WTH: Apple is already selling refurbished Iphone.

[Deeko]

Much higher resolution screen huh, that's completely false. The screen is larger, yes, which is what accounts for 320x480 instead of 320x240, but its not a higher (meaning, smaller pixel, greater level of detail) resolution. I don't have any of these browser problems you state, with pages not rendering properly or at all. Are you sure you're using the phone right? And the iPhone browser is far from equivalent to a desktop browser. Have you heard of two programming technologies known as flash and java? Yea, I know, they're newcomers to the web arena, I'm amazed my desktop can even render them, so we won't count that against the iPhone when we talk about the browser being desktop equivalent. If they've added this since release, I apologize for not being with the times, but last time I checked it was a no go.

And....have you used the keyboard on that thing?? I have. Its awful, awful, awful. Have I mentioned how bad it is? Ok, just making sure. Anti-productive is the best way to describe it.

I can play several gigs of mp3s with WMP on my dash. Yes, the iPod has a more powerful interface, and it certainly beats this release of WM in that area, but it still does the job, and in no way justifies the price difference. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the iPhone is a BAD product...other than the keyboard, it obviously isn't. There is just no way it is worth the price, and any level-headed consumer (meaning...not an apple/mac/ipod fanatic) will realize that.

shocksyde, are you talking to me? If so, please go back to 1st grade, learn how to read, read this thread, and then kindly delete your post because you obviously missed something I said more than once. Thanks bud.

 

[Reckoner]

Hell, even at the refurb prices Apple's making a profit. Their markup is ridiculous on the iphone.

Edit: It costs $266 for each iphone produced.

 

[nakedfrog]

I miss Gurck

 

[QueBert]

The iPhone has a 24bit screen WM's is 16bit. If we talk retail prices, which we should as contracts are only an option for people re-uping or signing a totally new one. the iPhone is no more expensive than a Treo. the 24bit screen thing makes it worth more money, it's not as pronouced as going from 8 to 16 bit, but look at a WM screen next to the iPhone for 20 minutes and see much better colors on the iPhone. For anyone who's saying it's overpriced, show me an equal device for less? No WM/Treo/Blackberry matches up period. And while sorta off topic does anyone know of a mp3 player that has a screen like the iPhone? The one I saw was 400 bucks, I'd like to have the screen without having to buy an iPhone and hack it to use as an overpriced ipod if possible

as far as my resolution thing, my Q is 2.4 inches with 320x240, the iPhone is 3.5 with 320x480. My math skills suck but it has roughly 1.1 extra inch of space and twice the horizontal resolution, how is this not higher resolution? and the browser is the same Safari you find on an OSX desktop, the WM offering isn't even a 10th of that. Safari might not be a great browser for desktops, but on a cell phone? WM will never match this, WM10 will still probably have some super limited version of IE that's better suited for special mobile versions of web pages. (shrug)

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Deeko
Much higher resolution screen huh, that's completely false. The screen is larger, yes, which is what accounts for 320x480 instead of 320x240, but its not a higher (meaning, smaller pixel, greater level of detail) resolution.

Pixel density != resolution. 320x480 is double the resolution of 320x240. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_resolution

Originally posted by: QueBertIf we talk retail prices, which we should as contracts are only an option for people re-uping or signing a totally new one.

I would venture a guess that the majority of people only get a new phone when they sign a new contract (or in my brother's case, when they break their phone... 4 times). Most people don't care that much about their phone. There are the gadget nerds and the people who have to keep up with what's trendy (Razr or iPhone or whatever), but I think those people are in the minority.

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Deeko
Much higher resolution screen huh, that's completely false. The screen is larger, yes, which is what accounts for 320x480 instead of 320x240, but its not a higher (meaning, smaller pixel, greater level of detail) resolution.

Pixel density != resolution. 320x480 is double the resolution of 320x240. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_resolution

Originally posted by: QueBertIf we talk retail prices, which we should as contracts are only an option for people re-uping or signing a totally new one.

I would venture a guess that the majority of people only get a new phone when they sign a new contract (or in my brother's case, when they break their phone... 4 times). Most people don't care that much about their phone. There are the gadget nerds and the people who have to keep up with what's trendy (Razr or iPhone or whatever), but I think those people are in the minority.

it use to be like that, but new phones are becoming more are more the in thing to buy. When RAZR's first came out Cingular had no deals on them, and I saw tons of non tech people buying them off. You'll always have the geeks buying the latest and greatest, but phones have become fashion. I mean if Tmobile releases a new Sidekick and Paris Hilton's on the commerical saying "that's hot!" a million kiddies will want it, even if they have to pay full retail.

And not all the people who bought iPhones are nerds, look at how many it sold, I don't think it's that overpriced, but it's definitely not cheap. Times are changing and I think if a phone has enough cool factor it will sell. Nobody got a deal on an iPhone but Apple managed to still sell 100,000 the first week still a minority you are right, but companies will cater to that 4% of the market who wants SLI and a 600 dollar cell phone, good business and easy money.

 

[Deeko]

I know this mugs, otherwise I was wouldn't have clarified. I was responding to the claim that the iphone's screen looked so much better and was clearly a much higher resolution. You're splitting hairs on terminology.

And I got my phone at the price I did, only 2 months into a contract (yes with an extension), so if you talk to the right people you can always get the good pricing.

Listen, I bought one of the very first color phones on the market 6 years ago or so...the Ericsson T68m, they didn't even sell them in the USA yet, I had to have an unlocked version imported from Europe. I spent $500 on that thing. Yes, it had new features other phones didn't...color screen, GPRS, bluetooth....but it was still VERY overpriced and a BIG waste of money. I can admit that, and I don't regret the purchase, because I had extra money that I wanted to waste. Why can't iPhone people just admit the same?

 

[Corbett]

LOL @ suggesting Windows Mobile is a decent OS. What a piece of garbage that OS is!

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: Corbett
LOL @ suggesting Windows Mobile is a decent OS. What a piece of garbage that OS is!

LOL!11!!11!!!

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: Deeko
I know this mugs, otherwise I was wouldn't have clarified. I was responding to the claim that the iphone's screen looked so much better and was clearly a much higher resolution. You're splitting hairs on terminology.

And I got my phone at the price I did, only 2 months into a contract (yes with an extension), so if you talk to the right people you can always get the good pricing.

Listen, I bought one of the very first color phones on the market 6 years ago or so...the Ericsson T68m, they didn't even sell them in the USA yet, I had to have an unlocked version imported from Europe. I spent $500 on that thing. Yes, it had new features other phones didn't...color screen, GPRS, bluetooth....but it was still VERY overpriced and a BIG waste of money. I can admit that, and I don't regret the purchase, because I had extra money that I wanted to waste. Why can't iPhone people just admit the same?

I said what I said about the screen because it's true, it is much higher resolution, not sure what you think but 2x the resolution and 24bit is MUCH BETTER. if twice the resolution clearly isn't much higher, I don't know what is *shrug*

 

[Raduque]

Originally posted by: Deeko
Listen, I bought one of the very first color phones on the market 6 years ago or so...the Ericsson T68m, they didn't even sell them in the USA yet, I had to have an unlocked version imported from Europe. I spent $500 on that thing. Yes, it had new features other phones didn't...color screen, GPRS, bluetooth....but it was still VERY overpriced and a BIG waste of money. I can admit that, and I don't regret the purchase, because I had extra money that I wanted to waste. Why can't iPhone people just admit the same?

iPhone people are Apple people - iPeople. They can't admit it, because they're blinded by the zealotry. I mean, look at that guy who said that the "full html" browsing on the iPhone was worth a $200 premium over his WM5 phone.... The damn thing doesn't even include GPS.

I'm going to be buying a Wing that does everything the iPhone does, with a REAL keyboard. The only thing it lacks is the Apple branding (a plus) and the silly "do everything by touching the display" (also a plus).

Oh, and it lacks a parent company that turns over customer information to the CIA without a warrant, and wants to be an RIAA/MPAA lapdog.

Originally posted by: QueBert

I said what I said about the screen because it's true, it is much higher resolution, not sure what you think but 2x the resolution and 24bit is MUCH BETTER. if twice the resolution clearly isn't much higher, I don't know what is *shrug*

It is not "much higher" resolution. 320x280 is not "much higher" then 320x240. It damn sure isn't "double". The iPhone screen only has 40 more vertical pixels. It's 89,600 pixels vs 76,800 pixels. Far cry from double (153,600, which would be somewhere between 480x320 and 512x324).

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: Raduque

Originally posted by: Deeko
Listen, I bought one of the very first color phones on the market 6 years ago or so...the Ericsson T68m, they didn't even sell them in the USA yet, I had to have an unlocked version imported from Europe. I spent $500 on that thing. Yes, it had new features other phones didn't...color screen, GPRS, bluetooth....but it was still VERY overpriced and a BIG waste of money. I can admit that, and I don't regret the purchase, because I had extra money that I wanted to waste. Why can't iPhone people just admit the same?

iPhone people are Apple people - iPeople. They can't admit it, because they're blinded by the zealotry. I mean, look at that guy who said that the "full html" browsing on the iPhone was worth a $200 premium over his WM5 phone.... The damn thing doesn't even include GPS.

I'm going to be buying a Wing that does everything the iPhone does, with a REAL keyboard. The only thing it lacks is the Apple branding (a plus) and the silly "do everything by touching the display" (also a plus).

Oh, and it lacks a parent company that turns over customer information to the CIA without a warrant, and wants to be an RIAA/MPAA lapdog.

Originally posted by: QueBert

I said what I said about the screen because it's true, it is much higher resolution, not sure what you think but 2x the resolution and 24bit is MUCH BETTER. if twice the resolution clearly isn't much higher, I don't know what is *shrug*

It is not "much higher" resolution. 320x280 is not "much higher" then 320x240. It damn sure isn't "double". The iPhone screen only has 40 more vertical pixels. It's 89,600 pixels vs 76,800 pixels. Far cry from double (153,600, which would be somewhere between 480x320 and 512x324).

$200 over my Q? the 4 gig iPhone is less than 100 bucks more, and had ummm almost 4 gigs more storage - my Q has a whopping 52 megs. Also my Q doesn't have GPS either, so not sure why it's such a big deal the iPhone doesn't. I'm NOT an Apple person, I've never owned a single Apple product in my life, I never wanted an iPod. But I see the iPhone as a cool as hell device, and sorry but a Wing can't do everything an iPhone can do, and vise versa. Have you used an iPhone? the virtual keyboard is about as easy for me to use as my Q, which is supposed to have a super uber one.

as for the resolution the iPhone is not 320x280, it's 320x480, which is double, not sure where you got your 320x280 from?

 

[Deeko]

The resolution is double, but you're not factoring that its BIGGER. Twice the pixels on a screen twice the size, while technically higher resolution, is no sharper! None! Not at all! Yes, 24bit vs 16bit does provide mildly better colors but A) barely noticable, certainly not worth the price difference as you claim and B) makes the image no clearer.

And as for the keyboard, well, that's just opinion so we can't really argue about it, but I would rather type on a T9 keypad than use that terrible touch screen querty-joke Apple has implemented.

Quit harping on how much your Q cost you. I don't know how long ago it was, if you already said it I forget and don't care to scroll back up, but paying that much for a Q now would be a huge ripoff and you'd be a fool to pay it.

 

[QueBert]

I understand that, but the screen isn't twice the size, twice the size would be 4.8 inches (at least next to my Q) it's 3.5 which is only 1.1 inches bigger. So it's less than 50% larger but twice the resolution, the screen is MUCH sharper. And I love the screen on my Q but next to an iPhone it's no contest the iPhone has a better screen, as for being worth the price different that's a person opinion that will differ from person to person, but I spent more for my Q than a Blackberry for a better screen so some of us do care about how it looks. The image is clearer, what do you think more resolution does, make images look worse? I'm done with this as we'll never agree, so I'll just agree to disagree with you. I respect your views man

calling me a fool for paying as much as I did for my Q is fine, but I didn't have any other options, I wanted a smartphone/pocketPC and this was the cheapest, there was no way I was getting any discount on any phone unless I waited 9 months - and that would have only qualified me for 1 year not 2. I could have paid close to 200 for a junky Motorola or Samsung with no features. Contracts are the only way to get a decent deal on a phone now-a-days. I had no phone so I sucked it up and paid retail.

 

[Raduque]

Originally posted by: QueBert

$200 over my Q? the 4 gig iPhone is less than 100 bucks more, and had ummm almost 4 gigs more storage - my Q has a whopping 52 megs.

Meh. That's what SD cards are for. They're also removable.

But I see the iPhone as a cool as hell device, and sorry but a Wing can't do everything an iPhone can do, and vise versa. Have you used an iPhone? the virtual keyboard is about as easy for me to use as my Q, which is supposed to have a super uber one.

I HATEHATEHATEHATEHATEHATE virtual keyboards. I've used them on bunch of touch-screen devices (mainly palm and WM devices), plus that "laser" keyboard that projects on a desk. Give me a real keyboard anyday, I LOVE tactile feedback.

Edit: And what can the iPhone do that the Wing can't? Oh, visual voicemail. La di freakin' da. I don't even HAVE voice mail.

as for the resolution the iPhone is not 320x280, it's 320x480, which is double, not sure where you got your 320x280 from?

OK, I'm wrong on that one. I thought somebody said it was 320x280.

 

[Deeko]

According to some website I found, the Q has a 166 ppi, whereas the iPhone is 160. This is based on the screen size vs the resolution - remember, the numbers you see for screen size are diagonal size, so with different aspect ratios, and the fact that its diagonal measurement not area, so a "2.5" vs "3.5" screen isn't fully telling.

But I digress...agree to disagree.

 

[Takemaru]

The iphone really has no GPS? Hmm i'm a bit more intrested now, i've always refused to use cell phones because of GPS, i won't give up my civil liberties for convienice, but i would pay up for a sweet device with no GPS, even if it is a bit overpriced. I always said i would never pay for an iphone but i guess i'm about to make a hypocrit out of myself....

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: Takemaru
The iphone really has no GPS? Hmm i'm a bit more intrested now, i've always refused to use cell phones because of GPS, i won't give up my civil liberties for convienice, but i would pay up for a sweet device with no GPS, even if it is a bit overpriced. I always said i would never pay for an iphone but i guess i'm about to make a hypocrit out of myself....

I have read it doesn't, but I know the FCC passed that regulation where all phones have to have GPS for 911 purposes.I mean my Smartphone has GPS I suppose but I can't do sh!t with it unless I add a GPS Bluetooth device. I am with you I really don't want GPS on my phone. A shame iPhones's are AT&T I'll never switch to them.

 

[bigrash]

Originally posted by: Takemaru
The iphone really has no GPS? Hmm i'm a bit more intrested now, i've always refused to use cell phones because of GPS, i won't give up my civil liberties for convienice, but i would pay up for a sweet device with no GPS, even if it is a bit overpriced. I always said i would never pay for an iphone but i guess i'm about to make a hypocrit out of myself....

The phone doesn't have any GPS software, but I'm sure that it has the GPS chip required by the FCC.