
 
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TheVrolok

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I disagree. The middle east has never been stable.

Why is leaving them to Their Own Business to figure it out ignorant? It isn't any of our business to tell them how to handle their own. Either they will figure it out or they will continue to stab each other in the back as they always have.

Who said it "was stable?" Are you collecting straw?

It's ignorant because they don't exist in isolation. Discord within these countries leads to discord outside of them and that affects our interests. We have to protect our interests abroad, particularly when some of the issue is combating radicalism that could end up locally.
 

trenchfoot

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How?? Perhaps a terrorist attack in our soil??


Well the Iranians have the ball in their court with a multitude of options to pick from. Surely some kind of response can be fashioned by them whereby they somewhat satisfy their people's thirst for reciprocity while denying Trump his ability to justify escalating the situation into something that's favorable to his being reelected IF that's what they (Iranians) want to do.

edit - Time is on the Iranian's side. They can choose where, when and how they want to get even with Trump. If I were them, I'd let Trump sweat and sweat and sweat it out for months on end before taking revenge on him.
 
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JSt0rm

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I disagree. The middle east has never been stable.

Why is leaving them to Their Own Business to figure it out ignorant? It isn't any of our business to tell them how to handle their own. Either they will figure it out or they will continue to stab each other in the back as they always have.

so then you dont agree with trump on the strike?
 

pcgeek11

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so then you dont agree with trump on the strike?


No, I didn't say that at all. Soleimani is ( was ) an evil that should have been taken out years ago. If he had been there would be many innocents walking the earth that were butchered by him.

Iran has been escalating and upping the ante over the last year. You can't keep pocking the tiger and think nothing is going to happen. I was surprised when it did happen however. Soleimani had grown cocky with his perceived invincibility and it has come home to roost unfortunately for him. Killing US Citizens and attacking the US Embassy in Iraq were his final undoing. Good he is gone regardless of who ordered it or executed it.
 

pcgeek11

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Who said it "was stable?" Are you collecting straw?

It's ignorant because they don't exist in isolation. Discord within these countries leads to discord outside of them and that affects our interests. We have to protect our interests abroad, particularly when some of the issue is combating radicalism that could end up locally.

You brought up stability. " That said, there has been some additional stability in the region. "

How long should we keep our troops in Iraq and the Middle East? They don't want us in their business.

How much abuse should our citizens in Iraq take from Iran and their paid terrorist groups?

Should we just sit back and take it?
 

JSt0rm

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No, I didn't say that at all. Soleimani is ( was ) an evil that should have been taken out years ago. If he had been there would be many innocents walking the earth that were butchered by him.

Iran has been escalating and upping the ante over the last year. You can't keep pocking the tiger and think nothing is going to happen. I was surprised when it did happen however. Soleimani had grown cocky with his perceived invincibility and it has come home to roost unfortunately for him. Killing US Citizens and attacking the US Embassy in Iraq were his final undoing. Good he is gone regardless of who ordered it or executed it.

so you do think troops should be in the middle east?
 
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sandorski

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Trump is the type of guy who makes you wish you had taken away his Power when you had the chance.