WWATD - Brother is Dropping the Ball with My Father

Sho'Nuff

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So as some of you know my father decided last year to relocate back to the United States at the ripe old age of 80. His decision was predicated on an invitation from my brother and I to come back to the states. Prior to inviting my father back, my brother and I decided that my father would split time between our households, living part of the year with me and my family, and part of the year with my brother.

My father took us up on the invitation, and relocated to the states in the middle of last year. For the ensuing 8 months he stayed with me, during which time it became eminently apparent that my father would require quite a bit of care (as most 80 year olds would). While I am sure my wife and I did not fulfull his every desire, we did take care of him quite well in my opinion.

That being said, about 3 months ago my father flew down to another state to begin his stay with my brother. During that time I have spoken regularly with my father over the phone, and I have been very surprised to hear about how my brother is treating him. To make a long story short, my brother is treating him like a pet. He doesn't take my father out of the house except to go grocery shopping once a week (for a about 15 minutes). He doesn;t make sure there is food in the house for my father to eat (my father cannot get it himself because he has no car and my brother's house is in the sticks), etc. As a result, my father is spending enormous amounts of time alone in my brothers house, with no one checking on him or even talking to him. As a result my father has started to show signs of depression.

Last weekend I finally got fed up, called my brother, and screamed at him over the phone that he needs to take better care of our father. He was outraged that I was so upset, arguing that he "had to work" etc., to which I responded that he needed to put my father's needs above his own on occasion. My brother (who is 41, has no kids, and has never had to care for anyone but himself) simply cannot seem to understand this concept.

Anyway, I am contemplating relocating my father back to my house permanently, which (obviously) would be hard (in some ways) on my family and would clearly be a material change in the agreement between my brother and I. But I am at a loss as to what to do otherwise. My brother seems to be dropping the ball big time with respect to our father, and to my father's detriment.

So what say you ATOT? Am I overreacting or under reacting? And what would you do in this situation?

Cliffs-
-OP's father relocated to the states on invitation by OP and OP's brother
-OP's and OP's brother agreed to mutually support father by housing him part time at their respective homes
-OP housed father for 8 months, did well. Took care of father's basic needs. Integrated him into family, etc.
-OP's brother is acting like a selfish nitwit and is treating father like a pet. Leaving him home alone for long stretches without checking on him, not taking him out of the house, etc.
-Father is starting to show signs of depression
-OP is pissed and screamed at brother, wants to know if he under reacted or over reacted, and if he should relocate father back to his (OP's) house.
 

Newell Steamer

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Last weekend I finally got fed up, called my brother, and screamed at him over the phone that he needs to take better care of our father. He was outraged that I was so upset, arguing that he "had to work" etc., to which I responded that he needed to put my father's needs above his own on occasion. My brother (who is 41, has no kids, and has never had to care for anyone but himself) simply cannot seem to understand this concept.

You won't get to change the habits and mindset of a 41 year old man. My suggestion, is to take your father into your own home and accept support from your brother when/if needed.
 

z1ggy

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You bro sounds like a dick. Tell him to sack up and take care of your damn Dad.
 

Phoenix86

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At that age a retirement center might be an option, but I think you didn't bring that up for a reason. Your brother isn't likely to change, seems moving him home with you is the best bet.
 

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You won't get to change the habits and mindset of a 41 year old man. My suggestion, is to take your father into your own home and accept support from your brother when/if needed.

Have to agree with this as well. You're more likely to be able to get him to maybe contribute a few bucks. Beyond that you're likely banging your head against a wall.
 

Gooberlx2

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You won't get to change the habits and mindset of a 41 year old man. My suggestion, is to take your father into your own home and accept support from your brother when/if needed.

Agreed. Your brother isn't going to change now. He may have underestimated what it takes to care for a family member....or he may have never really wanted to do it, or knew he wasn't up to the task, but relented because he didn't want to be the "bad son".

Take your father back (if all parties agree), and accept financial help and visits from your brother.
 

Chapbass

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Agreed. Your brother isn't going to change now. He may have underestimated what it takes to care for a family member....or he may have never really wanted to do it, or knew he wasn't up to the task, but relented because he didn't want to be the "bad son".

Take your father back (if all parties agree), and accept financial help and visits from your brother.

Agreed. If your brother is 41 with no family, he should have some extra cash. He can help pay for things, but he seems unwilling or incapable of actually taking care of your dad.
 
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I have taken care of my mother and father in their older years.

I'll just say it like this, I wouldn't take your father's word as the be all end all.

I wouldn't be surprised if he told your brother he was treated poorly at your place.

It can be VERY difficult to care for an elderly person, and he could easily live to be 90-95, so keep htat in mind.

It's not your brother's responsibility to entertain 80 year old dad, even if the house is in the boonies. The fact that your father 'blames' your brother like this is not a great sign.

It's a tough situation with very difficult decisions. You and your brother need to work together.

But most of all, your dad cannot be emotionally dependent on either of you for his sole entertainment.


Good luck.
 

SheHateMe

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TBH, I probably wouldn't be the best caregiver for an older person either. At 80 years old, you are responsible for making sure he has food, clothes, utilities, and activities...

Some people are just used to taking care of themselves, it doesn't necessarily make them good or bad. I know that if I took someone into my home, my expectation is that they wouldn't be relying on me for anything other than paying my portion of whatever bills we have.

Maybe you guys should consider just footing the bill to have him live in a retirement community... I would avoid a nursing home. If he is in good health. Let him get a 1 bedroom apartment in a retirement community. They will look in on him and everything and he'd have access to activities and shuttles to take him shopping for food and clothes.
 
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Gooberlx2

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I have taken care of my mother and father in their older years.

I'll just say it like this, I wouldn't take your father's word as the be all end all.

I wouldn't be surprised if he told your brother he was treated poorly at your place.

It can be VERY difficult to care for an elderly person, and he could easily live to be 90-95, so keep htat in mind.

It's not your brother's responsibility to entertain 80 year old dad, even if the house is in the boonies. The fact that your father 'blames' your brother like this is not a great sign.

It's a tough situation with very difficult decisions. You and your brother need to work together.

But most of all, your dad cannot be emotionally dependent on either of you for his sole entertainment.


Good luck.

These are all good points. I've seen a bit of each happen in my wife's family. Each side gets a different story from the elder. Sometimes the transition is still underway (brother working to finish projects in order to have adequate free time?), and people being too co-dependent and/or controlling.
 
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GasX

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He lives in the sticks and your dad doesn't drive. What is he supposed to do? Doesn't sound like your Dad is liking the do nothing all day alone lifestyle...

Your brother may not be stepping up to the plate, but there is only so much he can do any way...
 

Ns1

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Your brother may not be stepping up to the plate, but there is only so much he can do any way...

Providing food should be an automatic no brainer.
 

MongGrel

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It's a pretty tough thing to do.

I had relatives drop my Grandmother at my brothers house from up North after she said she was going to do that all her life and live with her sisters. They started being the same way at that age and they brought here back South and dumped her at my brothers after taking most things, I'm really not on good terms with a lot of my relatives.

He was about the same way, even worst to degrees.

He had a room mates girlfriend actually driving her to the bank at first and stole quite a bit of cash that she finally repaid half of back after not pressing charges on a cops interference, and her meds were off.

Found out later as we didn't press charges, she wasn't obligated to pay off the other half.

Got her into assisted living, fortunately my grandfather was a pretty highly decorated WWII vet, and after a 18 month fight with the Vet of Foreign Wars, (I won't even start on the red tape involved there) she's very happy where she is now.

I should go see her more, but my wife does almost every weekend, it took a bit of adjustment on her part at first, but she is very well taken care of medically and housing and food wise now, if I had left her at my brothers she would be dead now I'm sure.

These things are hard to take care of, I wish you the best of luck.

My mother was an only child, so was only my brother and myself and the wife to take care of her once my grandfather passed away, and my Mother was divorced long ago and died in a car accident two weeks before my graduation long ago.

Not writing to be a sob story on my part, but yeah taking care of these things is very difficult sometimes.

I even abbreviated a lot of it, but ya just take things day by day sometimes man.

:thumbsup:
 
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waffleironhead

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Trying to think from brothers point of view here. You may have caught your brother off guard. Could have been thinking that dad was content in the situation.

It sounds like your dad is being a passive participant in this whole thing. If dad is unhappy, why isn't dad talking to brother to fix the situation?
Hey son, I need more food!(I doubt there was no food, just not food he wanted to eat)
Hey son, I need to get out more!
 

alzan

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I don't think you over-reacted. Being the primary caregiver for aging parents is a huge emotional task; it hits home with me since I am in similar circumstances. For your own peace of mind and your father's emotional and physical health, I think you should be his primary caregiver.

Anecdotally I had an argument with my oldest brother over how committed I was to the emotional care and well-being of our mother. I've gotten past the issue but I don't consider it resolved. Despite having taken on the emotional and physical presence aspects of seeing to our mother's needs for the past five years, he felt that I "dropped the ball" in one circumstance and made it clear that in his opinion I wasn't living up to his level of commitment.
 

GasX

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Providing food should be an automatic no brainer.

well... duh

An isolated 80 year old alone all day in the middle of nowhere with no means of transport is going to be miserable regardless of diet...
 

Ns1

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well... duh

An isolated 80 year old alone all day in the middle of nowhere with no means of transport is going to be miserable regardless of diet...

OP could always give them a link to ATOT. because curmudgeons are exactly what this forum needs.
 

notposting

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OP could always give them a link to ATOT. because curmudgeons are exactly what this forum needs.

:D

As long as bro can provide food and an internet connection, porn and ATOT should take care of the boredom :sneaky:
 

Mayne

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Be thankful your parents didn't die in their early 50's like mine did.
 

_Rick_

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To make a long story short, my brother is treating him like a pet. He doesn't take my father out of the house except to go grocery shopping once a week (for a about 15 minutes). He doesn;t make sure there is food in the house for my father to eat (my father cannot get it himself because he has no car and my brother's house is in the sticks), etc. As a result, my father is spending enormous amounts of time alone in my brothers house, with no one checking on him or even talking to him. As a result my father has started to show signs of depression.

A single household isn't a great place to be. I'm not sure you can blame your brother very much for it, he has little experience with other people around, I assume, and thus is likely simply ill-prepared to deal with it.
With a work schedule, there isn't much he can do about daytime activities, especially if he lives outside town.

A house with a family and children is - for many - old people a much more welcoming place than a single household. Take this into account when making arrangements.
 

mrjminer

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It is unrealistic to expect that he's going to be a caregiver.

Get your brother to buy him some food and shit, chip in if you have to. Then, you guys should have a real conversation, possibly with your dad involved, about finding something he can do during the days. Finding other old people / old people gatherings he can hang out with / go to would be beneficial. Old people don't generally give a shit about not being able to take care of themselves after they realize that the same thing happens to everyone, they just have problems finding things to do with their time. Grouping old people with other old people seems to always benefit all the oldies involved most of the time. Fishing works for some. This sort of makes all of the old people involved feel like they're independent because they try to avoid showing weakness in front of the other old people -- and everyone is happy.

Living out in the sticks seems like the real issue to overcome, perhaps your brother can drop him off somewhere a couple of days a week on his way to work and swing by to pick him up on the way back? Not like 3 hours out of the way, but somewhere that might extend his trip to / from work an hour each way total seems reasonable since it's just a couple of days a week. Might give them the opportunity to encounter some other cool shit to do, as well.

I'd start from what your brother is willing to commit to doing after you give him some suggestions, then go from there.
 
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vailr

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What are the dad's finances like? What kind of weather did he have before re-locating? If affordable, I would agree that a DelWebb type of retirement community somewhere (Florida? Arizona?) would be the best solution. Lots of group activities for older folks, such as card games, shuffleboard, mini-golf, bowling, chaperoned trips to casinos, that kind of thing. Is he computer savvy at all?
Good luck.
 
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runzwithsizorz

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Something else to consider, how close is EMT, fire dept. , and hospitals to where your brother lives? We are not 80 yet, but fast approaching, and when we moved clear across the country, it was definitely a factor when we bought our new home. "I've fallen, and I can't get up"D: