WTF Sony?! Why would anyone buy this for 400 bucks?

[Deeko]

I see you dodged the "hitler comparison" by going with his less-popular ugly stepsister, Stalin. Nice work. Ok, Sony obviously made the mistake of enraging the nerd community with their rootkit scandal. Other than that....its just become the "cool thing to do" to hate them if you're a nerd. Hence my usage of the term "geek-cool". I'm not the one who needs to "provide a reason", I'm not the one hating everything a huge company says or does regardless of what it is.

There's definitely a market for devices like that, just not for $400.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: Deeko
I see you dodged the "hitler comparison" by going with his less-popular ugly stepsister, Stalin. Nice work. Ok, Sony obviously made the mistake of enraging the nerd community with their rootkit scandal. Other than that....its just become the "cool thing to do" to hate them if you're a nerd. Hence my usage of the term "geek-cool". I'm not the one who needs to "provide a reason", I'm not the one hating everything a huge company says or does regardless of what it is.

There's definitely a market for devices like that, just not for $400.

Really, if it gives you this much wood I suggest you go out, buy one and violate all of it's filthy wanton little slots till your tool falls off.

Wii + old lady with photo card(SD only, of course) = same thing.

 

[Tobolo]

Sony is a crutch for those less skilled!

 

[sdifox]

Bose sells like hotcake and you are complaining about Sony?

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Deeko
I see you dodged the "hitler comparison" by going with his less-popular ugly stepsister, Stalin. Nice work. Ok, Sony obviously made the mistake of enraging the nerd community with their rootkit scandal. Other than that....its just become the "cool thing to do" to hate them if you're a nerd. Hence my usage of the term "geek-cool". I'm not the one who needs to "provide a reason", I'm not the one hating everything a huge company says or does regardless of what it is.

There's definitely a market for devices like that, just not for $400.

You really think the rootkit is the only reason people here don't like Sony? :laugh: That's like saying the Wave Radio is the only reason people here don't like Bose. And Monster power strips are the only reason people don't like Monster.

The rootkit is just a drop in the bucket.

 

[Deeko]

The rootkit is the only legitimate reason to dislike the COMPANY, not their products. Not liking Sony because you think HD-DVD is better than blu-ray, or because you like Halo better than Resistance, that's a different ballgame.

DivideBYZero, you're wrong, and that's that. I don't really care about this issue enough to keep arguing with you, and its not getting through your thick skull anyway. Hate on! I heard a Sony exec is responsible for our inability to cure cancer, and they have an ongoing company initiative to beat up puppies.

 

[Miramonti]

Sony doesn't have to know the customer...they simply create them.

This is a primer product for their Professional version due out in another year, where it will have video storage capability too for only $600. Yup, for only $200 more you can store your video with your photos! Freakin GENIUS, everyone will want one. :laugh:

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: Deeko
The rootkit is the only legitimate reason to dislike the COMPANY, not their products. Not liking Sony because you think HD-DVD is better than blu-ray, or because you like Halo better than Resistance, that's a different ballgame.

DivideBYZero, you're wrong, and that's that. I don't really care about this issue enough to keep arguing with you, and its not getting through your thick skull anyway. Hate on! I heard a Sony exec is responsible for our inability to cure cancer, and they have an ongoing company initiative to beat up puppies.

Sony also calls fair use "stealing"

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Deeko
The rootkit is the only legitimate reason to dislike the COMPANY, not their products. Not liking Sony because you think HD-DVD is better than blu-ray, or because you like Halo better than Resistance, that's a different ballgame.

DivideBYZero, you're wrong, and that's that. I don't really care about this issue enough to keep arguing with you, and its not getting through your thick skull anyway. Hate on! I heard a Sony exec is responsible for our inability to cure cancer, and they have an ongoing company initiative to beat up puppies.

the rootkit is just one reason.


there are many reasons that people dislike them. mine is that they have been trying to kill fair use and the rootkit.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Deeko
The rootkit is the only legitimate reason to dislike the COMPANY, not their products. Not liking Sony because you think HD-DVD is better than blu-ray, or because you like Halo better than Resistance, that's a different ballgame.

DivideBYZero, you're wrong, and that's that. I don't really care about this issue enough to keep arguing with you, and its not getting through your thick skull anyway. Hate on! I heard a Sony exec is responsible for our inability to cure cancer, and they have an ongoing company initiative to beat up puppies.

How about the fact that they use their reputation for quality to make shitty products and charge a premium for them? That's why I picked Bose and Monster, although they actually make GOOD products and charge premium prices for them.

Upside-down PS1?
Ps2 disc read error?
Spontaneously combusting laptop batteries?
If you Google "C 13:00" you'll find that it was a very common problem that affected at least a half dozen models of Sony DVD players, it was caused by a design flaw that was discovered by users, and Sony didn't really care since the DVD players all died outside of the warranty period (usually 18-24 months depending on how heavily the player was used - my $300 DVD player died after 14 months).
My wife had a $1500 Sony Vaio laptop that is also the victim of a very common problem, again it was a design flaw, and again it died outside of the warranty period. It still works sometimes, but only if you put pressure on a particular spot on the bottom of it with your knee. Awesome laptop.

It is not blind hatred that caused me to stop buying Sony's consumer electronics. It's the fact that they are SHIT. The only Sony products I buy anymore are their video games/systems and movies.

Supposedly they make some good TVs, but there are enough other companies that make good TVs that I don't have to bother with Sony.

 

[MagicConch]

It amazes me how much this company gets vilified and lied about, I hope at least some are not drones to this viral marketing. When they get a read error on ps2 it's slammed but it's okay for the massive failure on the xbox 360. How many people have one of those unreliable things and sing its praises and whine about a crash on their ps3? the level of BS online this company has to deal on a regular basis bc of the easy mass hypnosis of the public is truly amazing. I feel so sorry for them sometimes. when they make something revolutionary it's pathetically attempted to be written off like OLED, SXRD. There is no one else that comes close to either. Only on avsforum are these weak, bs slams non-existant. Go there (where people actually review the products only and not are mindless drones to internet marketing) to see the reviews on their rptvs, lcds, dvd, blu-ray and you'll see most of the whining is complete and total shit

 

[secretanchitman]

rather get the 60GB ps3 than the 40GB ps3...

but yes, this is for a niche market, of course most people wont buy it, but people who want/need it will get it.

 

[kami333]

I have a friend with a digital camera who doesn't have a computer and doesn't want one. It'll be perfect for him.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: Deeko
The rootkit is the only legitimate reason to dislike the COMPANY, not their products. Not liking Sony because you think HD-DVD is better than blu-ray, or because you like Halo better than Resistance, that's a different ballgame.

DivideBYZero, you're wrong, and that's that. I don't really care about this issue enough to keep arguing with you, and its not getting through your thick skull anyway. Hate on! I heard a Sony exec is responsible for our inability to cure cancer, and they have an ongoing company initiative to beat up puppies.

Yeah, I'm sorry. My thick skull cannot comprehend spending $400 on something that does little more that you can with a $90 digital camera, or a $250 games console. My bad. :roll:

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: Deeko
You can store 80GB on a frickin Wii? Impressive what they do with 512MB flash drives these days.

Nice attempt, but you're loaded with fail.

What does this thing do again? Show pictures to music. The storage medium is irrelevant as you put you're xGb SD card in the slot and watch the pics on your Wii for $150 less. WIN!

By that logic, why don't we just make the jump to the $100 laptop? That's $300 less. Or hell, a better example:

Free computer out of dumpster can do this! Lololololol

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Deeko
The rootkit is the only legitimate reason to dislike the COMPANY, not their products. Not liking Sony because you think HD-DVD is better than blu-ray, or because you like Halo better than Resistance, that's a different ballgame.

DivideBYZero, you're wrong, and that's that. I don't really care about this issue enough to keep arguing with you, and its not getting through your thick skull anyway. Hate on! I heard a Sony exec is responsible for our inability to cure cancer, and they have an ongoing company initiative to beat up puppies.

How about the fact that they use their reputation for quality to make shitty products and charge a premium for them? That's why I picked Bose and Monster, although they actually make GOOD products and charge premium prices for them.

Upside-down PS1?
Ps2 disc read error?
Spontaneously combusting laptop batteries?
If you Google "C 13:00" you'll find that it was a very common problem that affected at least a half dozen models of Sony DVD players, it was caused by a design flaw that was discovered by users, and Sony didn't really care since the DVD players all died outside of the warranty period (usually 18-24 months depending on how heavily the player was used - my $300 DVD player died after 14 months).
My wife had a $1500 Sony Vaio laptop that is also the victim of a very common problem, again it was a design flaw, and again it died outside of the warranty period. It still works sometimes, but only if you put pressure on a particular spot on the bottom of it with your knee. Awesome laptop.

It is not blind hatred that caused me to stop buying Sony's consumer electronics. It's the fact that they are SHIT. The only Sony products I buy anymore are their video games/systems and movies.

Supposedly they make some good TVs, but there are enough other companies that make good TVs that I don't have to bother with Sony.

yup the company is the RIAA/MPAA rolled into one. and they certainly act like it. they've spent their entire existence pushing proprietary formats and other nonsense. never mind the massive marketing lies they've told through the years about their consoles. sure many companies are shady, but sony really takes the cake on this one. i'd rather not give them a dime. its not about a product failure here or there, its about the entire anti consumer mentality their company is based on.

 

[QueBert]

I work for Sony repairing Laptops, my section strictly does the SZ models, which are the high end ones. They are HUGE POS's, and the number we get back is truely astounding. I would expect a lappy that costs close to $4,000 would hold up better. Sony has more than it's share of problems, yes some people are extreme in their dislike for the company and make shit up to make Sony out to be worse than they are. But on the other end you have the people who tout their products as "wooooo bad ass!"

I wouldn't touch one of their lappy's with a 10 foot poll. Their high end shit is weak, slow 5400 RPM hd's (don't think you can even get 7200 upgrades) crappy video, and if your 15" LCD dies expect to get estimate close to $700 bucks if you want us to fix it. Last week I fixed an older SZ model, the estimate for new LCD and new DVD drive (rom not burner) was $688, you could get a brand new entry level one, which would be faster, have more memory + Vista for $500-600'ish.

SONY is overrated...

 

[slayer202]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Yeah, I'm sorry. My thick skull cannot comprehend spending $400 on something that does little more that you can with a $90 digital camera, or a $250 games console. My bad. :roll:

yeah, because everyone would think, and want to buy a wii for this, even though there are less options and much harder to use for a non-technical person.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

I'd like to make a stupid remark but I might get bitched at by some whiny pricks on this board because they'd rather me argue about price points and SKUs as it adds much to the discourse.

Originally posted by: slayer202

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Yeah, I'm sorry. My thick skull cannot comprehend spending $400 on something that does little more that you can with a $90 digital camera, or a $250 games console. My bad. :roll:

yeah, because everyone would think, and want to buy a wii for this, even though there are less options and much harder to use for a non-technical person.

NO! that doesn't make any sense...you make it sound like there are people there who value time and convenience more than money.

in anycase, this is interesting for a small niche market and i think it'll sell once its cheaper.

 

[Eeezee]

All of this talk of Sony products having up to a 5% failure rate, yet the Xbox 360 has a failure rate over 30% and that's okay for Microsoft?

People's hatred of Sony really is just fanboyism over 80% of the time and it's pathetic. If you don't like them, you don't have to buy their products. You're a huge hypocrite if you point at laptop failure rates and own an Xbox 360.

On that note, Sony products suck most of the time. Their TVs are outstanding, and the PS2 is one of the greatest gaming consoles of all time. I don't buy other sony products; exploding laptops aren't cool.

$500 is still too damn expensive for a console that has no good games. That doesn't mean I hate Sony, though. I'm smart enough (unlike most people here) to realize that Sony is made up of numerous smaller divisions that don't have anything to do with each other. Hating, say, their gaming division or weird photo collection cube division because a different group of people make bad laptops is pure ignorance.

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: MagicConch
It amazes me how much this company gets vilified and lied about, I hope at least some are not drones to this viral marketing. When they get a read error on ps2 it's slammed but it's okay for the massive failure on the xbox 360. How many people have one of those unreliable things and sing its praises and whine about a crash on their ps3? the level of BS online this company has to deal on a regular basis bc of the easy mass hypnosis of the public is truly amazing. I feel so sorry for them sometimes. when they make something revolutionary it's pathetically attempted to be written off like OLED, SXRD. There is no one else that comes close to either. Only on avsforum are these weak, bs slams non-existant. Go there (where people actually review the products only and not are mindless drones to internet marketing) to see the reviews on their rptvs, lcds, dvd, blu-ray and you'll see most of the whining is complete and total shit

"Microsoft sucks too" is not a legitimate counter argument against people hating sony because of its abuse of its customer base. And I find it ludecrous that you will say that people are singing undeserved praise for MS and hating sony... MS is the most hated company EVER. (not the worst ever, just the most hated...)

Sony HATES you. They want you to suffer. They will do businessly unsound things that will loose them money and hurt consumers (almost as if its just because it hurts consumers)... Check this thread:
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=38&threadid=2108704

1.There was the root kit.
2.There is their insistence of suing and calling fair use stealing. (sony is suing companies because they claim software that allows a person to convert a CD to MP3 is stealing... and it is EXACTLY what their software allows you to do...)
3.They outright said they are working towards a future where you have to repurchase songs for every different medium, at every different quality, and then pay to play it.
4.They consistently make products with serious design flaws which they DO NOT FIX. And the customer is left with a crappy nonworking product.
5.They sue companies to death for importing their Japanese products... (those are people who probably want to buy TWO copies of their products, one to play their english games. and one to play non dubbed japanese games)

People already mentioned the messed up PS1 and PS2 that left customers hanging because of a known flaw they will not fix... but you can count those as 6 and 7...

The only thing I DON'T hold against them is the exploding batteries... because they actually recalled them... although I somehow have a feeling that they were forced to do it and probably pulled some of their trademarked shittiness before doing it.


PS. before some of you call me an MS fanboy... I am NOT going to buy an Xbox... and MS sucks too... but it is not as abusive as sony. So stop making comparisons... someone else sucking doesn't make sony suck any less!

 

[daveymark]

that's 3 hooker's worth. no thanks

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: slayer202

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Yeah, I'm sorry. My thick skull cannot comprehend spending $400 on something that does little more that you can with a $90 digital camera, or a $250 games console. My bad. :roll:

yeah, because everyone would think, and want to buy a wii for this, even though there are less options and much harder to use for a non-technical person.

Scene #1: Attach TV cable to cam, turn cam to TV mode, watch slide show.

Scene #2: Insert SD card, choose photo channel, watch slide show.

Yeah. you're right, both are beyond anyones capability(unless you're a EE grad or a Brain surgeon) and this new Sony unit will be so much easier.

 

[taltamir]

For this price, buy a computer + wireless keyboard and mouse and attach it directly to the TV. There you have it... a single unified storage for all your photos, that can also play them as a slide show...