WTF have you been smoking? Haven't you been watching the news? We overthrew Saddam and now occupy a country called iraq. We are creating a new government. We are making the rules. Go buy a newspaper and get a damn clue.
WTF have you been smoking? Haven't you been watching the news? We overthrew Saddam and now occupy a country called iraq. We are creating a new government. We are making the rules. Go buy a newspaper and get a damn clue.
I get so excited when the big strong Americans kill some worthless scum. Oh, man it makes my rocks explode. Do you have any idea of how much inner tension I've lived under all my life. There's competition everywhere I turn. I just want to blow my top, go crazy and kill. I just love it when I can read stuff like this. I can feel my hand on the trigger, watch the bodies pop. Oh man I'm on the winning side. It sure feels good. And it's legal too. That helps cause I wouldn't want to think I'm a disgusting little animal or anything.
sandorski
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Part of the problem is that they shouldn't be there in the first place, but they are, so now the arguement goes to how to conduct the occupation/rebuilding.
A) Protection is sniping anyone holding a gun? They know people were going to be there to sell guns, how the hell do you justify shooting from afar people who are merely loading/unloading their wares?
B) Where's the threat in this situation? These people were not even aware of the American presence, it's a leap to say the snipers were acting in self-defence when their presence was unknown.
C) Of course, so rebuild it, but don't expect people to be happy about a war tht was unnecessary in the first place.
You are quite correct, it is a lose-lose-lose, but don't turn it into a lose-lose-lose-lose-....
Zebo
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Nice story you concockted do you have anythis or something you read which validates anything you just said? Sure this is how you think it should be, but I read in stars and stripes they could have automatic weapons less than .308 cal. We allowed this so they could protect themselves from the 150.000 crimminals Saddam released and looters and general lawlessness.
Of course I think the soldiers were authorized and legal still. But not based on what you're saying which I think is what you want to believe.. Mainly the explosive charges and other ordinace which is prohibited got them killed.
"You forget this is a war, US soldiers are dying everyday because scumbags like this guy are selling weapons to everyone they see."
Wrong. US soldiers are dying every day in Iraq because Bush lied about WMD to concoct an excuse to invade.
One question. How do you think the NRA would react if US snypers started shooting US gun owners in the head for possessing firearms?
Maybe we should send Charleton Heston to Iraq to start a NRA chapter.
Wrong. US soldiers are dying every day in Iraq because Bush lied about WMD to concoct an excuse to invade.
One question. How do you think the NRA would react if US snypers started shooting US gun owners in the head for possessing firearms?
Maybe we should send Charleton Heston to Iraq to start a NRA chapter.
You want to write letters home because we lost 6 guys raiding this market place? I don't. We took care of what needed to be done, safely. There is nothing more to it. When we were fighting the iraqi army, we had overwhelming numbers, technically we could have just swooped in and taken them all prisoner, but we would have lost thousands, do things the safe way, not some crazy cow boy way.
If the Iraqis didn't have all those guns at home their government might seize power and they could get some terrible dictator like they got in...in.... in Syria.
CaptnKirk
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This is like the CowBoy days of yore . . Wild West Shoot-em-up's, New Sheriff's in town boys.
Bad Guys at the O.K. Corrall. Everyone is armed and most are trigger happy . . or scared.
Dubya feels right at home - on stage in a Ronnie Reagan Western Picture Show.
Can't you just see the white hats and the black turbans.
Bad Guys at the O.K. Corrall. Everyone is armed and most are trigger happy . . or scared.
Dubya feels right at home - on stage in a Ronnie Reagan Western Picture Show.
Can't you just see the white hats and the black turbans.
DaiShan
This conclusion of yours is one twisted piece of logic.
Swooping in and invading is exactly what we did in Iraq. For apparently no reason. That was the "crazy cowboy way."
We're supposedly there to "liberate" Iraqis (since it is painfully obvious there is no WMD in Iraq and you neo-con supporters were simply lied to). Not "take care of what needed to be done" which according to you and the Bush administration is shoot Iraqis in a market place in the head from long distance.
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You guys simply have no respect for American lives. You are bitter about us being in Iraq and in turn you want as much American soldiers' blood on GWB's hands so you can say "I told you so!"
How childish.
Zebo: As I quoted above, Lt. Col. Russell stated that any "unauthorized" Iraqi with a weapon is no longer a civilian but a combatant.
That had to be the dumbest thing you've ever said, and trust me, you've said some dumb things.
1.) The sale of AK-47s or any other assualt rifle is illegal in the UNited States. so the NRA wouldnt be able to say anything if that ever did occur.
2.) You would never buy guns from someone who lays them out on a tarp in the middle of Main St. would you?
3.) In the United States u are required to register firearms. Same principal in Iraq. That is why you have to be "authorized. The US military wants to keep a record of who has these firearms and who doesnt.
I dont understand why you people are against the idea of cutting off the enemy's supply routes. This is the #1 rule in war. If killing two arms dealers is what it takes, I say good job, tip your cap to the 4th Infantry division for taking weapons out of the enemies hands.
Oh wait I just got Deja Vu!!
...No Admiral, you cannot mine the Hanoi Harbor... Yes I know it will stop the hundreds of cargo ships bringing weapons into North Vietnam, but it would just be bad if one of those poor ships just happen to sink, plus this will make it fair fight...
...No General, your men are not to attack unmanned SAM sites under construction. We dont want to kill any Russians who are aiding our enemy. Besides, this will give our pilots more practice...
Please.
How childish.
Zebo: As I quoted above, Lt. Col. Russell stated that any "unauthorized" Iraqi with a weapon is no longer a civilian but a combatant.
That had to be the dumbest thing you've ever said, and trust me, you've said some dumb things.
1.) The sale of AK-47s or any other assualt rifle is illegal in the UNited States. so the NRA wouldnt be able to say anything if that ever did occur.
2.) You would never buy guns from someone who lays them out on a tarp in the middle of Main St. would you?
3.) In the United States u are required to register firearms. Same principal in Iraq. That is why you have to be "authorized. The US military wants to keep a record of who has these firearms and who doesnt.
I dont understand why you people are against the idea of cutting off the enemy's supply routes. This is the #1 rule in war. If killing two arms dealers is what it takes, I say good job, tip your cap to the 4th Infantry division for taking weapons out of the enemies hands.
Oh wait I just got Deja Vu!!
...No Admiral, you cannot mine the Hanoi Harbor... Yes I know it will stop the hundreds of cargo ships bringing weapons into North Vietnam, but it would just be bad if one of those poor ships just happen to sink, plus this will make it fair fight...
...No General, your men are not to attack unmanned SAM sites under construction. We dont want to kill any Russians who are aiding our enemy. Besides, this will give our pilots more practice...
Please.
Oh, call the Pentagon. Iraq is going to attack Pearl Harbor.
Iraq couldn't attack Iran. Or invade Kuwait. They couldn't fight the Kurds. You're better than the comedy channel.
As for the rest of your ludicrous argument the comparison with American law would lead to the conclusion that it is OK to shoot people in the head from long distance while in a market place for violating gun laws. Now, that's democracy.
And PS - it's nobodys goddamned business where I buy my guns.
"Keep and bear arms."
From my cold dead hands you commie pinko.
"Keep and bear arms."
From my cold dead hands you commie pinko.
BOBDN.
You are quick to forget that there is no democracy in Iraq yet. A point you people love to make so often.
It is a war zone and any combatant holding a weapon is a viable target for US soldiers. What happened in that market place is no different than if they were in Iraqi Army uniforms doing that in the open desert.
Martial Law is enforced in every city in Iraq. Rules were established, rules were broken, lives were lost. Welcome to war.
You are quick to forget that there is no democracy in Iraq yet. A point you people love to make so often.
It is a war zone and any combatant holding a weapon is a viable target for US soldiers. What happened in that market place is no different than if they were in Iraqi Army uniforms doing that in the open desert.
Martial Law is enforced in every city in Iraq. Rules were established, rules were broken, lives were lost. Welcome to war.
Zebo
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And you're a total fool. I have at least six personel friends who have kids in country, on the gound. Captain ^ has a boy on the ground there. We critize for the exact opposite reason.. We don't want them there. The situation is out of control dispite what you hear. Further deaconican measures will only make more recuits signing up to kill americans. I thought you were reasonable person before but now I not so sure.
Face facts: about who deos'nt care about soldiers
- GWB exagerated maybe even lied to get us in (this is crimminal in my mind)
- Force too small once he did which exposed troops and iraqis to more harm
- Command has not used all means to be seen as liberators, instead all reports say we are very rough on Iraqis
- There are reports that DU is plenty harmful in the qualtities we depolyed/used which may be hurting our troops
- Leave is not going to happen for a long time
- No elections which is pissing Iraqis off
IMO if you're going to do a job do it right..
You tell me why are we there agian? This is Johnson all over again.
Don't welcome me to war. It's not my goddamn war. And he's not my president. You go if you want to.
We are supposedly trying to gain the trust and build confidence between the US and the Iraqis we just invaded and occupied. Shooting them in the head is one way to get them to cooperate. It may have deleterious effects on their trust and confidence. Or more specifically the trust and confidence of the Iraqis they leave behind.
Bush lied to invade Iraq and now we're over there shooting people in the head at the market place from long distance. Bush said major hostilities ended on May 1. Iraqis and Americans are dying every day. Sounds like the democracy isn't getting off to a good start. Maybe we can take a page from Israel someday and start using their tactics while we "liberate" the Iraqis.
For God's sake, they were better off with Hussein than Bush.
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Dont talk to me about having friends on the ground there. My Dad is there for Christ's sake.
The situation is not out of control.
I dont know what "under-control" is to you cause you've obviously never been in a hostile territory, but order for the most part is being maintained and total anarchy has so far been avoided.
Not bad for combat troops trained to fight well-equipped armies in the open desert.
These aren't federal laws. Gun laws are state controlled apart from automatic weapons and explosives.
Here in Kentucky, 3 is invalid. You don't have to register any firearms. The closest you have to come is acquiring a CCWP if you plan on carrying concealed, but even then you aren't required to register your weapons. And 2 happens all the time. It isn't unusual at all to go to a flea market here and find someone selling guns, perfectly legally, so long as they aren't stolen weapons. Don't be too presumptuous.
As for the sniping, oh well. The soldiers are doing what they feel they have to, which is fine. What isn't fine is that they are in a situation where they feel that is necessary.
We're there because our Commander in Chief ordered us to go there.
THAT IS WHY WE ARE THERE. There is nothing you, Zebo, or anyone else can say to change that. We are there and we're going to be staying for the better part of a decade probably.
You are criticizing, US troops for doing their job when your real beef is with the policy makers who sent them there.
I ahve no problem with you bashing the sh1t out GWB or his administration. And to tell you the truth, I voted for gore. But when you start taking that frustration out on people like my Dad and Zebo's friends that are on the ground, following orders, that just pisses me off.
GWB sent 250,000 troops to Iraq. Deal with it. Let them do their job. The quicker they can establish order the quicker they come home. So dont spend your days flaming soldiers who are protecting themselves, Iraqi civilians, and your way of life, spend them constructively campaigning against Bush for 2004.
THAT IS WHY WE ARE THERE. There is nothing you, Zebo, or anyone else can say to change that. We are there and we're going to be staying for the better part of a decade probably.
You are criticizing, US troops for doing their job when your real beef is with the policy makers who sent them there.
I ahve no problem with you bashing the sh1t out GWB or his administration. And to tell you the truth, I voted for gore. But when you start taking that frustration out on people like my Dad and Zebo's friends that are on the ground, following orders, that just pisses me off.
GWB sent 250,000 troops to Iraq. Deal with it. Let them do their job. The quicker they can establish order the quicker they come home. So dont spend your days flaming soldiers who are protecting themselves, Iraqi civilians, and your way of life, spend them constructively campaigning against Bush for 2004.
I guess gun sales are gonna move indoors. I frankly don't see how this is much a barrier to any resistance elements wanting to buy guns.
I'm not even going to try to reason with you. You made the argument for me yourself. He sent them there. On lies. Deal with it. Impeach the scum.
To suggest anyone here is critizing our troops for doing their job is a cheap attempt to equate supporting Bush with supporting our troops. Bush lied to put them there. Bring them home. Impeach Bush.
What the hell did they teach you about democracy in school? He's not King George. We defeated him 226 years ago.
Bush can't just do what he wants to and we ignore it. If that's your idea of freedom why do you support "regime change" in Iraq? It's the same thing Hussein was doing. Bringing them King George II isn't any "regime change."
Zebo
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Matt who's flaming/blaming soldiers? I've only blamed command (which means Pres, rummy, and a few generals), they are in a situation created by lies, underfunded, overworked, liviing in tents 120C in shade etc etc etc I understand mistakes can be made and would never hold them accountable. Good Kids in a bad situation.
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