WWII: Lets save the Jews from genocide by relocating them to Arab central. WTF?

[peonyu]

PROPHET MUHAMMAD'S TREATY WITH JEWS (622 C.E.)





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Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) decided to leave Mecca because the Meccan chiefs had taken action to kill him at his home. It was the year 622 CE. As far the choice of migrating to Medina (known as Yathrib at that time), the decision was made easier by the second ‘Pledge of Aqaba’ made a year before on the occasion of the annual rites of pilgrimage. The pledge was made by seventy three men and two women of Khazraj and Aws communities of Medina. They had accepted Islam and wanted to invite the Prophet to migrate to Medina. Their motivation for this move, apart from recognizing him as the Prophet, the trustworthy, and the best in conduct in Mecca, was to bring peace and security between the Khazraj and Aws. They were often at war with each other and the Battle of Bu'ath had shattered their strength completely. They desperately needed a leader who could be trusted by both communities and bring peace in Medina. As part of the pledge, they were to protect the Prophet as they would protect their women and children if he were attacked by the Meccans.

Among the people in Medina, there was a small community (three tribes) of Jews with Arab communities constituting the majority of the population. Because of wars going on for several generations, the resources of the Arabs were depleted and their influence in Medina was dwindling. The Jews were traders and many of them used to lend money at exorbitant interest. The continuing wars boosted their economy and personal wealth.

The immediate result of the Prophet’s migration to Medina was peace and unity between the communities of Aws and Khazraj. The Prophet, motivated by the general welfare of citizens of Medina, decided to offer his services to the remaining communities including the Jews. He had already laid down the basis for relationship between the Emigrants from Mecca (known as Muhajirin) and Medinites (known as the Ansar, the helpers).

The Treaty between Muslims, non-Muslim Arabs and Jews of Medina was put in writing and ratified by all parties. It has been preserved by the historians. The document referred Muhammad (pbuh) as the Prophet and Messenger of God but it was understood that the Jews did not have to recognize him as such for their own religious reasons. The major parts of the document were:


“In the name of Allah (The One True God) the Compassionate, the Merciful. This is a document from Muhammad, the Prophet, governing the relation between the Believers from among the Qurayshites (i.e., Emigrants from Mecca) and Yathribites (i.e., the residents of Medina) and those who followed them and joined them and strived with them. They form one and the same community as against the rest of men.
“No Believer shall oppose the client of another Believer. Whosoever is rebellious, or seeks to spread injustice, enmity or sedition among the Believers, the hand of every man shall be against him, even if he be a son of one of them. A Believer shall not kill a Believer in retaliation of an unbeliever, nor shall he help an unbeliever against a Believer.

“Whosoever among the Jews follows us shall have help and equality; they shall not be injured nor shall any enemy be aided against them.... No separate peace will be made when the Believers are fighting in the way of Allah.... The Believers shall avenge the blood of one another shed in the way of Allah ....Whosoever kills a Believer wrongfully shall be liable to retaliation; all the Believers shall be against him as one man and they are bound to take action against him.

“The Jews shall contribute (to the cost of war) with the Believers so long as they are at war with a common enemy. The Jews of Banu Najjar, Banu al-Harith, Banu Sa'idah, Banu Jusham, Banu al-Aws, Banu Tha'labah, Jafnah, and Banu al-Shutaybah enjoy the same rights and priviledges as the Jews of Banu Aws.

“The Jews shall maintain their own religion and the Muslims theirs. Loyalty is a protection against treachery. The close friends of Jews are as themselves. None of them shall go out on a military expedition except with the permission of Muhammad, but he shall not be prevented from taking revenge for a wound.

“The Jews shall be responsible for their expenses and the Believers for theirs. Each, if attacked, shall come to the assistance of the other.

“The valley of Yathrib (Medina) shall be sacred and inviolable for all that join this Treaty. Strangers, under protection, shall be treated on the same ground as their protectors; but no stranger shall be taken under protection except with consent of his tribe....No woman shall be taken under protection without the consent of her family.

Whatever difference or dispute between the parties to this covenant remains unsolved shall be referred to Allah and to Muhammad, the Messenger of Allah. Allah is the Guarantor of the piety and goodness that is embodied in this covenant. Neither the Quraysh nor their allies shall be given any protection.

“The contracting parties are bound to help one another against any attack on Yathrib. If they are called to cease hostilities and to enter into peace, they shall be bound to do so in the interest of peace; and if they make a similar demand on Muslims it must be carried out except when the war is agianst their religion.

“Allah approves the truth and goodwill of this covenant. This treaty shall not protect the unjust or the criminal. Whoever goes out to fight as well as whoever stays at home shall be safe and secure in this city unless he has perpetrated an injustice or commited a crime.... Allah is the protector of the good and God-fearing people.”

The first written constitution of a State ever promulgated by a sovereign in human history emanated from the Prophet of Islam. It was enacted from the first year of Hijrah (622 CE). The treaty stipulated a city state in Medina, allowing wide autonomy to communities. Private justice was to be banished. The head of the State had the prerogative to decide who should participate in an expedition, the war and peace being indivisible. Social insurance was to be instituted.










The name Yathrib was changed to Medinat-un-Nabawi, meaning the 'City of the Prophet' soon after he migrated there. The use of only the first word in that name (i.e., Medinah) became popular later.

Muhammed became more outright militant in his mannerisms the more his power grew. He tore up pretty much every treaty he ever made with non-muslims once he had established himself in Medina and Mecca. So those are likely the early Hadiths.

The later Hadiths he made [once he had full power in the region], included such peacefull passages as -

“Slay the idolators [non-Muslims] wherever ye find them, and take them captive, and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the last Day…. Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! (Sura 9:5,29,41).


Sura 5:51: “O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he among you that turns to them for friendship is of them.” This friendship makes any Muslim a enemy of their own and deserving of the same fate as the unbeliever. This is because God does not guide an unjust people."

Comparing Muhammed's early quotes on Jews and Christians and how to treat them to his later quotes when he had total power [by force converting whole regions and killing anyone who refuses] is quite telling. He was a madman.

And every individual of those Jewish tribes listed, were each killed under Muhammed's instructions at a later date a few years after he made those treaties.

 

[peonyu]

Seriously, plenty of other discriminated religious groups have relocated to and prospered in the new world. I am Jewish, and I think Zionism is a very dangerous gamble in the long term. The strength of Jewish people has always been the worldwide distributed diaspora, not concentration in one area, sort of like the internet. But if you are going to concentrate them in one area, smack in the middle of a hostile Arab world is probably not the place to do it.

The biggest threat to Israeli Jews is the womb. Yes the womb. Jewish birthrates overall are low, and Israeli Jewish birthrates are just a tad above replacement. The Israeli Arabs and Palestinians on the other hand...Have huge families. Arab Israelis double thier numbers every 25 years, the Palestinians every 15 years [they have the highest growth rate in the world]. So Israel is facing a ticking time bomb since they are a Democracy and are also not breeding like rabbits to keep pace with the Palestinians. Given enough time and Arabs will be a majority in Israel...If it wernt for the low birth rate among Jews then Israel would have a solid future but it doesnt right now.

 

[sandorski]

At the time, everyone said, "What could possibly go wrong?"

 

[Oric]

Used? As if the Arabs had any great love for the Turks to begin with at all. Also the British and French didn't stay in the Middle-East as long as the Turks (Several hundred years) and in the end the British and French actually did relinquished control and left. If it were not for WW1 the Turks would still be occupying a lot of Arab turf.

Every historian agrees that between 1517 (battle of mercidabik) - 1917 (WW I)middle east had its most peaceful time zone. Ottoman empire gave asylum to sephardic jews fleeing from spanish inquisition in 16th century, Turkey gave asylum to jews from Nazis in WWII so I refuse to accept that there was much hatred between the Muslims (at least on a normal scale you would probably see in those time periods) and the Jews up until the foundation of Israel.

 

[dainthomas]

We should have given them Utah and sent the Mormons to the Middle East.

This.

 

[Genx87]

Every historian agrees that between 1517 (battle of mercidabik) - 1917 (WW I)middle east had its most peaceful time zone. Ottoman empire gave asylum to sephardic jews fleeing from spanish inquisition in 16th century, Turkey gave asylum to jews from Nazis in WWII so I refuse to accept that there was much hatred between the Muslims (at least on a normal scale you would probably see in those time periods) and the Jews up until the foundation of Israel.

Arab nationalism inspired and supported by the Nazis in the 1930s really got the ball rolling. With the rise of anti-jewish sentiment in Europe an influx of Jews came into the region. Where Jews were once a small minority in British occupied Palastine in the 20s they became 30% of the population by the late 30s. Arab nationalists still pissed at what the allies did to them post WWI and seeing the writing on the wall started to oppose the influx of Jews at the discretion of the Brits. There were times in the late 20s and 30s they fought the British. Nazi's seeing an opportunity to utilize an Arab uprising against the British funded and helped these nationalists. One of the most prominent arab nationalist was the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Mohammad Amin al-Husayni. This guy helped raise the Muslim Waffen SS 13th Handschar division which comitted atrocities against Christian Serbs in 1944. And then he was a general pain in the ass to Israel and Arab countries through the 50s.

So while there may have been relative peace before the creation of Israel. The two sides were clearly on a path to destruction 2 decades before 1948. And the ties to Nazism is quite fascinating. The baath party's founding had ties to the Nazis regime and even modeled itself after it in many ways.

 

[brownzilla786]

Jews had might rights in christian europe than in muslim-conquered europe.

actually, the allies royally supported the arabs, and royally fucked the jews.

the arabs supported the nazis well before the french and british mandate started rolling.

and the massacre of jews in morroco, syria, palestine, french lebanon, british egypt, etc....ignored.

not to mention the millions of jews who could have been saved but were denied access to palestine because of the racist arabs.

edit: and notice how jews cannot buy land in the the arab world.

a land 4x the size of israel stolen by the arab tribes, 1,000,000 expelled from their homeland.

germany paid 80 billion to compensate for its role in the holocaust, the arab states deny it and wage genocidal war against israel and its allies.

White paper of 1939...was it not the BRITISH who sent back illegal jewish immigrants? I know you love to froth at the mouth when you mention Arabs but to blame Arabs alone is pretty stupid.

 

[kylebisme]

Most of his and and others attempts to blame Arabs here are pretty detached from reality, but it would take hours to refute it all and they obviously have no interest in reality anyway.