WTFBBQ? Bankrupt Detroit going ahead with $100M+ light rail and getting Fed $ for it

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  1. glenn1

    glenn1 Elite Member

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    Why in the flying fvck is Detroit being allowed to proceed with building a boondoggle like this when they can't even afford to pay police, answer 911 calls, or pay its current creditors for office supplies much less retirees? And Obama kicking in millions to help?

    Whoever decided to greenlight this deserves a swift kick in the nuts, and if the Emergency City Manager doesn't shitcan this instantly then I think the Bankruptcy judge ought to refuse their filing and let the bondholders repossess any and all city assets.


    http://www.forbes.com/sites/toyota/2013/07/23/hope-for-detroit-rail-transit-on-the-way/
     
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  2. bshole

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    Take all of the unemployed in Detroit and give them jobs patrolling our borders....
     
  3. cliftonite

    cliftonite Diamond Member

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    Did you read the article?

    All told, private businesses, nonprofits and local government entities committed $100 million to the project.

    From this source: http://www.governing.com/blogs/view/gov-detroit-streetcar-moving-forward.html

     
  4. sm625

    sm625 Diamond Member

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    3.3 miles of rail. What a frickin joke.
     
  5. glenn1

    glenn1 Elite Member

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    From the same article:

    So it's basically spending $100MM plus to do a job already being done by a handful of buses at 1/1,000th the cost. And completely unable to shift routes due to demand like a bus provides.
     
  6. cliftonite

    cliftonite Diamond Member

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    First of all the article states that it is a $137 million infrastructure project, not 500 million. It is expected to bring in $500 mill of economic development. And it costs the city 9 million dollars.
     
  7. spacejamz

    spacejamz Diamond Member

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    So where is this $9 million dollars going to come from? Is that $500 million of economic development going to help the people whose pension benefits and the bond holders who will get shafted by the bankruptcy?
     
  8. Svnla

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    That means they have to work and earn their money? You are sooooo rrrrrrrraaaaaaaacccccccciiiiiiissssssssttttt!!!!!!


    <sarcastic>

    Back to topic, I don't know if people even know the word "priority" means anymore. <shaking head>
     
  9. SagaLore

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    If it's all of them, just have them stand side by side and lock arms, that should cover the entire border.
     
  11. Pens1566

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    Oh, the rage.
     
  12. sm625

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    That will work fine until some mexican rolls one of these past the line:

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  14. Spungo

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    Bro, you're just not getting it. It's not like Detroit has a crime problem that drives away business. What they really need is light rail. The city has so much commerce and industry that the roads are gridlocked 24/7 and the buses are packed and adding more buses won't help because the gridlock prevents the buses from moving and they can't set up designated bus lanes because that would be racist because the bus driver might be white whereas the city is 90% black which means the white drivers get special lanes that black people can't use, just like those drinking fountains from the 1950s that were for whites only.

    If the feds really want to help, they should help demolish abandoned buildings. Abandoned buildings are generally bad because they often turn into meth shacks or criminal hangouts.
    (study about abandoned buildings vs crime)
    https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/publications/Abstract.aspx?id=145937
    Funding police is great, but this helps too. Abandoned buildings need to be destroyed.
     
  15. Pulsar

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    1. The poor of Detroit generally can't afford cars. Light rail and bus transportation is what gets them to and from their jobs. In some cases those buses travel to outlieing suburbs where many of them work.

    2. The feds have approved $100,000,000 for Detroit to help tear down buildings. Of course, with 40,000 buildings to tear down, it's going to take decades to do the job.
     
  16. Pulsar

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    Please go read where the $9 million isn't coming from the city revenue stream.
     
  17. Spungo

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    I can't remember which documentary it was, but one of the ones I saw about Detroit included a part where bus service was severely cut due to budget problems. Detroit has money for trains but it can't even keep buses running? Keep in mind that people use buses to connect to the train. Every day for work, I take a bus to the train station then I take the train downtown. Without a proper bus sytem, I can't take the train. Does Detroit expect people to walk through dangerous parts of town to get to the train station?

    Doing a proper job of demolition + cleanup might take decades. I'm thinking they should just knock things down so you can't go inside them. Just get one of those big wrecking balls. A couple good swings should knock the house down. Next house. Smash. Next house. Smash. The big piles of rubble would be ugly, but at least criminals can't use the rubble piles for anything.
     
  18. SheHateMe

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    And if its successful, they will expand it. The goal here is to bring people from the outlying communities into Downtown which equals $$$. If people had an easier time getting downtown without paying $12 to park, that would be great. 3.3 miles isn't that far to start, but thats just the tip of the iceberg. It will get bigger.

    They have already been working on tearing down abandoned projects and dilapidated houses in order to build much nicer family homes. My mom grew up in a project called "The Herman Gardens" and it has been closed for a few decades. Its was a HUGE swath of land that Kwame and his goons refused to demolish. Now, its gone and there are beautiful homes there.

    This is all part of an initiative to push poorer people away from the Downtown area (not actually downtown...but in the vicinity) in into a more isolated (and controllable, I guess) area.

    There are also some amazing places downtown but parking down there is so scarce and the parking authority will ticket you faster than you can snap your fingers if you decide to try and park somewhere you aren't supposed to.

    Now that Whole Foods is open, Detroit is seeing an increase in traffic into the city, but even the Whole Foods lot is packed and people can't park.

    If Detroit wants to come back, Downtown is definitely where its going to happen. Its definitely happening.

    Yes, some bus routes were cut from Detroit's bus system due to lack of funds. I don't know if I would use the word "severely" because they still have many routes that run. They either cut out routes that didn't have as many passengers or they reduced those routes. Detroit is not that big of a city, so do not think of New York or DC when talking about how people are going to get to the new trains. There are still buses that will take you Downtown and to all the major areas in Detroit. I don't think the goal with the rail is to pick up Detroiters....I believe the goal is to pick up people who don't live in Detroit.

    For a long time, people complained about not having an easier way to get to the Downtown areas. Here is the solution. Its only a 3.3 mile ride, I doubt they are going to have many stops inside the city. If they do, there are plenty of areas to put these places.

    I am not sure what you mean by people having to walk through "dangerous" areas to get on the train. I'm sure the TV told you that everywhere in Detroit is dangerous. Common sense would tell you that these places would be in much nicer areas that have the space. I can think of a few areas off the top of my head that they could put these stations. Again, they don't need that many stops for a 3 mile trip.
     
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  19. Jhhnn

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    The only way that Detroit can meet it's obligations & become a vibrant city once again is through employment & redevelopment. Light rail is part of that.

    Righties just want somebody to kick while they're down, so having Detroit stand back up would be a major blow to their Mayberry egos. It doesn't hurt their feelings one bit that Detroit has a large black population, and kicking them always feels good judging from some of the empty racist "contributions" to this thread.

    They just don't seem to have the enthusiasm for beating down the dying small towns of White America- you know, the ones with no jobs, no services, no opportunities- just old people living on SS, Medicare, disability & food stamps.

    Funny how that works.
     
  20. michal1980

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    oh yes that 130 + million dollars spent on 3 miles of track sure is going to turn Detroit around.

    yup. 3 miles of light rail. That's the missing piece.
     
  21. Jhhnn

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    It's a start in the right direction, particularly given the support from the business community.

    Funny how Righties can try to bite their own leg off when they object to something that business endorses- you know, those adorable Capitalists. I mean, Business is always right, except when they try to lift up somebody you're trying to keep down.

    What does it mean, Mr Wizard?

    It means what my previous post says it means, and posts like the one I quoted here just reinforce that.

    Congratulations, Michal, on showing us just what blind partisan bullshit can do to a person's mind.
     
  22. michal1980

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    whats the bet that this will fail?
     
  23. Jhhnn

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    Heh. And that matters how, exactly?

    The point is that legit attempts are being made, backed by the business community.

    Apparently, you desperately want it to fail to satisfy your faith in some rather emotional & empty headed ideology.

    Naysayers on the Right are always full of derision, devoid of pretty much anything else. You qualify.
     
  24. SheHateMe

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    Negative Nancys don't want to see anything positive happening in Detroit because they will have to find another city to talk shit about. Unlike some of you, there are corporations and individuals out there who have ideas on how to change things. Rather than talking about them, they are springing into action. All you folks have is your keyboard.
     
  25. woolfe9998

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    Given the economically depressed condition of Detroit and the fact that major funding for the project is coming from elsewhere, this strikes me as a good idea.