WTH is going on with my mileage??? - UPDATED with more stumpage!!!

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I need help! Here's the deal:

I drive a 2001 Nissan Maxima SE with manual transmission. I've owned it since new, and it has 47,800 miles. It has had all scheduled maintenance, and is in excellent condition.

About 4 months ago, I got my second flat in short order on the stock Bridgestone Potenza RE92 tires (I have the optional 17" wheels, with 225/50-17 tires). The tires had always exhibited poor wet traction and a lot of noise, and since I was planning a cross-country drive I decided to replace them.

I bought Bridgestone Turanza LS-V tires, in the same size, based on positive reviews on tirerack.com. There are few tires available in my size, and I had also considered Michelin Pilot Sport A/Ss.

The Turanzas are a high-end "Grand Touring" tire, whereas the stock tires were a midrange "Sport" tire. The Turanzas have been a great improvement in terms of noise, ride, handling, and traction, but . . .

I used to get 23 MPG with mixed city/hwy driving. I now get 15-17 MPG.

I have taken the car in, and had an excellent local mechanic check it out. They checked the thermostat, O2 sensor and fuel delivery system, as well as plugging it into the diagnostic computer and checking the plugs. Everything checked out fine. The only oddity they noted was my Amsoil air filter - it is only 6 MO, but they recommended I try changing it out. I tried replacing it with a paper filter experimentally, but it hasn't done any good.

The car has not lost any performance that I can tell in recent months. As it happens I also had the car's 45,000 mile check performed since getting the tires, and it got a clean bill of health. I maintain proper inflation, and experimentally tried higher-than-recommended inflation, with no benefit to mileage. My driving pattern hasn't changed, and in fact I got some of my worst mileage while driving nothing but highways cross-country.

I have consistently used premium fuel, as recommended by Nissan. Since my mileage went down, I have had one oil change, and Mobil 1 full syn was used. No help.

WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON??? I can't come up with any explanation for the lost mileage. I can see how the Turanzas's softer sidewall might make SOME difference by adding to rolling resistance, but I've lost more than 1/4 of my mileage. I can't see any other explanation for this.

I have moved to Minnesota since getting the tires (obviously a potentially important detail), but the mileage dropoff started when I was still living in Washington State. I have spent several winters there before and never had a dropoff in mileage due to winter gas.

Any ideas or advice are more than appreciated. I don't want to be getting Excursion-type mileage when gas prices climb even higher this spring.

Cliff's Notes: 2001 Maxima lost 6+ MPG after changing tires. Car has been checked out to no avail. Seeking advice.

UPDATE 3/11: Just came back from my mechanic. The alignment and brakes are fine. Still no idea what the hell's going on. He says he's willing to keep looking, but it seems like a waste of $80/hour, when the car runs fine. Grrrrrr . . .
 

Winter gas and the extreme cold weather will cause a drop in gas mileage.
The tires could have more rolling resistance than your old ones.
 

Kalvin00

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Probably a heavier duty grade of winter blend gasoline, plus those tires=lose your mileage..

I'm sure you've checked that the tires are inflated properly?
 

iamwiz82

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Winter gas
Extra weight in the tires
Poor alignment
Spark plugs are due, if they haven't been done yet.
 
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Originally posted by: Kalvin00
Probably a heavier duty grade of winter blend gasoline, plus those tires=lose your mileage..

I'm sure you've checked that the tires are inflated properly?

I have checked tire inflation. The mileage issue started when I was still living in a warm climate, where I've never noticed any winter dropoff in mileage due to winter gas.
 

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To echo the other posters, I have had vehicles get half the milage in the winter that they do in the summer.

The winter blend fuel just sucks for gas milage. I think it's the oil companies way of screwing you because you aren't traveling as much like you do in the summer so they have to make up the extra income by creating bad milage gas.

;)
 

Gibson486

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My story....2001 Nissan Altima...only gets 17 mpg.....everything was checked, nothing wrong found. tires changed, no help.
 

njmodi

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1. Winter
2. O2 sensors might be getting lazy...
3. Are you still using Premium Fuel or the same grade as before - Winter gas is forumlated differently (at least around here - Chicago).
4. Has your driving pattern changed? More local roads, etc.?
 
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Originally posted by: njmodi
1. Winter
2. O2 sensors might be getting lazy...
3. Are you still using Premium Fuel or the same grade as before - Winter gas is forumlated differently (at least around here - Chicago).
4. Has your driving pattern changed? More local roads, etc.?

O2 sensors were checked. Still using premium. Driving pattern same.
 

njmodi

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Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Spark plugs are due, if they haven't been done yet.

The plugs might be at faulty, but they are definitely not "due" as a maintenance item - his car has platinum plugs, with 100k replacement intervals.
 

iamwiz82

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Remember that an engine will run richer while cold and it does take longer for it to warm up in the winter. It can take our car up to 3 miles on surface streets and 5 miles on the freeway to be up to full operating temperature.
 
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Originally posted by: njmodi
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Spark plugs are due, if they haven't been done yet.

The plugs might be at faulty, but they are definitely not "due" as a maintenance item - his car has platinum plugs, with 100k replacement intervals.

True dat. My mechanic checked them anyway, and they were fine.

Thanks for the suggestions, guys - keep 'em coming!
 

iamwiz82

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Originally posted by: njmodi
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Spark plugs are due, if they haven't been done yet.

The plugs might be at faulty, but they are definitely not "due" as a maintenance item - his car has platinum plugs, with 100k replacement intervals.


Sorry, that is a silly thing to believe, IMHO. I can get spark plugs for $2/plug, $12 seems like a small price to pay.
 

njmodi

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Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: njmodi
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Spark plugs are due, if they haven't been done yet.

The plugs might be at faulty, but they are definitely not "due" as a maintenance item - his car has platinum plugs, with 100k replacement intervals.


Sorry, that is a silly thing to believe, IMHO. I can get spark plugs for $2/plug, $12 seems like a small price to pay.


Show me some NGK platinums for $2 each.

 

njmodi

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Originally posted by: Kalvin00
Originally posted by: Maximus Power
A good can of octane boost to clean it out

Wasted money my amigo..

Unless you're referring to fuel injector cleaner...

Chevron Techron is what I would recommend for a good fuel system cleaner.
 

iamwiz82

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Originally posted by: njmodi
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: njmodi
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Spark plugs are due, if they haven't been done yet.

The plugs might be at faulty, but they are definitely not "due" as a maintenance item - his car has platinum plugs, with 100k replacement intervals.


Sorry, that is a silly thing to believe, IMHO. I can get spark plugs for $2/plug, $12 seems like a small price to pay.


Show me some NGK platinums for $2 each.


Why must every import driver swear by these? :confused: It is almost as dumb as quadruple fires, +84s, or, even plutonium plated. It's amazing how much money companies can make on stuff like that.
 

TheLonelyPhoenix

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All-season or winter tires will provide a good hit to your mileage.

The same goes for winter driving itself (winter gas, cold starts, etc.)
 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: njmodi
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Spark plugs are due, if they haven't been done yet.

The plugs might be at faulty, but they are definitely not "due" as a maintenance item - his car has platinum plugs, with 100k replacement intervals.


Sorry, that is a silly thing to believe, IMHO. I can get spark plugs for $2/plug, $12 seems like a small price to pay.
Not OEM platinums for a maxima, which cost $12/piece. The schedule on them is for 100k, though most people don't bother going that long, and recommend a more aggressive 60k change!
 

njmodi

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Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: njmodi
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: njmodi
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Spark plugs are due, if they haven't been done yet.

The plugs might be at faulty, but they are definitely not "due" as a maintenance item - his car has platinum plugs, with 100k replacement intervals.


Sorry, that is a silly thing to believe, IMHO. I can get spark plugs for $2/plug, $12 seems like a small price to pay.


Show me some NGK platinums for $2 each.


Why must every import driver swear by these? :confused: It is almost as dumb as quadruple fires, +84s, or, even plutonium plated. It's amazing how much money companies can make on stuff like that.

Maybe its because time and time again Maxima owners have seen driveability issues and performance drop-offs using any other plugs.

Do you have a Maxima?
 

njmodi

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: njmodi
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Spark plugs are due, if they haven't been done yet.

The plugs might be at faulty, but they are definitely not "due" as a maintenance item - his car has platinum plugs, with 100k replacement intervals.


Sorry, that is a silly thing to believe, IMHO. I can get spark plugs for $2/plug, $12 seems like a small price to pay.
Not OEM platinums for a maxima, which cost $12/piece. The schedule on them is for 100k, though most people don't bother going that long, and recommend a more aggressive 60k change!


Thanks Skoorb! BTW - how do I get my car on your Nissan Page :D.