WTF? Want to get divorced in NC? Wait 2 years, even in cases of abuse

[nehalem256]

Come on now... do you really think that getting government involved in your personal affairs is winning?

Apparently the "consensus" is YES so long as you are getting government swag. And then NO when the government reminds you there are conditions for having gotten the sweet sweet government swag.

 

[Spungo]

lol

"Gee gum willickers, Jimmy Bob! If we dun make it so womenz can't get no divorce then I betcha that there divorce rate'll drop like a stone!"

They should just kill all of the women in that state. The divorce would drop to 0 because gays can't get married.
Or they could outlaw marriage but that seems so much harder than plan A.

 

[soulcougher73]

See the court case last week where the lesbian is arguing for reduced inheritance tax based on her same-sex marriage.

People want to keep the benefits of marriage(the swag as it were), but don't want to be forced to keep the responsibility.

And for added fun they throw a hypocritical fit that the government is being involved in their relationship when they demanded the government be involved in their relationship to begin with.

Really? That's all you got? You realize whatever lame brain case that was will be thrown out?

Also you can be involved in some things and not involved in others. Or only be 50% involved or something. It doesn't have to be 100% full on involvement or nothing.

 

[Munky]

IMO, there should be a 2 year waiting period BEFORE marriage. As in you get to have the ceremony, and live like a married couple, except without any legal complications in case it doesn't work out.

 

[nehalem256]

Really? That's all you got? You realize whatever lame brain case that was will be thrown out?

Also you can be involved in some things and not involved in others. Or only be 50% involved or something. It doesn't have to be 100% full on involvement or nothing.

Lame brain case?

You are the one promoting the idea of "marriage" that basically means give me all the benefits, but none of the responsibility.

Why should such a perverted institution be sanctioned be society?

 

[soulcougher73]

Lame brain case?

You are the one promoting the idea of "marriage" that basically means give me all the benefits, but none of the responsibility.

Why should such a perverted institution be sanctioned be society?

I'm assuming you we're referring to a legal case. Obviously would most likely be thrown out. Regarding the lesbian you mentioned.

What am I arguing that promotes give me benefits and no responsibility? Because I think gays should be allowed to get married and recognized by law the same as hetros?

If you want to argue about should the government be involved in marriage at all that is a whole other argument. But since they currently are we gotta work with what we have. I agree gov should get out of marriage FWIW.

 

[Phanuel]

Lame brain case?

You are the one promoting the idea of "marriage" that basically means give me all the benefits, but none of the responsibility.

Why should such a perverted institution be sanctioned be society?

What responsibility? You're way off in the deep end here with this unsupported argument.

 

[zsdersw]

Come on now... do you really think that getting government involved in your personal affairs is winning?

Compared to having unjustified bias against homosexual relationships codified in government and law, yes.. it is.

True victory would be less government involvement in everyone's personal affairs, be they hetero- or homo-sexual (or any kind of sexual) but until or unless the married heterosexual majority agree to it that's not going to happen.

I've been a strong supporter of same-sex marriage for a long time, but have also preferred (at times) the idea that the government just get out of the marriage recognizing business entirely.

I congratulate you on your victory, btw... as a lifelong atheist, liberal for 90% of my life, and someone who continues to be a very strong advocate for gay rights... I think rejoicing is understandable.

Unfortunately, I have recently been starting to think that religion (which I revile) and repressive, rigid social order including gender roles (which I also revile) are necessary to the long term survival of a civilization. Sad as that may be...

so I fear this celebration on marriage equality may just be lounging on deck chairs on the Titanic.

I reject the notion that religion and, in particular, a Leave it to Beaver attitude toward gender is required for the long-term survival of our country and our human civilization; that we cannot survive without them. If there's one thing humanity has demonstrated, in both good and bad ways, the number of things we can do that some have said we cannot greatly outnumbers the number of things we truly cannot do. Our history is littered with naysayers and critics who said "that will never happen"... only to, at some not-too-distant point in the future, find themselves completely wrong.

I'd say our survival doesn't depend on either the presence or absence of religion and "gender roles".

 

[Nebor]

Marriage is done, on it's way out as an institution. Forcing people to stay together isn't going to make healthier marriage, it's going to make some really painful situations. I suppose the upside is, it'll keep at least some people from getting married in the first place, speeding the fall of the institution of marriage.

 

[chowderhead]

NC Republicans just introduced a bill in the state House with 11 co-sponsors to declare an official state religion and state nullification of federal decisions on establishment of religions to school prayers, etc. This is the Republican party of 2013. Big government in your bedroom and personal life ....

 

[nehalem256]

Marriage is done, on it's way out as an institution. Forcing people to stay together isn't going to make healthier marriage, it's going to make some really painful situations. I suppose the upside is, it'll keep at least some people from getting married in the first place, speeding the fall of the institution of marriage.

If you allow same-sex marriage and people to get divorced on their whim marriage is already out as an institution.

What people have done is slap the name marriage on something that isn't marriage in order to get government swag, aka SwagGrabage.

 

[nehalem256]

NC Republicans just introduced a bill in the state House with 11 co-sponsors to declare an official state religion and state nullification of federal decisions on establishment of religions to school prayers, etc. This is the Republican party of 2013. Big government in your bedroom and personal life ....

The problem is if you get a state recognized marriage you DEMANDED that the state be in your bedroom.

 

[waggy]

If you allow same-sex marriage and people to get divorced on their whim marriage is already out as an institution.

it's to late. marriage is a joke to most. Same-sex marriage won't do shit to hurt it.

Though forcing a 2 year wait? yeah screw that. if its ready for divorce its ready to be done. it's not going to help.

I am amazed that it has it for even abuse. that's insane and can lead to some deaths.

in cases of abuse it needs to be fast so teh abused party can leave and start over.

 

[Fern]

Da fuck is wrong with these Republican lawmakers? They're taking NC back to the stone ages. They want to up the waiting period from one year to two years on getting a divorce.

And who's going to pay for two years of maintaing two homes, etc?

-snip-

Am having a hard wrapping my head around the concept that a quicker divorce waiting period lessens the need for two separate houses?

IMO, one year is plenty.

Looks to me like the only real impact here is that it'll now be two years before they can remarry. (I don't see clearly where is says the counseling must be extended for another year. If it does, that's an impact too.) Aside from remarrying, being legally separated is tantamount to being divorced. They can even file their taxes as single/unmarried.

Fern