WTH am I doing wrong here?

Pacfanweb

Lifer
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Okay, I can't get more than 2.8 out of this Q6600.

Stepping B
Revision G0

EVGA 680 SLI A1
2gb Corsair ram XMS. It says 4 4 4 12 on it. 800mhz
Thermaltake Max Orb...cooling fine, haven't seen it over about 45C yet

I've gotten it into Windows (XP 32) at 2.84 and surfed awhile. Couldn't get it to boot at any higher speed, regardless of voltage setting. (went up to a bit over 1.35v)
Temp was still fine at that voltage.

Is this all it will do, or am I missing something? This is my first overclock in a long time, since the P3 days.
 

PCTC2

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What speed is your RAM running at and what is it rated for?

And what motherboard do you have?
 

Pacfanweb

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Originally posted by: PCTC2
What speed is your RAM running at and what is it rated for?

And what motherboard do you have?
Mobo is in the first post, EVGA 680 SLI A1.

Ram I did have wrong, it's 4 4 4 12 800mhz. PC 6400, I guess it's also called. I have it set for "Optimal" timings, haven't touched it. I'll boot it and see what it's running at.

And yes, I checked my temps in Bios.
 

Pacfanweb

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Okay, according to my BIOS, which I'm looking at right now, here are the memory timings:
CAS Latency: 5
tRCD: 6
tRP: 6
tRAS: 21
tRRD: 4
tRC: 25
tWR: 6
tWTR: 10
tREF: 7.8uS

Whatever all that means.
 

Pacfanweb

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Originally posted by: Slugbait
Try dropping your RAM to 533
Trying now

Edit: You mean 5 3 3 or 533mhz?

Noticed when I boot the comp. it says Memory is at like 903mhz. It's linked to the FSB.

Should I unlink them and set it manually?
 

Duvie

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Not to be mean...but the problem is the mobo and the whole line of 680 chipset....I wouldn't use one if they gave it to me free....they have just been horrible IMHO

That aside....I know they have serious fsb issues, but you should be able to get up there a bit....

IN some mobos 533 set for memory means 1:1 synch setting.....setting it to 400 would be like a 4:3 ratio...downclocking the ram in relation to the fsb set for cpu....It will have to be linked to the cpu fsb in some way but by setting the memory speed (manual) you are really only setting the ratio.

If you set 800 for memory which would be the setting for running pc6400 or 800mhz ddr2 at stock 1066fsb of the Q6600, then really you are setting a ratio of 2:3....so 903mhz ram sounds like you have the auto set and about a 301-302 fsb for about 2.72ghz
 

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Originally posted by: Duvie
Not to be mean...but the problem is the mobo and the whole line of 680 chipset....I wouldn't use one if they gave it to me free....they have just been horrible IMHO

That aside....I know they have serious fsb issues, but you should be able to get up there a bit....

IN some mobos 533 set for memory means 1:1 synch setting.....setting it to 400 would be like a 4:3 ratio...downclocking the ram in relation to the fsb set for cpu....It will have to be linked to the cpu fsb in some way but by setting the memory speed (manual) you are really only setting the ratio.

If you set 800 for memory which would be the setting for running pc6400 or 800mhz ddr2 at stock 1066fsb of the Q6600, then really you are setting a ratio of 2:3....so 903mhz ram sounds like you have the auto set and about a 301-302 fsb for about 2.72ghz
That's exactly what it's running at right now. The FSB is 1210, which I guess is technically all the cores together. And the memory is set completely to auto.

Lots of folks have this mobo and chip combo clocked way above mine. I've never had a problem with it, yet. I understand it might not be the absolute best, but I feel I should get a bit more out of it than I am currently.
 

Duvie

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the 1210 is the "quad pumped" fsb of the cpu.....

Yeah you should be able to get more out of it...I was just making my nvidia has been sucking with intel chipset rants!!!!! LOL

Manually set the ram to 533 which should synch it and run you ram at 602mhz (understock).....you could try 667 if offered in the bios...that would run a 4:5 ratio and so at 300fsb it should run you ram at 750mhz...

I say set 533 and push towards 400...at least gun for 333. At 333 your ram would run 667mhz.
 

Pacfanweb

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Great. 533 and it won't even get back to the Bios.

F-it. I'm going to reset the memory, clock it to where I had it and leave it. I guess this one is just not a good chip.
 

BonzaiDuck

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I won't get into a P***ing contest per the 680i. It has its up sides and down sides.

But, despite the gossip, I've been able to get all sorts of stable configurations with both stock and lower mulipliers.

Initially, I'll say that you've over-clocked the memory inadvertently with your settings without any voltage or latency adjustment to compensate. You're saying the memory speed exceeds 900 Mhz.

I'll promote my own approach here, which seems to have some acceptance among a few luminaries in the forums here.

Especially at first, please unload yourself of the "Megahertz Viagra Myth" -- that you abso-freakin'-tively, posi-freakin'-lutely -- have to exploit the full rated speed of the RAM kit you're using.

Also, a second point, but first when beginning to over-clock, start with a 1:1 ratio between CPU and RAM. Your CPU is rated at a quad-pumped 1,066 Mhz FSB speed. Its multiplier is 9 (stock setting), and the "CPU_FSB" or external frequency is 266 Mhz at stock or default. (And, of course, 266 is one-fourth of 1,066).

Configuring the FSB and Memory speed in the BIOS, start with the two items "Unlinked." Set the memory speed to 533 Mhz (not 800) and the FSB to 1066. You will maintain the stock latencies (tCL/CAS, tRCD, tRP, and tRAS, command-rate=2) for the time being.

My own approach is to over-clock the processor to just above its retail-box "maximum voltage = 1.35V", and tighten the memory latencies as much as humanly possible -- with hopes of running command-rate = 1T so that the memory voltage is at or below the manufacturer "warrantied maximum." If you want to push the VCORE higher for a higher over-clock setting, you will probably need to loosen the latencies from their tightest settings, but if you're just beginning with the stock latencies, their should be lots of wiggle-room.

You can move up the scale incrementally, and adjust the CPU VCORE when you encounter instability through PRIME95 testing. So, for example, you'd increase the memory by about 10 Mhz, and the FSB by 20 Mhz in these unlinked settings. Test for stability with PRIME95 for 10 or 20 minutes, then reboot, and make another incremental adjustment. If failure occurs, you would increase the VCORE, or the memory a notch.

However, since I have a 680i chipset, here's some ballpark guidelines that have a decent chance of getting you stable at a 3.0 Ghz over-clock:

VCORE = 1.32V
FSB = 1,334
RAM/Memory speed = 667

Others may differ, but my approach to the memory voltage is as follows. If the Corsair web-site shows a "maximum recommended [warrantied] voltage" for your model of DDR2-800's of 2.2V, then start with an initial fixed setting of 2.0V.

With my Crucial Ballistix, I need a voltage of 2.125V @ 3.0 GHz/1,333FSB/667DDR2. But I've also tightened my latencies below their default spec and changed the command-rate to 1T.

Does that help you?
 

Pryde

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Originally posted by: Duvie
Not to be mean...but the problem is the mobo and the whole line of 680 chipset....I wouldn't use one if they gave it to me free....they have just been horrible IMHO

That aside....I know they have serious fsb issues, but you should be able to get up there a bit....

IN some mobos 533 set for memory means 1:1 synch setting.....setting it to 400 would be like a 4:3 ratio...downclocking the ram in relation to the fsb set for cpu....It will have to be linked to the cpu fsb in some way but by setting the memory speed (manual) you are really only setting the ratio.

If you set 800 for memory which would be the setting for running pc6400 or 800mhz ddr2 at stock 1066fsb of the Q6600, then really you are setting a ratio of 2:3....so 903mhz ram sounds like you have the auto set and about a 301-302 fsb for about 2.72ghz

You obliviously dont know the 680i chipset. Ram speed and CPU FSB speed are unlinked. This allows you to OC your CPU and know that your ram inst the limiting factor and vice versa with the ram.

 

Duvie

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Originally posted by: Pryde
Originally posted by: Duvie
Not to be mean...but the problem is the mobo and the whole line of 680 chipset....I wouldn't use one if they gave it to me free....they have just been horrible IMHO

That aside....I know they have serious fsb issues, but you should be able to get up there a bit....

IN some mobos 533 set for memory means 1:1 synch setting.....setting it to 400 would be like a 4:3 ratio...downclocking the ram in relation to the fsb set for cpu....It will have to be linked to the cpu fsb in some way but by setting the memory speed (manual) you are really only setting the ratio.

If you set 800 for memory which would be the setting for running pc6400 or 800mhz ddr2 at stock 1066fsb of the Q6600, then really you are setting a ratio of 2:3....so 903mhz ram sounds like you have the auto set and about a 301-302 fsb for about 2.72ghz

You obliviously dont know the 680i chipset. Ram speed and CPU FSB speed are unlinked. This allows you to OC your CPU and know that your ram inst the limiting factor and vice versa with the ram.


I DIDNT SAY I DID.....what i was saying was based on bioses i have seen thru 6 different boards i have used with c2d and c2q's i have seen those type of settings...Basic concepts are still there.

unlinked seems like a nice feature.

Unfortunately with nice feature like that nvidia has failed to get a lot of other things right....by far the toughest boards to OC C2d's which in most instances are a sure thing n ocing....and that is sad...

The i680 have been problems from the get go...all the whining post I have seen and heard...again...I woulnd't even think of using one....
 

Pacfanweb

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Originally posted by: BonzaiDuck
I won't get into a P***ing contest per the 680i. It has its up sides and down sides.

But, despite the gossip, I've been able to get all sorts of stable configurations with both stock and lower mulipliers.

Initially, I'll say that you've over-clocked the memory inadvertently with your settings without any voltage or latency adjustment to compensate. You're saying the memory speed exceeds 900 Mhz.

I'll promote my own approach here, which seems to have some acceptance among a few luminaries in the forums here.

Especially at first, please unload yourself of the "Megahertz Viagra Myth" -- that you abso-freakin'-tively, posi-freakin'-lutely -- have to exploit the full rated speed of the RAM kit you're using.

Also, a second point, but first when beginning to over-clock, start with a 1:1 ratio between CPU and RAM. Your CPU is rated at a quad-pumped 1,066 Mhz FSB speed. Its multiplier is 9 (stock setting), and the "CPU_FSB" or external frequency is 266 Mhz at stock or default. (And, of course, 266 is one-fourth of 1,066).

Configuring the FSB and Memory speed in the BIOS, start with the two items "Unlinked." Set the memory speed to 533 Mhz (not 800) and the FSB to 1066. You will maintain the stock latencies (tCL/CAS, tRCD, tRP, and tRAS, command-rate=2) for the time being.

My own approach is to over-clock the processor to just above its retail-box "maximum voltage = 1.35V", and tighten the memory latencies as much as humanly possible -- with hopes of running command-rate = 1T so that the memory voltage is at or below the manufacturer "warrantied maximum." If you want to push the VCORE higher for a higher over-clock setting, you will probably need to loosen the latencies from their tightest settings, but if you're just beginning with the stock latencies, their should be lots of wiggle-room.

You can move up the scale incrementally, and adjust the CPU VCORE when you encounter instability through PRIME95 testing. So, for example, you'd increase the memory by about 10 Mhz, and the FSB by 20 Mhz in these unlinked settings. Test for stability with PRIME95 for 10 or 20 minutes, then reboot, and make another incremental adjustment. If failure occurs, you would increase the VCORE, or the memory a notch.

However, since I have a 680i chipset, here's some ballpark guidelines that have a decent chance of getting you stable at a 3.0 Ghz over-clock:

VCORE = 1.32V
FSB = 1,334
RAM/Memory speed = 667

Others may differ, but my approach to the memory voltage is as follows. If the Corsair web-site shows a "maximum recommended [warrantied] voltage" for your model of DDR2-800's of 2.2V, then start with an initial fixed setting of 2.0V.

With my Crucial Ballistix, I need a voltage of 2.125V @ 3.0 GHz/1,333FSB/667DDR2. But I've also tightened my latencies below their default spec and changed the command-rate to 1T.

Does that help you?
You are the man.
I'm sitting here posting at 3.0ghz just from resetting everything and using the settings you gave me. Speedfan says my core temp is 50C.

I guess I'll run some tests and see if it's stable, but it seems fine so far. Thanks a lot!

BTW, I set my RAM to 667, but I already had the timings at what they are indicated on the side of the modules, which is 4 4 4 12. Set the RAM voltage to 2.0, as you indicated.

Hmmm....wonder how high this thing will go?
 

BonzaiDuck

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That give an old retired fart a feeling of worth!!

At age 14, my buddy's father would take us fishing. He was a bag of hot air, and we were constantly barraged with stories of his WW2 army career in the South Pacific.

He told how a Sergeant who was training radio specialists made them "sensitive" to "sensitivity."

The Sarge got some conical paint-filters, painted brown nipples on the points, and affixed them to the radio knobs so the radio looked as though it had boobs.

And that's the moral of my story, per your quest to "see how far that sucker will go." [Gently . . .. gently . . . ]

PS I don't know what the latest skinny on the street is, or whether Alfredo Comparetti has produced a more up-to-date version, but don't use SpeedFan to monitor your temperatures.

For XP Pro/Home/MCE SP2, use CoreTemp.
For VISTA, use Everest Ultimate. Everest's monitoring of just about every sensor in your system will load up Core #0, but otherwise report the same temperatures as CoreTemp.
 

BonzaiDuck

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Just in case you haven't "kept up" since the ol' Pentium 3 days --

Make sure you've downloaded -- and are using PRIME95 v.25.4 or higher. It will detect how many cores you have, and run an instance for each and every one.
 

Pacfanweb

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Originally posted by: BonzaiDuck
Just in case you haven't "kept up" since the ol' Pentium 3 days --

Make sure you've downloaded -- and are using PRIME95 v.25.4 or higher. It will detect how many cores you have, and run an instance for each and every one.
Evidently I got the right one, then. It has 4 workers going.

Got Coretemp and Speedfan running side by side.

It's interesting...Coretemp says all 4 cores are about 55-56C right now, and Speedfan says they are all 43C, but Speedfan says the CPU temp is the same as CT says the cores are.